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Your ideal spurs team at the end of August...

SpurSince57

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I got a feeling Ramos is building towards a 3-5-2 system and think this would work quite nicely:

GK - Robbo - i would love nothing more than him to return to form.

CB - King
CB - Woody
CB - Hudd - his range of passing is very useful and with King and Woody alongside him, he can be creative...

LWB - Bale
RWB - Hutton

DM - Poulsen
CM - Jenas
AM - Lennon

STR - Keane
STR - Berba

I don't think were too far from having a very good team as it is.....

Not that I'd rule anything out where Ramos is concerned, but I'm pretty sure that Sevilla were playing a 3-5-2 when he took over and that he promptly switched to 4-4-2, as you would.
 

Bulletspur

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Some truly bizarre keeper selections. Kuszak? Isaksson? Sorensen? And did my old eyes deceive me when I saw Foster described as an unlikely and cheap English option?

Apparently not.

Are people opting for Stekelenburg because he's been 'linked' with us, or have they been religiously following Ajax on Setanta?

Shared sentiments. I thought this Foster was one I hadn't heard about, I could not believe it was that Manu reject who played for Watford last season. Even Robbo scored against him.:rofl:

What has Cerny done wrong? :shrug:
 

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Not that I'd rule anything out where Ramos is concerned, but I'm pretty sure that Sevilla were playing a 3-5-2 when he took over and that he promptly switched to 4-4-2, as you would.

To be honest im not a fan of the 3-5-2 system (as England proved, it can be difficult to use effecttively) however i can't help but think that both Bale and Hutton are attacking full backs and in this system would have more freedom. Also it gets Hudd in the team and whilst i think he is great....he will never be the solution to our defensive midfield problems.....
 

milkman

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Seems like it will be Amelia replacing Robinson, so I change my team at the end of August.
 

tRiKS

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No many available GK's seem much if an improvement on Cerny or even Robbo most of the time. Of the least unrealistic (it makes sense to me!!) i like Foster the most in terms of the age v talent equasion. The Cech's of this world I'm not going to let infest my mind.

When you see JJ and TT and then JJ and Hud play so well agsint A5ena1 and UTD it's hard to concentrate on CM replacements... especailly the one that are available.

I don't know what others definitions of Unavailable are, but mine are;

Any regular to semi-regular player in a CL team in England, Spain or Italy... I would then add; those reg to semi-reg players in a few select CL clubs in the other, weaker leagues. such as AJAX, MUNICH, PORTO.

Of the rest of the best players in teams not at those clubs, but who are being seriously courted by those clubs, therefore can also come into the "unavailable to SPurs" category.

The rest of the players outside CL or at CL teams but not getting enough football are the ones available to Spurs and of them only a tiny few (if any) you look at and think they could do a better job than Jenas etc... espcially if you take his last few performances against some of the best CM's around as a measure

Realistically therefore, I think Scott Brown and Aidey McGeedy could improve the squad. Realistically i think Bentley could. Dare I say Lescott and Arteta?!? players like that but even they would be tough.

I'm rambling

bye

a diddy :rofl:
 

SpurSince57

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Shared sentiments. I thought this Foster was one I hadn't heard about, I could not believe it was that Manu reject who played for Watford last season. Even Robbo scored against him.:rofl:

What has Cerny done wrong? :shrug:

I don't think Cerny's done too much wrong at all, but it seems as if we aren't going to extend his contract. And if Robinson could be more decisive coming off his line and improved his ball-handling there wouldn't be a problem either.

I just think keepers are the most difficult players of all to judge. Eintracht's back-up had the most unbelievable game against Bayern a few weeks back, but you wouldn't rush out and sign a keeper on the strength of one amazing performance. At least, I hope you wouldn't.

You only have to look at the string of idiots SAF signed when he was trying to replace Schmeichel. And you also have to look at the defence as a whole. We haven't cut down the goals against simply because Cerny's replaced Robbo, it's been weeks of hard work that finally seem to be paying off, touch wood. Having a top-drawer keeper in will not in itself compensate for poor defending in front of him. Sure, it will make some difference, but not that much.

Sensible suggestions seem to be:

Amelia
Wiese
Neuer
Stekelenburg
Ustari
Kameni

None of whom I've seen enough of to judge (in fact I haven't seen Amelia at all). But for Cameroon at least, Kameni's looked worryingly casual at times around the box and with some of his clearances.
 

yanno

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Sensible suggestions seem to be:

Amelia
Wiese
Neuer
Stekelenburg
Ustari
Kameni

None of whom I've seen enough of to judge (in fact I haven't seen Amelia at all). But for Cameroon at least, Kameni's looked worryingly casual at times around the box and with some of his clearances.

I agree with your comments about how difficult it is to judge goalkeepers, and get them playing consistently well week in week out. As you say, Ferguson had huge difficulties replacing Schmeichel, and I'd add that Wenger has also had problems with his keepers.

The reason I plumped for Kameni as one of my potential new GKs is that he has incredible natural ability. But he also makes howlers, and does look casual at times. It could be the David James syndrome. James is the most naturally talented English keeper but that means he often tries to do too much (eg come for crosses he really should leave alone). He's also so confident in his own ability that he sometimes seems to be thinking of where to throw the ball before he's saved the shot - with predictably disastrous consequences.

When you hear him speak, James is clearly an intelligent and thoughtful guy. And whilst he does seem to have cut some mistakes out as he's matured, he still makes the occasional howler.

I suppose the opposite of going for a goalkeeper with great natural ability (such as Kameni or James), is going for an unspectacular but very consistent keeper - which is what Benitez has done with Reina. A solid keeper, with leadership ability (ie bossing his CBs about) like van der Sar or Friedel, seems to be as good as it currently gets.
 

Bonjour

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Newcastle would be silly to sell Given.

If it weren't for him they'd be near the relegation zone.
 

Blotto

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Sometimes its hard to imagine what people expect of a "quality" GK--a clean sheet every game? Thousands of acrobatic saves and racking up assists with his distribution? I should think that Cerny is well on his way to earning a contract extension. Cerny is strikingly competent, which is a significant improvement over what we had before...
 

milkman

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Sometimes its hard to imagine what people expect of a "quality" GK--a clean sheet every game? Thousands of acrobatic saves and racking up assists with his distribution? I should think that Cerny is well on his way to earning a contract extension. Cerny is strikingly competent, which is a significant improvement over what we had before...

clean sheets.. depends on how good the defence is on the keepers team...
 

Bonjour

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You know, Robinson made a fair number of acrobatic saves and racked up a good amount of assists with throws and even got on the score-sheet last season.

Shame about the clean sheets part, but to say the defense in front of him was shaky would be an understatement..
 

walworthyid

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How many players do we have that it is unrealistic to think we can currently improve upon?

Hutton King Woody Bale/Gilberto

Lennon JJ Bale

Berbo

That isn't bad when you think that behind them we have Keano, Hudd, Steed, O'hara. Chimbo, Lee, Kaboul, Bent.

I would say that at the most we need a top quality central midfield player but apart from that we are pretty much there. Ramos has shown that it is about the team collectively doing their jobs rather than having great players in all positions.
 

gavspur

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Newcastle would be silly to sell Given.

If it weren't for him they'd be near the relegation zone.

I spend a fair amount of time per year in Newcastle, visiting my girlfriends family, and when they asked me who i'd take out of their team (cos they think they're better than Spurs!!), I only said Given 100%.....Their reaction was to pay us to take him!!! I cant understand that, none of them like him!! Madness, it must be all that Newcy Brown Ale and freezing weather thats got to them..
 

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Evolution

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I spend a fair amount of time per year in Newcastle, visiting my girlfriends family, and when they asked me who i'd take out of their team (cos they think they're better than Spurs!!), I only said Given 100%.....Their reaction was to pay us to take him!!! I cant understand that

Me neither, they would be in deep s**t without given Eek
 

SpurSince57

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Odd, isn't it? He's always seemed very solid to me, but if you watch a team week in week out you have a different perspective. My brother-in-law and his two lads are City ST holders and think Isaksson's pants, but people on here are recommending him.

My guess is that if we do go for someone new it will be a younger player, no older than Robbo.
 

milkman

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Odd, isn't it? He's always seemed very solid to me, but if you watch a team week in week out you have a different perspective. My brother-in-law and his two lads are City ST holders and think Isaksson's pants, but people on here are recommending him.

My guess is that if we do go for someone new it will be a younger player, no older than Robbo.

Amelia is only 25, 2 years younger than Robbo. Keepers can play till a very old age, just as Van De Sar has done at Manure.
 

General Levy

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It seems that a lot of folks what to replace Steed as LM. Even though, he has been undoubtedly, our player of the season thus far.
 
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