Jose Mourinho

[jay2040]

Fed up of with these needly little ‘nothing’ comments.

Thread tumbleweed like this just clogs up the space without anything worth debating.

Back up your reply with something tangible or keep it moving!

Less is more at times and everyone does not need to post an essay or justify themselves

 

[dudu]

He is by far the worst manager I've seen at Spurs in my 32 years, Nuno is on par. I played golf with my United supporting mate today l when I said Jose might be going PSG he responded when we people learn! He was the worst thing to happen to Utd he set the back quite a few years. He did the same for us the point of getting rid of Poch and appointing Jose was about progression but he took us so far back it's crazy people think this guys still elite

How exactly did he specifically take us 'back quite a few years' when we were already sliding before he came in?

Also to say he had been the detriment to United shows a deep misunderstanding of their issues and what has been going on there post Fergie.

 

[Styopa]

How exactly did he specifically take us 'back quite a few years' when we were already sliding before he came in?

Also to say he had been the detriment to United shows a deep misunderstanding of their issues and what has been going on there post Fergie.

We were definitely on the way down when Mourinho took over. But I think most of us thought that we would be able to climb our way back up within a season or so. The alarming thing about Mourinho’s time at the club was that it felt like we had found our new level. It felt like to me that it would take us years to recover although by the end I would have settled for someone who would get us playing entertaining football again.

That being said, I could understand the logic of appointing Mourinho at the time. The idea was, and he himself encouraged this, that he would be able to essentially finish what Pochettino had started and carry us over the line. It’s easy to forget that we were in the Champions League final just a few months before he joined and we were mostly all pleased with the business we had done in the summer. It had felt like for a few years that we were on the cusp of winning something.

The appointment of Nuno on the other hand made no sense. It was like doubling down on the mistake of hiring Mourinho with none of the logic.

 

[Timberwolf]

Jose was clearly the wrong manager at the wrong time.

I do think that a bit of time and distance has shown the limits of Jose's squad at Spurs, though. At the time I thought that our squad was decent and he was underperforming, but looking at the amount of surgery required under Conte makes me realise Jose had a more difficult job on his hands than I initially gave him credit for.

Also makes me respect what Poch did even more in 18-19. Squad was basically held together with string and tape yet he still got top 4 and CL final. Fucked up his signings that summer, though.

 

[Timberwolf]

Hope Mourinho doesn't take the PSG job. Feels like Roma is a great fit for him and he's already a club legend for winning the Conference but can see him tempted by the bright lights and CL of Paris. Destined to be a disaster, no doubt.

 

[Styopa]

Jose was clearly the wrong manager at the wrong time.

I do think that a bit of time and distance has shown the limits of Jose's squad at Spurs, though. At the time I thought that our squad was decent and he was underperforming, but looking at the amount of surgery required under Conte makes me realise Jose had a more difficult job on his hands than I initially gave him credit for.

Also makes me respect what Poch did even more in 18-19. Squad was basically held together with string and tape yet he still got top 4 and CL final. Fucked up his signings that summer, though.

I think this is true although it also brings into relief what an impact Conte has made with just two new signings, albeit very important ones. I suppose you could argue Romero was a bit like a new signing for Conte too because he really found his feet in the second half of the season. Still Conte was able to make an impact even before the January transfer window with the same squad Nuno had to work with.

 

[Trix]

He is by far the worst manager I've seen at Spurs in my 32 years, Nuno is on par. I played golf with my United supporting mate today l when I said Jose might be going PSG he responded when we people learn! He was the worst thing to happen to Utd he set the back quite a few years. He did the same for us the point of getting rid of Poch and appointing Jose was about progression but he took us so far back it's crazy people think this guys still elite

Perhaps the problem wasn't Jose and instead it was two complete basket case clubs behind the scenes that were the issue. I mean United have gotten far worse since, and until JL decided enough was enough and shook Levy into line we were a complete disaster. You only need to look at the fiasco that was replacing Jose to see it was all fucked up.

I don't think any manager stood a chance whilst Levy was in complete control of things.

 

[ralvy]

Perhaps the problem wasn't Jose and instead it was two complete basket case clubs behind the scenes that were the issue. I mean United have gotten far worse since, and until JL decided enough was enough and shook Levy into line we were a complete disaster. You only need to look at the fiasco that was replacing Jose to see it was all fucked up.

I don't think any manager stood a chance whilst Levy was in complete control of things.

Wasn't aware JL suddenly decided to start taking an interest into the club, that would explain our improved decision making over the past few months or so.

 

[Timberwolf]

Wasn't aware JL suddenly decided to start taking an interest into the club, that would explain our improved decision making over the past few months or so.

IIRC Jose was Levy's white whale. A lot of the board weren't in favour of appointing him but Levy had been chasing him for a decade and wanted his man. He stuck his neck out, betting on Jose's success and we all know how that worked out.

When Jose failed this was the last straw and Levy was pushed into more of a backseat role on the football front. We hired Paratici and Levy doesn't get too involved in transfers or negotiations anymore.

I can only assume JL was involved in this move to push Levy back upstairs?

 

[Styopa]

In hindsight did things start to get worse when Paul Mitchell left the club and Pochettino became more of a general manager than head coach? We seem to do better in regards to recruitment when we have a strong, highly influential presence in a recruitment role distinct from Levy and the manager. These two last transfer windows have been the best windows for some time- probably the best windows since the early years of Pochettino’s time at the club- and in the past we have signed some of our finest players like Carrick, Modric and Bale whilst a director of football was in place.

 

[Timberwolf]

In hindsight did things start to get worse when Paul Mitchell left the club and Pochettino became more of a general manager than head coach? We seem to do better in regards to recruitment when we have a strong, highly influential presence in a recruitment role distinct from Levy and the manager. These two last transfer windows have been the best windows for some time- probably the best windows since the early years of Pochettino’s time at the club- and in the past we have signed some of our finest players like Carrick, Modric and Bale whilst a director of football was in place.

Yeah I think that's a good point. Going further back, Comolli was a bit hit or miss but at least he had a clear vision and we brought in some mega-talents (Modric, Bale) under his watch to go with the turds (Ramos as manager).

When Levy didn't have a DoF our transfer activity was very scattershot and random. Great deals followed by utterly nonsensical ones and a general lack of long term thinking or squad building in mind.

 

[Styopa]

Yeah I think that's a good point. Going further back, Comolli was a bit hit or miss but at least he had a clear vision and we brought in some mega-talents (Modric, Bale) under his watch to go with the turds (Ramos as manager).

When Levy didn't have a DoF our transfer activity was very scattershot and random. Great deals followed by utterly nonsensical ones and a general lack of long term thinking or squad building in mind.

Case in point the signings of VDV and Sissoko. They felt like totally opportunistic buys rather than reflecting any real long-term strategy. I think Aurier and Lucas also felt a bit like this.

By the time Mourinho arrived at the club it felt like we had a very imbalanced squad which I think reflected a lack of joined up thinking. I think Mourinho realised this and our summer transfer window seemed like a pragmatic attempt to address obvious deficiencies in our squad - at centre midfield, left-back, right back, centre back. Issues that had been festering for years really.

 

[fishhhandaricecake]

Perhaps the problem wasn't Jose and instead it was two complete basket case clubs behind the scenes that were the issue. I mean United have gotten far worse since, and until JL decided enough was enough and shook Levy into line we were a complete disaster. You only need to look at the fiasco that was replacing Jose to see it was all fucked up.

I don't think any manager stood a chance whilst Levy was in complete control of things.

Completely agree that it was the behind the scenes way we were managed which has been the issue for a long long time and that hampered Jose.

That being said I just don’t think Jose was ever the right fit, the style of play wasn’t appealing to spurs fans, he was always onto a tough ride because of him being ex-Chelsea hero and he’s generally a very decisive character so a combination of all of those things would’ve split the fanbase anyway regardless of how coherent the plans were behind the scenes to give him the tools he needed to be successful.

 

[Hotspur33]

I don't agree that Mourinho is 'Washed' I believe he was a victim of bad timing at Spurs.
I think if it weren't for the pandemic he would probably have been given the same kind of backing that Conte is enjoying now.
And I think, had that of happened, he would have won us a trophy.
That being said, when it was bad, it was really ugly under Jose.

 

[Cochise]

I'm just going to throw this here. After he was axed by UTD and later us, there was a lot of talk about how he couldn't cut it as a manager today because he couldn't connect with players like Pogba, N'Dombele and Dele. After reading some snippets from the Pogumentary or whatever the fuck it's called, can anyone really put the blame entirely on Jose?

It seems like bad professionals are bad professionals and Jose had no time for them. Conte similarly so as he got rid of Dele and N'Dombele after just a few months of working with them.

 

[muppetman]

Managing PSG feels similar to managing Real Madrid - more about the ability to cope with the media circus, demanding bosses, player egos and having the ability to command some respect from the players, so I can see the sense in them going for Jose. Also, his counter attacking MUST NOT LOSE type of football may well be effective in winning the CL, as opposed to swashbuckling your way to it.

TLDR - I think he's way past his best and things have moved on, but can see the reasoning why PSG might want him.

 

[tottenham_skriniar]

Dybala has reached a verbal agreement with Roma. His agent and the club are working on the paperwork. The offer is until 2025. Mourinho and Totti were key in the decision as as they have insisted on signing him for the past 40 days.

 

[tony0379]

 

[Japhet]

Dybala has reached a verbal agreement with Roma. His agent and the club are working on the paperwork. The offer is until 2025. Mourinho and Totti were key in the decision as as they have insisted on signing him for the past 40 days.

He'll love playing in a low block that crates a counter attack once in a blue moon, or has Mourinho changed his MO?

 

[tottenham_skriniar]

He'll love playing in a low block that crates a counter attack once in a blue moon, or has Mourinho changed his MO?

Roma had 3rd highest xG last season behind only us (Inter) and Atalanta. They played good football but often let down by lack of clinical finishers.