Ex-Manager watch: Antonio Conte

[Mr Pink]

Just sounds like we'll play it all by ear again....

Cracking way of planning ahead....

 

[NickHSpurs]

Not gonna lie, was excited when the app notification “Club Statement” popped up

 

[spursfan77]

He was happy with Richarlison

Yes but he turned down Maddison not because he doesn't think he's a good player, but because it's not the right fit for his system. Now we can go back and forth on the fact (and I agree it is a fact) he is pretty inflexible and only wants to play one way, but we knew that prior to him coming. So what's the point of not getting players to fit that very inflexible system. Now you can say, "well because when he leaves we are stuck with players that only suit one system"(and I again I agree) so why appoint him in the first place if this is was ever a concern?

It all boils down to this. Win now managers aren't interested in changing what has seen success after success for over a decade. he got what he wanted in his first January window and we saw immediate success with both players, since then it's been very hit and miss(more miss than hit) as far as getting him what he's specifically asked for, and that's not much use to him. We did the same with Jose, and in fact go back as far as Jol and Harry and you'll find comments of them saying they asked for a certain player and got something completely different with very little consultation on the matter.

I remember Martin Jol asking for George Boateng and getting Darren bent!

 

[Spursberg]

I do not like the football we play, but the biggest problem for me is that Levy keeps fecking around with elite managers he does not back 100%
Either you buy players the manager want or you hire a manager that is ok with playing the players the DOF brings in. What the F is the point in bringing in Spence and Danjuma when Conte REFUSE to play them out of spite?

This is not doing anyone any favors, you get a sour manager and fans and you waste money. Seriously what is the point! We are better of getting an up and coming manager then that is just happy to work with whatever Levy brings in
so tired of our identity crisis, wanting to be a big club, but still stuck in 2005 at the top

 

[TPdYID]

I do not like the football we play, but the biggest problem for me is that Levy keeps fecking around with elite managers he does not back 100%
Either you buy players the manager want or you hire a manager that is ok with playing the players the DOF brings in. What the F is the point in bringing in Spence and Danjuma when Conte REFUSE to play them out of spite?

This is not doing anyone any favors, you get a sour manager and fans and you waste money. Seriously what is the point! We are better of getting an up and coming manager then that is just happy to work with whatever Levy brings in
so tired of our identity crisis, wanting to be a big club, but still stuck in 2005 at the top

Might as well add Rodon to this list aswell.

 

[Bluto Blutarsky]

Might as well add Rodon to this list aswell.

Just because the Rennes manager won’t play Rodon, does not make it Levy’s (or Conte’s) fault.

 

[jolsnogross]

We need a manager to contribute to stability for the club and coherence on the pitch.

Conte doesn't offer stability for a club and tends to stay for a short while, signs relatively short contracts, or leaves during a contract if he wants to. I understand why he does this, but I don't think it's helpful to us. Despite the overarching issues with Levy, it's not what we need, especially when our star player is nearing the end of his current deal and DoF has a cloud hanging over him.

He does offer a coherent, definitive way of playing. I don't particularly like it, and am still a bit taken aback at how terrible we've been to watch this season compared to the run in last season. We don't play good football and it's a tactical decision to play the way we do. He might resolve some performance issues this for the upcoming run in, but that's not much help after the prizes are largely gone. It was an enormous fuck up not to treat the period after the back-to-back derby wins as the critical time in our season, starting at Sheff Utd. Our inconsistent form all season suggests his approach isn't very good and belies an "elite manager" status. And the good/bad halves of matches for so much of the season is particularly damning of his ability to diagnose a problem and address it.

These are resolvable with Conte remaining in charge, but it seems very unlikely that he'll stay and sign a decent length contract and commit to it (e.g. 3 years).

 

[Johnny J]

Agree with Sutton here. It's highly unusual for a big club to be in a position like this with their manager at this point in the season - no commitment from him means we should move on IMO. If he wanted to stay, he'd commit. I know he's been unwell but you just get the impression he thinks he's above us. Which he may well be, but that's not helping us.

Conte should leave Tottenham now - Sutton

Tottenham boss Antonio Conte should leave the club immediately if he does not want to commit his future to Spurs, says pundit Chris Sutton.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[Timberwolf]

Agree with Sutton here. It's highly unusual for a big club to be in a position like this with their manager at this point in the season - no commitment from him means we should move on IMO. If he wanted to stay, he'd commit. I know he's been unwell but you just get the impression he thinks he's above us. Which he may well be, but that's not helping us.

Conte should leave Tottenham now - Sutton

Tottenham boss Antonio Conte should leave the club immediately if he does not want to commit his future to Spurs, says pundit Chris Sutton.

www.bbc.co.uk

Said it before the Forest game but I don't think rushing him out ASAP is going to help us and we'd be wise to keep him until the end of the season. Ever since he arrived there's been speculation about his future and that includes the run-in last season in which we got great results.

We're stupid for allowing ourselves to be in this situation and I think we'd be absolutely crazy to extend his contract even if we do go on a great run and finish top 4, but I still think he's our best bet of finishing the season strongly. To my mind 11 more games of Conte is preferable to a) Mason or b) rushing to appoint a new manager when it's so vitally important we get it right.

I think it only makes sense to sack him pre-summer if the players very obviously down tools and stop playing for him. And based on the way they approached the Forest game I don't think that's going to happen.

 

[mil1lion]

I don't think it's that big of a deal personally. Nobody should be thinking of next season anyway, just focus on this one. As long as we have a clear strategy for the next manager I see no issue with it. At the end of the day we know his contract runs out so there's no reason we shouldn't have plans in place (I know it's us so maybe not). It's not like Jose though where you're not really anticipating sacking before the season ends and it throws things up in the air. You just have to hope lessons were learned from that summer.

 

[Johnny J]

Said it before the Forest game but I don't think rushing him out ASAP is going to help us and we'd be wise to keep him until the end of the season. Ever since he arrived there's been speculation about his future and that includes the run-in last season in which we got great results.

We're stupid for allowing ourselves to be in this situation and I think we'd be absolutely crazy to extend his contract even if we do go on a great run and finish top 4, but I still think he's our best bet of finishing the season strongly. To my mind 11 more games of Conte is preferable to a) Mason or b) rushing to appoint a new manager when it's so vitally important we get it right.

I think it only makes sense to sack him pre-summer if the players very obviously down tools and stop playing for him. And based on the way they approached the Forest game I don't think that's going to happen.

A good argument.

 

[guy]

The real show of commitment from conte would be for his family to move over.

That one thing he didn't do, to me, stinks of his non committal attitude to the job at spurs.

 

[Rout-Ledge]

The real show of commitment from conte would be for his family to move over.

That one thing he didn't do, to me, stinks of his non committal attitude to the job at spurs.

He doesn’t control his family, but he should certainly have moved out of his hotel.

 

[Bluto Blutarsky]

Agree with Sutton here. It's highly unusual for a big club to be in a position like this with their manager at this point in the season - no commitment from him means we should move on IMO. If he wanted to stay, he'd commit. I know he's been unwell but you just get the impression he thinks he's above us. Which he may well be, but that's not helping us.

Conte should leave Tottenham now - Sutton

Tottenham boss Antonio Conte should leave the club immediately if he does not want to commit his future to Spurs, says pundit Chris Sutton.

www.bbc.co.uk

Disagree strongly.

We are a club in a bit of a bind right now - because we don't know if our DOF will be here next month. So, we are not really in a great position to evaluate managers for next season. And, if we don't know exactly who we want now - there is no reason to hire a caretaker, when Conte is better positioned to deliver results this season.

It would save everyone a lot of grief if Spurs/Conte jointly announce that Conte would see out his contract, and then leave in the summer. Players and staff can then focus on the remaining games without all the distractions. Its also possible that Conte leaving is not a sure thing - hence not announcing anything.

As supporters - we should be focused on supporting the team/manager we have now, and spend less time dreaming of managers we don't have.

 

[bat-chain]

The fact Sutton sees no benefit in Tottenham being led by Conte for the last 10 games shows he is lying or doesn’t know what he’s talking about.

Conte has many flaws but he also brings a lot.

 

[Sp3akerboxxx]

I've got a strong feeling we are going to finish 4th again under Conte, he'll leave, and his replacement will finish in the Europa places.

 

[jolsnogross]

He doesn’t control his family, but he should certainly have moved out of his hotel.

Personal lives of club staff aren't really anyone's business and I'm not sure why fans add these things into the mix in terms of someone's suitability in their role.

Conte has already explained his family's decision - primarily related to his kid's age and schooling - and there's no reason to think they couldn't move to London if he was staying on longer. It is a sign of being settled in a role, I'll give fans that, but in this case it's not really an issue since a longer term deal with Conte isn't in place.

Living in a hotel has nothing to do with anything. He's very wealthy, he can live where he likes, and that's not really a point for or against him staying in any meaningful way.

Stick to the real issues when offering evaluations of him = Primarily performance in the role, what you see on the pitch, and results. Secondarily signing a contract, length of contract.
Not on the list = personal life, where he lives, where his family lives etc

 

[VDV11 Fan]

I like Conte. I don’t mind his style of football. When implemented properly it can be enjoyable to watch.

Get in a new keeper who can play the ball, and a couple of CBs who can move the ball, and I think we have a chance at doing very well.

Even as poor as we have been at times this season, we are still on to qualify for CL next season.

Although I can't see him being here next season I do think this is a great point. There are times when I really enjoy the style of play when everything clicks but I think we are hamstrung by the players at our disposal most of the time. Specifically the lack quality in our backline.

 

[Bluto Blutarsky]

I don't think people realize how convenient it is to live in a hotel for a guy like Conte.

He works long hours, has no time for upkeep. He lives alone - so no need for a house. I don't know what hotel is is living in, but I imagine it has a good restaurant.

I kind of doubt he is staying in an economy hotel with just a bed, a TV, and a mini-fridge.


Opening up on his living arrangements, Conte said: "For sure [there are advantages], it was a really good choice in this aspect! Then, honestly, I live in the hotel and now the people and the owner, I'm part of their family. They consider me a person that lives there and, for this reason, I want also to use this moment to say thanks because they treat me very well."


Plus, even if he spent £400/night - that runs to £146,000/year. He nets about that each week. Its the equivalent of someone making £100k/year spending about £125 per month on housing.

 

[whitesocks]

You could argue Ramos was all about cups over top 4, he won the league cup and then the following season binned off the opening league games ready for the cups to come around

As I remember, Ramos wanted to get us back into europe and the league cup was the best route given we were in the relegation zone when he took over. That's why it was prioritised .
The players were so full of themselves after the cup win, we were sent into a death spiral that wasn't resolved until Redknapp was appointed.

I dont think Ramos was genuinely interested in anything other than the uefa cup, and AVB was the same with the diminished europa cup.