Spurs Vs Shaktar Donetsk: Match Thread

[SpurSince57]

It's hard not to think about how much of a beatdown we would have given Shaktar two season ago..

If Palop hadn't scored a last-gasp equaliser in the second leg we would have had that very opportunity—and the overblown Ramos bubble would have been well and truly burst.

 

[sunnydelight786]

If Palop hadn't scored a last-gasp equaliser in the second leg we would have had that very opportunity—and the overblown Ramos bubble would have been well and truly burst.

Get over it SS57. Fact is they did beat Donetsk by hook or by crook. They then went on to beat our very own Martin Jol's Tottenham then Osasuna and then Espanyol to win it. They also won the Spanish cup and were still in the La Liga race come the last day of the season. That Ramos was one lucky bastard that season eh....:roll:

 

[SpurSince57]

Indeed he was.

 

[Beni]

Get over it SS57. Fact is they did beat Donetsk by hook or by crook. They then went on to beat our very own Martin Jol's Tottenham then Osasuna and then Espanyol to win it. They also won the Spanish cup and were still in the La Liga race come the last day of the season. That Ramos was one lucky bastard that season eh....:roll:

Sorry, didn't realise Ramos took over at Seville, inherited a squad that was bottom of La Liga, and magically transformed them to La Liga contenders, Spainsh Cup winners, and Uefa Cup winners all in one season.

What a guy

 

[The Original Yiddster]

Or a particularly easy childhood if my standards of hate-filled crap are so easy to reach: think it through, Logic Boy... :hello:

Regardless, I'm sick of people on these boards who have already made their mind up about Harry when he's had not even a sniff of the time that could be considered to be fair in making a judgement on whether he'll do well for Spurs in the future. It's short sighted, it's ignorant, and it's exactly the kind of mentality that has seen us have more Premiership managers than just about any other club, which has put us back years in our development several times.

Its far from short sighted to recognise we have a manager whos sole achievement is one FA cup win, lacks ambition to compete in Europe and struggles to come to terms with managing a bigger club than he has ever been at before........what is ridiculously short sighted is to just blindly run with a manager for 5 years who patently isnt going to deliver. Cut our losses early and move on.

 

[Beni]

Its far from short sighted to recognise we have a manager whos sole achievement is one FA cup win, lacks ambition to compete in Europe and struggles to come to terms with managing a bigger club than he has ever been at before........what is ridiculously short sighted is to just blindly run with a manager for 5 years who patently isnt going to deliver. Cut our losses early and move on.

Sorry, how is he lacking ambition by fielding an under strengthed team for Europe? By making sure that our club stays in the premiership and giving our team the best opportunity to be fit and 100% for all of our league games.
To keep them fit, so that on Sunday, we could make something out of our shambles of a season, and have the best chance of being able to compete in Europe again next season.

If you looked at Portsmouths team when they were competing in Europe, you will find that it was Portsmouths 1st team that was always playing. Do you know why? Because they weren't in a relegation battle at the time, and sitting near the bottom of the table.

Why is it so hard to comprehend for people. Is it because Redknapp isnt that good looking on the eye for people, is that it?

 

[SpurSince57]

Its far from short sighted to recognise we have a manager whos sole achievement is one FA cup win, lacks ambition to compete in Europe and struggles to come to terms with managing a bigger club than he has ever been at before........what is ridiculously short sighted is to just blindly run with a manager for 5 years who patently isnt going to deliver. Cut our losses early and move on.

Well, I'm glad all this factual input has cleared the matter up.

 

[mike_l]

Its far from short sighted to recognise we have a manager whos sole achievement is one FA cup win, lacks ambition to compete in Europe and struggles to come to terms with managing a bigger club than he has ever been at before........what is ridiculously short sighted is to just blindly run with a manager for 5 years who patently isnt going to deliver. Cut our losses early and move on.

Who the hell has said that he will be here for the next 5 years, even Redknapp himself seems to see him being here for 3/4 max depending on how well he does. He was brought in when we were bottom with 2 points from 8 games and showing no signs of improvement If we hadn't had a very good run early on in his reign we could well have been cut off 1/4 of the way through the season. What do you want, Levy to sack him now in the middle of a relegation fight we are doing alright in? Thank God you aren't in charge at the club, this season is now pretty much about surviving and regrouping over the summer break.

Also for the record Redknap did not say he didn't ant Euro footy for winning the cup, he said he would rather win silverware even if there was no European football as a result. Guess the subtle difference isn't obvious enough for some of you.

 

[Coyboy]

Why is it so hard to comprehend for people. Is it because Redknapp isnt that good looking on the eye for people, is that it?

I would say in order:

1. The 'wheeler deeler' stereotype.
2. The 'small club' mentality.
3. The fact he is English
4. His working class background and consequent cockney demeanour.
5. His candidness in public.
6. His West Ham connection.
7. The notion that he is 'tactically inept' whatever that means.
8. The notion that he signs over the hill players.
9. His under coaches- Bond and Jordan.
10. Maybe his appearance.

I would be worried if any fan, straight or gay, cared what our manager or players looked like, but I have seen a few personal insults flying around the infinite skies of Rednapp abuse. The problem and great shame is that so many fans won't give him a chance and ignore the fact that we were going down quickly under Ramos and he has had to inherit that, the squad and everthing going with it in a abnormally competitive English and European climate. That we are 14th, in a final and progressed through the group stages in the UEFA bears no importance in comparison to the absolute truths listed above.

 

[Beni]

I would say in order:

1. The 'wheeler deeler' stereotype.
2. The 'small club' mentality.
3. The fact he is English
4. His working class background and consequent cockney demeanour.
5. His candidness in public.
6. His West Ham connection.
7. The notion that he is 'tactically inept' whatever that means.
8. The notion that he signs over the hill players.
9. His under coaches- Bond and Jordan.
10. Maybe his appearance.

I would be worried if any fan, straight or gay, cared what our manager or players looked like, but I have seen a few personal insults flying around the infinite skies of Rednapp abuse. The problem and great shame is that so many fans won't give him a chance and ignore the fact that we were going down quickly under Ramos and he has had to inherit that, the squad and everthing going with it in a abnormally competitive English and European climate. That we are 14th, in a final and progressed through the group stages in the UEFA bears no importance in comparison to the absolute truths listed above.

My comment was meant to be tongue in cheek, and only half serious.
But thinking about it, I wouldn't be surprised of how many fans that don't like him because of him not looking cool, being smart or having good looks etc and hide behind other reasons.

 

[SlickMongoose]

The main reason people don't like him is because we aren't winning every game scoring 3 or more goals. It's the same problem all our managers have.

 

[The Original Yiddster]

Well, I'm glad all this factual input has cleared the matter up.

because 90% plus of all posts on here are based on opinion and not fact .....maybe thats because we dont have many PL managers as posters :roll:

 

[The Original Yiddster]

The main reason people don't like him is because we aren't winning every game scoring 3 or more goals. It's the same problem all our managers have.

I dont dislike him, infact I think he is quite entertaining, just think the job is too big for him and as a consequence he wont take us where we want/demand to be

 

[hellava_tough]

I can't be arsed to read the last 16 pages so I don't know if The Original Yiddster has made a tit of himself or not.

However, by going on his last few posts, I'd have to say that I agree with him.

I'd keep Redknapp until the end of the season, and then replace him if there's anyone decent available (e.g. Sven).

If there isn't anyone available, then I'd give him another season.

 

[Reg]

I can't be arsed to read the last 16 pages so I don't know if The Original Yiddster has made a tit of himself or not.

However, by going on his last few posts, I'd have to say that I agree with him.

I'd keep Redknapp until the end of the season, and then replace him if there's anyone decent available (e.g. Sven).

If there isn't anyone available, then I'd give him another season.

Good job you're in charge then
:bs:

 

[hellava_tough]

Good job you're in charge then
:bs:

Cheers Harry

That disguise is fooling no one :grin:

 

[Mullers]

Isn't it just? But it was always going to be difficult after taking 2 points from a possible 24. But that's what a world-class manager with ambition and vision brings to the party. Aren't we forgetting that we were pretty fortunate to get this far after a much stronger starting XI staggered past Wisla? Or lost to a frankly not very good Udinese? Of course we are. Some of us, anyway.

I remember, and because of that, it makes it all the more disappointing to go out the way we have done. We sacked Jol and appointed Ramos on the basis that he was going to take us to the 'next level' but after all the millions spent we do not have a squad to cope with the UEFA cup fixtures let alone champions league.

We have a CC Final against arguably the best side in Europe (or indeed, on the planet) on Sunday. Just in case you hadn't noticed, we're by no means out of the shit league-wise, and we have two league games we could really do with winning in rapid succession.

I don't think anyone—bar a couple of total idiots—is 'not bothered' that we're out of UEFA. However, I'm sure we'd all be a whole lot more bothered if we got sucked back into the relegation mire.

We aspire to be a successful club so we have to cope with all these fixtures. If its all too much for the current squad then I don't know why there has been so much hullabaloo about qualifying for the Uefa cup and the Champions
league. I agree with Mabs 'The more continuity you have the more confidence grows'. And boy do we need that confidence, especially against united.

 

[VancouverSpurs]

Simple fact of the matter is this. We need to stay in the Premier League. End of story. In ANY other season, I think Harry would have sent out a full strength team. I would put money on that. But quite frankly, the way that this season has developed has necessitated him acting in certain ways (Ramos not registering all those players for UEFA for example forced Harry to pick academy players rather than proper reserves). Can people not see the bigger picture here? This season is one of the weirdest seasons I've ever seen with our team being so mish-mash with cup-tied players all over the place, the new manager and so much transition that you almost need to think of it in its own category.

If we win the Carling and are back in Europe next year I think you'll see Harry prioritise it and field full strength teams. However, because of the nature of fixture congestion AND because we have a big squad and people get bitchy when they sit for long periods of time, he will still have to rotate players.