Spurs and VAR

[SecretLemonadeDrinker]

I think you are being a bit disingenuous there.
What people have been calling out for years was consistency, what one referee would give one week, another referee would not give the next.
Clubs, Players, pundits and supporters hated it.
Now we have total consistency in how a law is being applied, those same people are saying we don't want it, and let's go back to being inconsistent.

I’d say that it’s you being a tad disingenuous.

People previously calling for consistency weren’t calling for anything like the shit show that we’re getting now. Not even close. Quite wrong to suggest otherwise.

It’s almost as if the authorities and refs are deliberately fucking VAR up so that we all beg them to return to the days when they weren’t in the least bit answerable and when their mistakes couldn’t be overturned.

 

[InOffMeLeftShin]

haha, i'm the one being disingenuous. Instead of cherry picking, Google VAR consistency, take a look at the names complaining about it, the things they are complaining about. You say we're getting consistency, on 10th July VAR got three penalty decisions wrong on the same day. THREE. Where's the consistency you claim it's providing there?

So what we're not getting, is consistency, argue it as hard as you like.

Yeh but they were consistent in being wrong.

 

[thebenjamin]

I think this is a big one for me:

This is a penalty, despite the ball deflecting (e.g. the original trajectory contested for had changed) onto the upper arm of the defender from a proximity that was unavoidable:
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This wasn't, by Gabriel, despite not 'deflecting', and the defender 'playing the ball'
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Seems like titles and qualifications will be won or loss based on the length of your sleeves.

the Gabriel one he actually moves his arm away from his body, towards the ball.

 

[Trotter]

haha, i'm the one being disingenuous. Instead of cherry picking, Google VAR consistency, take a look at the names complaining about it, the things they are complaining about. You say we're getting consistency, on 10th July VAR got three penalty decisions wrong on the same day. THREE. Where's the consistency you claim it's providing there?

So what we're not getting, is consistency, argue it as hard as you like.

Those are subjective decisions, which will always be open for interpretation. VAR will never be totally consistent on subjective decisions, by its very nature, they are subjective, but it has corrected a lot of the perceived errors on subjective decisions.

However on factual decisions, we now have consistency (e.g. offsides, whether and offence is inside or outside a box, and handball is now a factual decision).

All I am saying is VAR was brought in as a response to clubs, players, fans wanting consistency, and laws were even adapted to bring in even more consistency.

 

[Trotter]

the Gabriel one he actually moves his arm away from his body, towards the ball.

But actually doesn't hit him on what is now classified as being an arm

 

[Archibald&Crooks]

We can argue the pros and cons of VAR to death but at the end of the day, anything involving human interpretation is going to end up in controversy, when 'experts' with the benefit of countless angles and replays still cannot get a decision right, then I really don't see the point in it at all. It's actually staggering to think that the people in charge of the game cannot see this.

 

[wrd]

Those are subjective decisions, which will always be open for interpretation. VAR will never be totally consistent on subjective decisions, by its very nature, they are subjective, but it has corrected a lot of the perceived errors on subjective decisions.

However on factual decisions, we now have consistency (e.g. offsides, whether and offence is inside or outside a box, and handball is now a factual decision).

All I am saying is VAR was brought in as a response to clubs, players, fans wanting consistency, and laws were even adapted to bring in even more consistency.

It's amazing that Handball isn't deemed subjective when clearly it is as we saw at West Ham last week but the decisions they get wrong are subjective.

VAR wasn't brought in for the sole purpose of consistency. Consistency which goes against the spirit of the game is complete dogshit.

 

[Archibald&Crooks]

All I am saying is VAR was brought in as a response to clubs, players, fans wanting consistency, and laws were even adapted to bring in even more consistency.

Yet we still aren't getting it.

 

[wrd]

Yet we still aren't getting it.

They believe consistency begins and ends by whatever they have put in the rulebook, regardless of the fact we wanted consistency to be about making sure the correct decision was arrived at within the spirit of the game.

 

[Trotter]

Yet we still aren't getting it.

Agree to disagree, we are getting it in massively enhanced numbers compared to before, on handballs, offsides, penalties etc. Are we at 100% consistency, no, and never will be whilst some laws are subjective, which they always will be.

Maybe the consistency that people wanted is Consistency, but only if that consistency benefits my club, but maybe it is a lesson to all, the grass is not always greener, and better the devil you know.

 

[Marty]

I like this from Gallagher, as proof that even the referees hate this.

“Equally, Peter Bankes and Kevin Friend at Crystal Palace are equally victims because they have to apply that law.

Former top referee rules on THE Tottenham v Newcastle United controversial incident

Former top referee Dermot Gallagher gives his verdict on THE controversial Tottenham v Newcastle United incident.

www.themag.co.uk

 

[thebenjamin]

Maybe they should introduce a law that defenders can have bouncy springs in their boots for added elevation, as they are no longer allowed to jump as humans jump? But strikers are. Something has to be done to redress the imbalance.

 

[Archibald&Crooks]

Maybe the consistency that people wanted is Consistency, but only if that consistency benefits my club.

I think there's an element of that, people will always be outraged when a decision goes against their team and laugh about it when it happens to say, Arsenal for example. That's more a banter type thing IMO. I do think that it rams it home harder (hehe) when it happens to your team but generally, football fans aren't idiots and we know when something is ruining the game and our enjoyment of it.

 

[DJS]

It’s not very easy to jump without raising your arms though is it?

I wonder which daft twats thought of this rule and felt it actually improved the game?

 

[Archibald&Crooks]

Maybe they should introduce a law that defenders can have bouncy springs in their boots for added elevation, as they are no longer allowed to jump as humans jump? But strikers are. Something has to be done to redress the imbalance.

I think that they should stop showing replays while the decision is being made and instead send on a streaker with magnificently large bosoms to dash about the pitch (observing social distancing of course) doing cartwheels and striking bosom enhancing poses until a decision is reached, which is then conveyed to the watching gazillions who by this time are too busy bashing one out to give a fuck what's going on in the game.

 

[tiger666]

It’s not very easy to jump without raising your arms though is it?

I wonder which daft twats thought of this rule and felt it actually improved the game?

Twats that have never played football.

 

[DJS]

I mean I’m a bit of a fat bastard so not too keen on jumping, but when doing gym classes that had aerobics in when we had to jump usually we had to use our arms to get momentum.

I guess in future match threads if Dier jumps poorly and misses a cross leading to opponent goal he can’t be blamed really (even though he probably will be!) as he isn’t able to jump naturally due to this daft twat rule.

 

[Mr Pink]

I think you are being a bit disingenuous there.
What people have been calling out for years was consistency, what one referee would give one week, another referee would not give the next.
Clubs, Players, pundits and supporters hated it.
Now we have total consistency in how a law is being applied, those same people are saying we don't want it, and let's go back to being inconsistent.

This is bollox I'm afraid. We all want consistency, but not at the expense of ruining the game with complete and utter illogical laws.

Who the hell wants this farce?

The real problem is the people responsible for making these rules, and refs have input...be it retired ones or whatever.

To put it bluntly, they just don't seem capable of coming up with laws that promote consistency but at their heart have sound footballing logic.

Its actually embarrassing what this has transcended into.

 

[Serpico]

Don't understand what you are saying at all.
What do you mean VAR needed the referee to make the decision, VAR should have made it ?
And the one thing the rule is, is not open for interpretation

I agree-thats what I meant VAR should have made the call. And when its open to interpretation its open to misuse.

 

[Thenewcat]

Agree to disagree, we are getting it in massively enhanced numbers compared to before, on handballs, offsides, penalties etc. Are we at 100% consistency, no, and never will be whilst some laws are subjective, which they always will be.

Maybe the consistency that people wanted is Consistency, but only if that consistency benefits my club, but maybe it is a lesson to all, the grass is not always greener, and better the devil you know.

The consistency I want is one that leaves the product in tact as an enjoyable experience, not one that reduces the results of football games to blind luck. You are consistently talking as if consistency is a goal in itself, which it isn’t. Consistently crap is still crap. We could consistently execute all underage shoplifters but it wouldn’t make it right