Proposed changes to champions league from 2024.

[Lilbaz]

https://www.sportbusiness.com/news/...efa-considering-semi-closed-champions-league/

Not as bad as a super league but is another nail in the coffin for smaller teams.
Guess it will give us more chance of getting in. Even if we go in the europa league you just have to get to the semi finals to get into the cl the following year.

 

[Lilbaz]

Too many games for me. It will mean the domestic cups and even the pl itself will lose value.

With not having to qualify for cl then the teams out of the race have little to play for other than relegation.

You will also soon enough have the bigger teams wanting a bigger slice of the money. The likes of utd will argue why should they get the same money as spurs when far more people watch their games?

 

[nailsy]

Another terrible idea. Anything that rewards clubs just for being popular, rather than earning a place in the competition is a bad idea. As @Lilbaz said the domestic leagues would become very boring if teams didn't need to finish in the top four. Most clubs would have nothing to play for from around Christmas.

 

[dickieven]

I know it is probably because we made it to the final but this season has been one of the most exciting in my view with some surprises and the traditional big boys being beaten. The knockout games have been amazing. Adding more 'group' games is not the way to make a tournament more exciting it is to protect the big clubs with a gauranteed number of games even if they are shit.

 

[Lilbaz]

Another terrible idea. Anything that rewards clubs just for being popular, rather than being earning a place in the competition is a bad idea. As @Lilbaz said the domestic leagues would become very boring if teams didn't need to finish in the top four. Most clubs would have nothing to play for from around Christmas.

Domestic leagues will be devalued and it will only be a matter of time till the big teams push for more slice of the pie meaning the domestic leagues become even less competitive. Then they will think why bother with domestic leagues? Too many games little reward. Lets just have a super league.
The move is so transparent.

 

[Tucker]

It’s as if the people running football don’t really understand its appeal.

 

[Amo]

I just hope Spurs as a club doesn't lose sight of its wilder years.

 

[Tucker]

I just hope Spurs as a club doesn't lose sight of its wilder years.

I think that’s the problem though. Clubs like, City and Liverpool have just emerged from decades of not being guaranteed CL or success. Spurs too. They will all want to protect their investments etc. United could be heading into a similar period out of the sun. They too will want to try and insure they are in the CL.

 

[Lilbaz]

I think that’s the problem though. Clubs like, City and Liverpool have just emerged from decades of not being guaranteed CL or success. Spurs too. They will all want to protect their investments etc. United could be heading into a similar period out of the sun. They too will want to try and insure they are in the CL.

Also with almost guaranteed cl year after year the sponsorship deals will be a lot better for the big clubs too. Less for the smaller european teams.

 

[RichieS]

It doesn't say it in the article, but it seems as though you just have to ensure you never finish bottom 2 in your "group" in order to have perpetual "Champions League". I assume the founding members will be the 32 richest clubs so we'll be in there. How do you make space for the extra games though? Maybe a side-effect will be that the teams involved take their off the ball in their domestic leagues due to fixture congestion and we end up with more Leicester type events?

 

[Lilbaz]

It doesn't say it in the article, but it seems as though you just have to ensure you never finish bottom 2 in your "group" in order to have perpetual "Champions League". I assume the founding members will be the 32 richest clubs so we'll be in there. How do you make space for the extra games though? Maybe a side-effect will be that the teams involved take their off the ball in their domestic leagues due to fixture congestion and we end up with more Leicester type events?

Don't think there will be 'founding members'. The first year it will be the same qualificatiin process as now. It will only be the proceeding seasons that it will change with the relegation of the bottom 2 from the cl groups, and promotion of the el semi finalists. How the other other 4 teams from domestic leagues get in is unclear.

 

[LeParisien]

This is an absolutely terrible idea which is presumably an attempt to ward off a breakaway super league and make more money for the biggest teams in less wealthy leagues than the PL.

What we enjoy in the CL is not (just) watching the big teams but those moments where the unexpected happens.

The beauty of seeing big teams play each other is in its rarity.

Magic does not come from consolidating wealth and prestige to a small number of behemoths. It comes from competition and that competition comes from a levelling of the play field and an opportunity for well run clubs to occasionally achieve something magical. Nobody wants to see Juve play Bayern in the semis every fucking year.

 

[Flynn]

We could make CL knockout rounds every year until then and Arsenal become Thursday night mainstays and they'd still find their way into it over us.

 

[absolute bobbins]

"Some of the biggest clubs from the European continent are also thought to be calling for more European games to close the gap on clubs in the English Premier League and the feeling is they have repeatedly used the threat of a breakaway European Super League to extract greater concessions from Uefa."

This is the only reason for it. The Premier League is the most popular league in the world because it is the best product to audiences and rather than improving their national leagues, the Angnelli (Juve owner) run ECA want to weaken our game and the integrity and relative spectacle of European competition in the hope (and that is all it is) of increasing their revenue but further damaging their home markets.

Even if we were on the inside I'd hate this. It's a narrow minded, anti competition and exactly what I would expect.

 

[fluffybunnyuk]

I'd stop watching high level football if a closed shop like that formed. I'm not renewing my season ticket as it is. So nail coffin and final springs to mind.
Bunnys proposal. 4 leagues of 19.Lets call them euro 1,2,3,4 and promote/relegate between them.At the bottom of euro 4 i.e. relegation from euro league.You have a mini champions league of qualifiers(that years champions of national leagues).The finalists gain entry. So theres no closed shop.
In effect a super league but one that extracts all the bankrolled clubs winning national leagues like man city,psg,ajax,real,barca,juve. Do it on uefa coefficient.
Either you go whole-hog, or not at all.To go botched half and half is going to make it awful for real fans.Plastic fans will watch regardless.
Besides imagine the carnage of trying to avoid relegation from euro 1. Thatd probably be inter milans position.
The future, and it aint pretty.

 

[LSUY]

"Some of the biggest clubs from the European continent are also thought to be calling for more European games to close the gap on clubs in the English Premier League and the feeling is they have repeatedly used the threat of a breakaway European Super League to extract greater concessions from Uefa."

This is the only reason for it. The Premier League is the most popular league in the world because it is the best product to audiences and rather than improving their national leagues, the Angnelli (Juve owner) run ECA want to weaken our game and the integrity and relative spectacle of European competition in the hope (and that is all it is) of increasing their revenue but further damaging their home markets.

Even if we were on the inside I'd hate this. It's a narrow minded, anti competition and exactly what I would expect.

The sad thing is if the money's good enough England's top 6 will help them do it.

 

[Lilbaz]

I'd stop watching high level football if a closed shop like that formed. I'm not renewing my season ticket as it is. So nail coffin and final springs to mind.
Bunnys proposal. 4 leagues of 19.Lets call them euro 1,2,3,4 and promote/relegate between them.At the bottom of euro 4 i.e. relegation from euro league.You have a mini champions league of qualifiers(that years champions of national leagues).The finalists gain entry. So theres no closed shop.
In effect a super league but one that extracts all the bankrolled clubs winning national leagues like man city,psg,ajax,real,barca,juve. Do it on uefa coefficient.
Either you go whole-hog, or not at all.To go botched half and half is going to make it awful for real fans.Plastic fans will watch regardless.
Besides imagine the carnage of trying to avoid relegation from euro 1. Thatd probably be inter milans position.
The future, and it aint pretty.

Wouldn't want that either. All that will happen is the same that has had happened in most leagues in europe. You get one or two clubs dominating and the rest playing for scraps.

We need to make each domestic league more competitive. Smaller teams should be given more chance to compete and make money, not less.

 

[fluffybunnyuk]

The problem is the european clubs like juve hate the premier league. They think we scoop all the money. Last time we were dominant in europe we got banned. Last 2 years we've had the highest country coefficient in CL/EL. Fully expect it to continue so long as english clubs dont draw manchester city.
In fact i'm going to predict city win 4 out of 5 leagues in a row.At the end of that, I fully expect alot of annoyed fans to talk about the competitiveness.
Especially bearing in mind city are likely to throw another £100-200 millionat improving their squad this summer...
Totally agree lilbaz , just dont see it happening.

 

[Lilbaz]

The problem is the european clubs like juve hate the premier league. They think we scoop all the money. Last time we were dominant in europe we got banned. Last 2 years we've had the highest country coefficient in CL/EL. Fully expect it to continue so long as english clubs dont draw manchester city.
In fact i'm going to predict city win 4 out of 5 leagues in a row.At the end of that, I fully expect alot of annoyed fans to talk about the competitiveness.
Especially bearing in mind city are likely to throw another £100-200 millionat improving their squad this summer...
Totally agree lilbaz , just dont see it happening.

Unfortunately i agree. We will see more boltons going to the wall.

La liga and even italy have changed their tv deals to become more like the prems. Unfortunately in la liga no club can earn less from a new tv deal than they did before. Means it will take years for smaller clubs to close the gap. With cl and sponsorship the big clubs are still hoovering up.

We need politicians and the law to be changed to protect the football industry from ground up. But unsuprisingly they seem to protect the ones with the most money.

 

[tooey]

Why do the powers that be in football seem intent on reinventing the wheel. Sometimes the best action is inaction.

Here's an off the wall idea...Why don't we tighten up FFP rules and actually impose the sanctions that were suggested upon it's conception instead of allowing clubs to continue to flaunt the rules and manoeuvre work arounds.