Poch: In or Out? - You CAN change your vote

[richard_gleeson]

I desperately want Poch to be our manager and be guaranteed that he will be backed in the transfer windows to rebuild. It's obvious everything has gone really stale. 3 of the signings can't even play.

But... We all know that Levy won't back him properly. I don't care what anyone says, Poch wasn't fully backed in the last window. Late signings, players didn't leave, key positions still not dealt with...

Next 2 windows are so important for the future of the club. No excuses this time.

 

[rabbikeane]

A lot of the people who want Poch out didn't follow Spurs in the 90s and early 2000s.

Shouldn't let the past cripple us. Don't be afraid, that will only hold us back.

 

[dontcallme]

Almost thinking paying a subscription so I can read this

‘The place is a regime and they’re sick of him’ – are Pochettino, Levy or the players to blame for Spurs’ crisis?

This article from October revealed why Pochettino was frustrated at Spurs, how he had upset the players and what Levy was thinking....

theathletic.com

The place is a regime and they’re sick of him’ – are Pochettino, Levy or the players to blame for Spurs’ crisis?

There is a thread on the Athletic in General Chat. I subscribed and am very impressed by the levelof journalism. I get tired of the amount of sites posing as journalism but have no insight, talented writers or insider info. They just write click bait and stories that sound plausible with little basis on reality.

So a good site,giving good info without wasting time on other sites is worth a few quid to me.

 

[dontcallme]

I desperately want Poch to be our manager and be guaranteed that he will be backed in the transfer windows to rebuild. It's obvious everything has gone really stale. 3 of the signings can't even play.

But... We all know that Levy won't back him properly. I don't care what anyone says, Poch wasn't fully backed in the last window. Late signings, players didn't leave, key positions still not dealt with...

Next 2 windows are so important for the future of the club. No excuses this time.

How is players not leaving Levy's fault? Alderweireld has a buyout clause and we accepted an offer for Wanyama but he turned it down.

 

[guiltyparty]

Because they are not leveraging on the ads revenue they could muster.

The Athletic’s entire business model means they don’t run ads. Makes a really nice change as most football sites are unreadable on mobile nowadays

 

[richard_gleeson]

How is players not leaving Levy's fault? Alderweireld has a buyout clause and we accepted an offer for Wanyama but he turned it down.

Asking for way too much money for rubbish and overpricing players on low contracts

 

[yankspurs]

Almost thinking paying a subscription so I can read this

‘The place is a regime and they’re sick of him’ – are Pochettino, Levy or the players to blame for Spurs’ crisis?

This article from October revealed why Pochettino was frustrated at Spurs, how he had upset the players and what Levy was thinking....

theathletic.com

The place is a regime and they’re sick of him’ – are Pochettino, Levy or the players to blame for Spurs’ crisis?

Someone describing Levy as the Mike Ashley of the top of the league is pretty fucking damning. And the players do have a point. They were 2nd on 86 points and got no new contracts. Oh and, to the players, trust me you arent the only ones who Levy's annual salary didnt go down well with.

All in all, a pretty damning account of what is wrong with Tottenham. Everyone shares the blame. But IMO, it starts at the top. If ownership isnt willing to back the players or the manager, then what the fuck are they even doing? That just solidified my opinion, we'll always be dawdling around until we are sold. Seems Levy's become even more difficult with the budget. Our wages to turnover ratio still being where it is is ridiculous this day in age. Especially after what has happened with the club the last 5 years. It's worrying that it seems no one is interested in buying the club at the moment.

 

[rabbikeane]

How is players not leaving Levy's fault? Alderweireld has a buyout clause and we accepted an offer for Wanyama but he turned it down.

From the outside it seem to be a problem that no one is hands on in the transfermarket. Levy understandably not fully committed and Pochettino claim he has nothing to do with it at all, despite having changed from head coach to manager in job title.
Really would like a strong Director of Football again. Baldini didn't seem to work out overall, but he's been given credit and praised in our success in off loading players back then.
Who has kept an eye on contracts and allowed star players to expire theirs? Can't sell anyone that don't want to leave no, but take action early on and you can force them to either sign or be sold. No one want to sit in the stand for two years at their peak.

 

[Crow]

For what he's done for us he deserves to see out the season, in my opinion. He's been stubborn, but the way results have been going he knows he's going to have to change, and I personally want to see what he comes up with. If he doesn't do something soon then he won't last much longer, he's smart enough to know that.... I hope.

Truth be told I'm not confidant he will turn it around, but I feel he's earned the chance at least.

 

[rabbikeane]

Asking for way too much money for rubbish and overpricing players on low contracts

Mostly speculations, we've heard very little of concrete offers.
Wanyama got accepted, that was him not wanting to leave, any PL club could have signed him easy in the summer, no one wanted him.

 

[Erm33]

A lot of the people who want Poch out didn't follow Spurs in the 90s and early 2000s.

Speak for yourself!

I had a season ticket from 94 through to about 5 years ago and now live in the US.

I am aware how shit we were and painful it was to follow us back then. However we always had a mediocre squad with one or two bright spots that would make it somewhat bareable.

The way we are performing now is unacceptable with the resources available to Poch. The buck stops with him. We're losing way too much than what I'd acceptable and nothing will change overnight with him still in charge! That much is obvious. There's such a good chance this season to finish in the top 4 which should be the minimum target but we keep losing. By Poch's own admission he is expected to win some kind of trophy this season. The league is gone now. The league cup is gone. The CL may well go if our form doesn't improve ASAP. That leaves the FA cup next year and I wouldn't fancy us on right now to beat anyone away from home if we're drawn away.

Football like most sport is a confidence game. Poch has lost it. The players have lost it. The whole aura around the club is negative and poisonous. He needs to go and let some fresh air so we can not waste the whole season. If he goes and the right person steps in even in a caretaker role til the end of the season who can get the players confidence up, pick a system and really motivate those who are clearly disillusioned with playing for us and being managed by Poch then we can still have a good season. It's very easily turned into a good season if a positive change is made NOW.

 

[dontcallme]

Asking for way too much money for rubbish and overpricing players on low contracts

Again, Alderweireld has a buyout and we accepteda bid for Wanyama. That much we do know.

We don't know about any other offers so this assertion for the summer is baseless.

Fans should know by now that selling players takes a lot more than simply accepting a bid. Grown men should understand that there is more to negotiating and agreeing a big money deal is more in-depth than "they offered £10m but we wanted £12m so the deal didn't go through.

Despite whining about us not spending, those with a basic grip on reality know that our wage bill is considerably higher than those outisde the top six. So selling deadwood to teams below us means our players will likely take a paycut should they move. Which a basic levelof common sense would suggest the players might reject the moves.

Much easier to dumb it down to our board refusing offers though.

 

[guiltyparty]

Basically from that Athletic piece
- all the players are either fucked from the training regime or old and can’t run as hard as they used to anymore hence change in tactics to accommodate
- half the squad has either wanted to leave or was wanted out by Poch over last 2 years so it’s a very destabilised lot - we’ve needed a major clear out that never came
- Levy pocketing huge salaries while underpaying players has long been a sticking point in the dressing room (one player’s agent compares him to Mike Ashley)
- Poch has been distant from the squad since the CL final. His talking about leaving hasn’t gone down well either and players thought his new contract would come with commitments from Levy that haven’t been kept
- Brighton players commented on the near total silence between Spurs players during the game

 

[southlondonyiddo]

How does a fantastic manager like Poch become a shit manager?

The answer is, he doesn’t

Poch in - 100% if he’s backed. He knows what needs to be done

Poch out - 100% if nothing really changes. Without large investment and 'brave' decisions this group of players is finished with Poch at the helm. Another one of Levy’s dead men walking

 

[midoNdefoe]

16 matches left this calendar year. If those that still have faith in Poch and think we need to stick with and he'll fix it in January are to be believed. With the current results and even more worryingly, performances, continue then we'll have sacked off the season by then already. We'll be lucky to see any European football at all next season.

30m to sack him though. Isn't gonna happen. Poch has Levy by the balls

Hmmm so are you saying sack him and we can save the season??

He should be given at least the season, if not 2 in order to turn it around. That’s how backing a manager works. We needed a proper squad refresh in the summer having held off for so long. To me, that’s not necessarily a Poch issue.

Everything is shit at the moment though. I really hope we turn it around for everyone’s sake!

 

[rabbikeane]

For what he's done for us he deserves to see out the season, in my opinion.

Will set us back 2-3 years, also see Kane and Son leave.
Managers doesn't really deserve anything, they are professional and know the game. They are paid at an insane level to produce results (avg. SC member probably have to live 5 times to earn as much as Poch do in one year).
All decisions should be about what is the best for the club.

 

[dontcallme]

From the outside it seem to be a problem that no one is hands on in the transfermarket. Levy understandably not fully committed and Pochettino claim he has nothing to do with it at all, despite having changed from head coach to manager in job title.
Really would like a strong Director of Football again. Baldini didn't seem to work out overall, but he's been given credit and praised in our success in off loading players back then.
Who has kept an eye on contracts and allowed star players to expire theirs? Can't sell anyone that don't want to leave no, but take action early on and you can force them to either sign or be sold. No one want to sit in the stand for two years at their peak.

Good points. There is part of me that thinks we should embrace our place as a selling club.

If a player like Kane wants to stay then offer him a big contract. But if an Eriksen wants to go then put the word out that he could be available while he is on a high rather than waiting for a decline.

While I reject the idea that Levy refuses to spend I do think our transfer setup has been wrong. We need a constant conveyor belt of bringing in good talent and developing them. But several windows of not buying has made us stagnate.

 

[yankspurs]

Will set us back 2-3 years, also see Kane and Son leave.
Managers doesn't really deserve anything, they are professional and know the game. They are paid at an insane level to produce results (avg. SC member probably have to live 5 times to earn as much as Poch do in one year).
All decisions should be about what is the best for the club.

Levy's already set us back that long. A new manager wont change anything. A few key players are aging and have no reason to be motivated when they know they've been on the outs for 2 years and are now out of contract. We needed the clear out 2 years ago and Poch knew that. He asked for it. Levy's fucked us over and we are paying the price.

 

[rabbikeane]

How does a fantastic manager like Poch become a shit manager?

The answer is, he doesn’t

He hasn't become a shit manager, it's his situation at the club that has.
I'm sure he'll do well in his next job, just like Klopp did.
Both Spurs and Poch need this change

 

[guiltyparty]

Good points. There is part of me that thinks we should embrace our place as a selling club.

If a player like Kane wants to stay then offer him a big contract. But if an Eriksen wants to go then put the word out that he could be available while he is on a high rather than waiting for a decline.

While I reject the idea that Levy refuses to spend I do think our transfer setup has been wrong. We need a constant conveyor belt of bringing in good talent and developing them. But several windows of not buying has made us stagnate.

yep the Ajax way