Poch: In or Out? - You CAN change your vote

[nedley]

I was too young really, but didn't Alex Ferguson almost get the chop at United a few years in? Don't think he "lost the dressing room" mind.

For me it's less about loyalty, more about practicality. Firstly, it's going to effectively cost us all the champions league money just to sack him. Secondly, I can't stomach the alternatives. Out of the top 6 we're the poorest. So if we start playing them at their own game, as in back on the manager merry go round, it stands to reason we'll lose.

It may well be inevitable at this point, it certainly feels that way, but backing Poch is seemingly our only of hope of continuing to punch above our wait. So I'd gamble on that.

But like I've said to various people who have his backing, how CAN he recover from this?

People are saying that we should sack players, drop players etc. Is that really going to work. Is Levy capable of this overhaul. History suggests not.

If we are going to back Poch, casting aside Levys incompetence are the fans going to be happy to right off the season? Because this is what will have to happen. This isn't kneejerk. This is 18 loses in the last 40 games. Relegation form. 2 points from 8. It's not going to turn on its head anytime soon.

 

[tttcowan]

But like I've said to various people who have his backing, how CAN he recover from this?

People are saying that we should sack players, drop players etc. Is that really going to work. Is Levy capable of this overhaul. History suggests not.

If we are going to back Poch, casting aside Levys incompetence are the fans going to be happy to right off the season? Because this is what will have to happen. This isn't kneejerk. This is 18 loses in the last 40 games. Relegation form. 2 points from 8. It's not going to turn on its head anytime soon.

Well I think, if you can stomach the Brighton loss and our worst home defeat in history, and still be willing to give Poch the time, you're pretty much all in for the season.

Poch said it would be painful, he saw this coming, perhaps not to this extent, but he knew we were in trouble.

To dare is to do and all that, well the most daring thing to do in our current situation is stick with him and see if can come out the other side stronger. Players need moving on, tactics need changing, we need to get an identity again. I'd rather at least try to do that with Poch rather than the alternative.

If we play the others at their own game we will lose. So we have to continue to be different is my thinking. We fucked up, let it get stale, but we need to be smarter than paying 35 mill or whatever to sack the guy who got us so far.

 

[glacierSpurs]

I just cannot fathom for once why if Poch can 'see' this painful rebuild, (something PochIn camp seems to give him credit for) did he not come up with ways to manage or work around it, but continue to persist with the same approach to games and expect something positively different can happen.

His responses to our recent demise just seem to me it is his way of saying 'told ya'.

 

[spursfan77]

Problem is, I just don't see it getting any better. Lets be honest we have been poor since the turn of the year. The Champions league final paper overered the cracks and we were lucky to get there in the first place. Not sure why its gone so badly wrong but somethings not right with the club. I hope Poch can turn it around but i believe he would have done so already and the things he is trying are just not working.

Neither do I. It just feels like the end and I suspect deep down everyone knows it.

I’ve never seen so many threads on SC being about the manager staying/going, even when we had all the Redknapp and England shenanigans

 

[philll]

I'm all over the place with this. I'm now "Poch In" but he needs to put his foot down and stop playing certain players. Hopefully we have Foyth, Sessegnon and Lo Celso back after the break or soon after so he can freshen things up a bit.

 

[glacierSpurs]

Neither do I. It just feels like the end and I suspect deep down everyone knows it.

I’ve never seen so many threads on SC being about the manager staying/going, even when we had all the Redknapp and England shenanigans

It just goes to say either one will love him deeply or hate him badly. And that applies to the players too.

 

[spursfan77]

I was too young really, but didn't Alex Ferguson almost get the chop at United a few years in? Don't think he "lost the dressing room" mind.

For me it's less about loyalty, more about practicality. Firstly, it's going to effectively cost us all the champions league money just to sack him. Secondly, I can't stomach the alternatives. Out of the top 6 we're the poorest. So if we start playing them at their own game, as in back on the manager merry go round, it stands to reason we'll lose.

It may well be inevitable at this point, it certainly feels that way, but backing Poch is seemingly our only of hope of continuing to punch above our wait. So I'd gamble on that.

It could cost us next seasons if we don’t.

 

[John48]

He has to show he can turn it around or he'll be gone sooner rather than later. Our form is currently relegation form & if we start flirting with that end of the table rather than the top end the Board are likely to pull the trigger.

 

[glacierSpurs]

Read somewhere here the compensation package to sack him is around £30 million. Can anyone confirm it's really this ball park figure?

 

[Japhet]

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I just cannot fathom for once why if Poch can 'see' this painful rebuild, (something PochIn camp seems to give him credit for) did he not come up with ways to manage or work around it, but continue to persist with the same approach to games and expect something positively different can happen.

His responses to our recent demise just seem to me it is his way of saying 'told ya'.

He could certainly have managed things a whole lot better. His own ambiguous comments about his future, saying he wants players gone but then picking them each week, sticking to tactics and formations that simply don't work, failing to motivate a group of players who have the World at their feet, not addressing th most obvious transfer requirement.....the list goes on and on. I do feel some sympathy with him over the Eriksen situation though. CE said he'd sign a new contract if a big club didn't come in for him in the Summer, but that has proven to be bullshit and it seems to have destabilised the whole club. Should have kicked him to the curb for coming out with shit like that, but I know that if he done that and we'd had the results we've been getting, it would have 100% been down to ditching Eriksen on here.

 

[bloodzeed]

okay how long do you think levy will give him we lose at home to watford no way are we getting a result at Liverpool
safe to say for him watford is a must win

 

[Spurger King]

To inform as many as the big Clubs as possible that he'd be prepared to leave?

He could have said something similar any time after the final. The timing was idiotic.

 

[ardiles]

Out.

No consistency points to the culture in the squad and the coaching staff drives that. Well coached and managed squads achieve a baseline of performance so that even if you have a couple of poor runs, they do not continue for more than a handful of games.

We've lost half the effing games played this calendar year. This is 90's form.

Haven’t seen your posts for quite a while. I thought you were transferred to a league deep in Siberia.

 

[StevePil]

As mentioned on the other post, we have to get behind him as if he hasn't gone already, he is not going
This was the chance for Levy witht he 2 week break but clearly he is backing him to turn it round, but Watford is a must win.
we dont get top 4 this year though but maybe Levy accepting this season is a write off and will back poch in the summer (yeah right must hvae been drinking)

 

[glacierSpurs]

As mentioned on the other post, we have to get behind him as if he hasn't gone already, he is not going
This was the chance for Levy witht he 2 week break but clearly he is backing him to turn it round, but Watford is a must win.
we dont get top 4 this year though but maybe Levy accepting this season is a write off and will back poch in the summer (yeah right must hvae been drinking)

You guys should have known Levy by now. After our first full season in our shiny new stadium, how could he possibly accept us to not play a single European game next season?! The amount to be lost without the participation could come up to no less than the compensation sacking Poch!

 

[nedley]

Well I think, if you can stomach the Brighton loss and our worst home defeat in history, and still be willing to give Poch the time, you're pretty much all in for the season.

Poch said it would be painful, he saw this coming, perhaps not to this extent, but he knew we were in trouble.

To dare is to do and all that, well the most daring thing to do in our current situation is stick with him and see if can come out the other side stronger. Players need moving on, tactics need changing, we need to get an identity again. I'd rather at least try to do that with Poch rather than the alternative.

If we play the others at their own game we will lose. So we have to continue to be different is my thinking. We fucked up, let it get stale, but we need to be smarter than paying 35 mill or whatever to sack the guy who got us so far.

So who would be your team for Watford?

 

[ardiles]

Not sure if we really needed this thread. About half of the current most active threads have got posters discussing whether Poch should stay or leave.

Everywhere I look on SC, I find the same discussions

 

[rabbikeane]

Read somewhere here the compensation package to sack him is around £30 million. Can anyone confirm it's really this ball park figure?

Think that's what he's owed on his contract, as far as I know it's very common that won't be all payed out. Either they come to an agreement for compensation, or he's paid until he takes up a new job. If United take him immediately, it might not be much of a pay out at all.

 

[Misfit]

Haven’t seen your posts for quite a while. I thought you were transferred to a league deep in Siberia.

It would have been more peaceful if I had been! Just life becoming hectic. Much less time to do foruming these days.

Sadly the quality of my posts is still iffy but without the quantity.

Hope you've all been well, you lovely people.

 

[ardiles]

It would have been more peaceful if I had been! Just life becoming hectic. Much less time to do foruming these days.

Sadly the quality of my posts is still iffy but without the quantity.

Hope you've all been well, you lovely people.

With the dire situation we’re now facing at the club, your witty/humorous posts would be an uplift. Hope you’re back here on a regular basis.