Poch: In or Out? - You CAN change your vote

[spids]

Biggest problem here is that we have stuff wrong on a lot of levels.
Squad has received under investment. Think I heard £80m net spend in five years. Utd City £600m. That’s on Levy
We have too many players that have either gone stale, don’t want to be here or are incredibly bang out of form. Big signing. NDombele needs a year so settle I’m sure but on first looks he is a long long way of the Prem pace. Even if he’s shown a few good bits of footwork here and there he has been poor. Who knows on Lo Celso and Sess. No luck there.
And Poch isn’t blameless either. Tactics changed for every game and the diamond is apocalyptically bad.

Moving Poch on won’t change that much.
I’d much rather see Eriksen et al shifted ASAP. And at the very least an Rb signed in January.

Interesting watching Leicester atm. Young fresh vibrant. Good fullbacks. Opposite of us right now

You’ve totally contradicted yourself as Leicester have spent less than us. The difference is they have a manager the players respect and play for and an effective system they all buy into. Money has little to do with it (as Poch showed in his first three years).

 

[Gilzeanking]

I’m still in the ‘Stay’ camp. I want to see what we’re like with more of the squad available, especially his summer signings. I’m also not really convinced there’s a better option out there.

I think this misses the point slightly . The players aren't working for Poch .They aren't clearly listening to him . The old cliche 'lost dressing room' springs to mind .
Would they listen to someone like Allegri ? I'm inclined to think they would . Pep 'Players stop listening to a manager after 3 years'

 

[mike_l]

I think this misses the point slightly . The players aren't working for Poch .They aren't clearly listening to him . The old cliche 'lost dressing room' springs to mind .
Would they listen to someone like Allegri ? I'm inclined to think they would . Pep 'Players stop listening to a manager after 3 years'

I struggle to imagine any competent manager doing worse, and that's not me trying to say Poch is incompetent, but he does seem to have disappeared up his own arse and the players seem lost.

I mean come on, even Sherwood at least had us beating everyone bar the top 4 and he had a weaker squad, he would never get more out of the team but he achieved the minimum he should have. Right now that'd be third place. And I HATED having him in charge.

 

[nedley]

I can see that there are a few still backing Poch. I have huge admiration for this loyalty and support. Ultimately what the supporters feel mean little in the grand scheme of things.

The problem we have is the players aren't backing him. That is obvious and cannot be denied.

So my question is, are we just delaying the inevitable? And are there any examples of managers that have been in similar predicaments, turning it around?

I'm struggling to think

 

[Japhet]

Ironic in a sense that we should be able to use it against lesser opponents but as we saw in the Carabao, that's not always the case.

We should scrap that formation as a whole and only employ formations that work well consistently for the personal we have.

I agree. I hate the bloody diamond, but we played a different system v Brighton with the players people were begging for and if anything, it turned out even worse.

 

[allatsea]

This thread makes me so sad and in some ways ashamed to be a Spurs fan.

 

[nedley]

This thread makes me so sad and in some ways ashamed to be a Spurs fan.

Why ashamed?

 

[Gilzeanking]

Why ashamed?

Classic over-emotionality . Useless in a situation like ours . IF Poch leaves he will walk into another job with ease . He is a multimillionaire and a huge success (compared to 99.9% of managers) Don't worry about his future !

Its just business and this kind of confused bleeding heart attitude about things changing really is counterproductive.

 

[fecka]

I agree. I hate the bloody diamond, but we played a different system v Brighton with the players people were begging for and if anything, it turned out even worse.

I wasn't able to watch the game due to work but did we really play a different system or was it just the formation that changed?

 

[Japhet]

I wasn't able to watch the game due to work but did we really play a different system or was it just the formation that changed?

It was more like a 4231 (that people were crying out for) from what I could see. It was all just so static though that whoever had the ball couldn't find a pass because nobody was showing for it. I can stand most things but I had to turn this one off. I think Hugo's early fuck up and horrible injury sent the whole team into some sort of shock because we were absolutely useless, even by recent standards.

 

[fecka]

It was more like a 4231 (that people were crying out for) from what I could see. It was all just so static though that whoever had the ball couldn't find a pass because nobody was showing for it. I can stand most things but I had to turn this one off. I think Hugo's early fuck up and horrible injury sent the whole team into some sort of shock because we were absolutely useless, even by recent standards.

So in the end we tried to play the same way but with a different formation. Is that on Poch or the players?

 

[Mr Pink]

I’m still in the ‘Stay’ camp. I want to see what we’re like with more of the squad available, especially his summer signings. I’m also not really convinced there’s a better option out there.

That’s not to say I don’t have reservations. He makes such a big deal about loyalty and team spirit, then tells everyone he might quit Spurs on the eve of one of the biggest games in our history. That’s a poor message to send out, and an unnecessary one as well. What possible purpose did it serve to state that publicly?

To inform as many as the big Clubs as possible that he'd be prepared to leave?

 

[richard_gleeson]

Just watched MOTD which only shows highlights but the only action in the final third was created by Lamela and Lucas. Surely it's time Lucas got regular 90 minutes.

 

[tototoner]

So in the end we tried to play the same way but with a different formation. Is that on Poch or the players?

It's easier to get shot of 1 manager than numerous players unfortunately

I don't know how many of the current squad don't believe in the manager any more but its obvious some don't, hence the lacklustre performances and results.

Not gonna lie I am not looking forward to watching Pochettino be a success somewhere else with a squad of players that believe in him.

 

[fecka]

It's easier to get shot of 1 manager than numerous players unfortunately

I don't know how many of the current squad don't believe in the manager any more but its obvious some don't, hence the lacklustre performances and results.

Not gonna lie I am not looking forward to watching Pochettino be a success somewhere else with a squad of players that believe in him.

That's football though. There's been what, a handful of managers who's truly been a success for 6 years or longer?
Psychology and leadership is complex and refreshing management is usually a lot easier, succesful and not to mention cost effective approach instead of refreshing the whole squad.

 

[thePessimist]

Just watched MOTD which only shows highlights but the only action in the final third was created by Lamela and Lucas. Surely it's time Lucas got regular 90 minutes.

To be fair to Poch, it’s not like Lucas has consistently delivered quality performances. There are good games here and there but overall he’s very inconsistent

 

[Metalhead]

To be fair to Poch, it’s not like Lucas has consistently delivered quality performances. There are good games here and there but overall he’s very inconsistent

Maybe it's a catch-22 where he needs more game time to build up that consistency.

 

[Metalhead]

I can see that there are a few still backing Poch. I have huge admiration for this loyalty and support. Ultimately what the supporters feel mean little in the grand scheme of things.

The problem we have is the players aren't backing him. That is obvious and cannot be denied.

So my question is, are we just delaying the inevitable? And are there any examples of managers that have been in similar predicaments, turning it around?

I'm struggling to think

Thing is though that support him or not, it really doesn't matter. It's what Levy wants to do that counts. I would err on the side of him not making a move to sack him at this point but in this crazy world of football, who knows?

 

[sammyj]

100% back him and sack the players who don't want to play for us

 

[tttcowan]

I can see that there are a few still backing Poch. I have huge admiration for this loyalty and support. Ultimately what the supporters feel mean little in the grand scheme of things.

The problem we have is the players aren't backing him. That is obvious and cannot be denied.

So my question is, are we just delaying the inevitable? And are there any examples of managers that have been in similar predicaments, turning it around?

I'm struggling to think

I was too young really, but didn't Alex Ferguson almost get the chop at United a few years in? Don't think he "lost the dressing room" mind.

For me it's less about loyalty, more about practicality. Firstly, it's going to effectively cost us all the champions league money just to sack him. Secondly, I can't stomach the alternatives. Out of the top 6 we're the poorest. So if we start playing them at their own game, as in back on the manager merry go round, it stands to reason we'll lose.

It may well be inevitable at this point, it certainly feels that way, but backing Poch is seemingly our only of hope of continuing to punch above our wait. So I'd gamble on that.