From Kevin Scott, ON FTL via COYS

[Dangerous_Clive]

Part of my job is to experiment with different types of perfomance nutrition. After years of trial/error/more research/trial/error/more research, about 18 months ago I began using what I consider to be the best pre-match meal.

Which was a protein shake along with some properly timed carbs :think:.

Stuck with it ever since.

Oh, sorry, I mean Ramos Out!

 

[Bonjour]

I usually have a bowl of porridge and a banana on the morning of a match. Plus sometimes one of those nutriment shakes a couple of hours before the game.

 

[Dangerous_Clive]

Sounds good. It varies from person to person what the ideal pre-match intake is.

What some people don't realise is that every gram of carbohydrate consumed drags extra water into the muscles. So in a sense no player will want to have a pre-match meal dense with carbs as he will be carrying around quite a few extra pounds of water during the game. Heavy and slow.

 

[General Levy]

Protein isn't really what you need pre-match - you need simple, easily utilisable, carbs. Dietary protein accounts for 16% of an average person's energy intake - the other 84% comes from sugars, starches etc. Carbs are what athletes need pre-match - complex carbs the night before, plenty of fuel to be converted overnight into ATP & Glycogen, loading the muscles up chemical potential energy for the next day - top up with some starches and sugars at a pre-match meal, leaving enough time for digestion, then take sugars and salts in fluid during the match to keep blood sugar levels up and stave off dehydration. Post-match, protein will help re-build damaged muscle fibers.

The players eeem to be complaining about going into matches hungry and with low energy levels - of course you don't want to have a belly-full of food before a match - but you need to have taken on enough carbs in the 24 before a match so that the body has enough time to convert sugars into the units of internal energy currency (ie. glycogen, ATP etc). Taking on a load of protein pre-match then trying to use that as an immediate energy source is just lunacy.

what would you suggest are good meals for the night before a game and for during the day before a game?

 

[tippspur59]

Whats stopping the players from having a big fat burger with chips when there at home in there house, who's going to know...

 

[t7ny]

Believe half of what you see and nothing of what you hear. If this was true it would be plastered all over the place in every media it would not be ITK!!
Most of it either looks nonsense or misunderstood to me.

Sometimes a little knowledge is more dangerous than no knowledge, the brain starts to fill in the gaps etc......

 

[Rupstoh]

Believe half of what you see and nothing of what you hear. If this was true it would be plastered all over the place in every media it would not be ITK!!
Most of it either looks nonsense or misunderstood to me.

Sometimes a little knowledge is more dangerous than no knowledge, the brain starts to fill in the gaps etc......

Have you not seen the papers today?

I give up!

 

[Rupstoh]

Part of my job is to experiment with different types of perfomance nutrition. After years of trial/error/more research/trial/error/more research, about 18 months ago I began using what I consider to be the best pre-match meal.

Which was a protein shake along with some properly timed carbs :think:.

Stuck with it ever since.

Oh, sorry, I mean Ramos Out!

:duh:

 

[Stoof]

Protein isn't really what you need pre-match - you need simple, easily utilisable, carbs. Dietary protein accounts for 16% of an average person's energy intake - the other 84% comes from sugars, starches etc. Carbs are what athletes need pre-match - complex carbs the night before, plenty of fuel to be converted overnight into ATP & Glycogen, loading the muscles up chemical potential energy for the next day - top up with some starches and sugars at a pre-match meal, leaving enough time for digestion, then take sugars and salts in fluid during the match to keep blood sugar levels up and stave off dehydration. Post-match, protein will help re-build damaged muscle fibers.

The players eeem to be complaining about going into matches hungry and with low energy levels - of course you don't want to have a belly-full of food before a match - but you need to have taken on enough carbs in the 24 before a match so that the body has enough time to convert sugars into the units of internal energy currency (ie. glycogen, ATP etc). Taking on a load of protein pre-match then trying to use that as an immediate energy source is just lunacy.

I didn't think that was their main energy intake before a game - that wouldn't make sense. I suggested that was their regular mid-week diet. Which is perfectly natural and sustinent (sp?? - boozy excuse) for the week's exercise.

In other words - the last thing that they can blame is their diet, when they can't easily pass to their teammate in the stripey socks.

 

[Delboy10]

I didn't think that was their main energy intake before a game - that wouldn't make sense. I suggested that was their regular mid-week diet. Which is perfectly natural and sustinent (sp?? - boozy excuse) for the week's exercise.

In other words - the last thing that they can blame is their diet, when they can't easily pass to their teammate in the stripey socks.

Here's exactly where the problem is! Those flaming stripey socks have jinxed us!:evil:

 

[thfcsteff]

I'm sorry, pathetic. All of it. The diet is absolutely fine, it's their fucking mental attitude that needs sorting out. Too many who are not prepared to fight and 'play ugly' to grit out a few results and get confidence. Too few who can lead. The lack of striking options does not help, and the fact that our current 'main' striker is confidence-driven (Bent that is)...it's all just hyperbole whipped up because things aren't going well...

As for Bently, if he said anything like this then I would suggest he fucks off and re-evaluates what HE can do about HIS performances first and foremost...

 

[Teofilo-Stevenson]

Sounds good. It varies from person to person what the ideal pre-match intake is.

What some people don't realise is that every gram of carbohydrate consumed drags extra water into the muscles. So in a sense no player will want to have a pre-match meal dense with carbs as he will be carrying around quite a few extra pounds of water during the game. Heavy and slow.

Yes, your muscles will weigh marginally more loaded up with sugars (carbs) bound to water - BUT (and its a huge but) what do you think happens when you use protien as an energy source? Exactly the same thing! The protiens are converted to glucose and that binds with water just the same.


So you can either be adequately fuelled and carry the bit of extra weight that comes from metabolising carbs - or go into a match with below optimal energy levels but carring a tiny bit less weight. Personally, I think there is no point being lean and light if you're destined to be knackered after half an hour due to lack of carbs in the previous 24 hours.

 

[Teofilo-Stevenson]

I usually have a bowl of porridge and a banana on the morning of a match. Plus sometimes one of those nutriment shakes a couple of hours before the game.

Porridge and Banana are spot on as a morning pre-match meal IMO - the protien shake probalby contains a lot of maltodextrin which is, in effect a complex sugar - ie. more carbs.

The protien in the shake will be having almost no bearing on your energy levels if taken only 2 hrs prior, (and besides, the end result is the same as carbs when protien is used as an energy source as its converted to glucose anyway) - it'll be the maltodextrin in the shake that leaves you feeling full of beans pre-match.

So in honesty, a lot of people who swear by protien as a pre-match energy source are, actually, unbeknownst to them, still loading up on carbs anyway in the form of maltodextrin.

Pre-match is all about hydration plus the right carbs at the right time, in the right quantities. It really is that simple - if our players are going into matches tired it MUST be a matter of not getting thier carb intake right

 

[Teofilo-Stevenson]

I didn't think that was their main energy intake before a game - that wouldn't make sense. I suggested that was their regular mid-week diet. Which is perfectly natural and sustinent (sp?? - boozy excuse) for the week's exercise.

In other words - the last thing that they can blame is their diet, when they can't easily pass to their teammate in the stripey socks.

I read (somewhere) that the players were prevented from eating a traditional pre-match meal 5 hours before KO and were forced to take on protein based shakes instead. Ok the protein shakes are bound to be loaded with maltodextrin, but if some player's matabolisms need a heavier dose of carbs closer to KO they should be allowed to take on the extra carbs that leave them with enough energy.

As someone already said here, everyone's body work on a diffrerent time-line when it comes to digesting & metabolising carbs. To impose a hard and fast rule about pre-match eating is stupid if it clearly doens't work for some of our players. Players know their own bodies and know when they get knackered too soon because they don't have enough energy on board before KO.

 

[senseispab]

i dont believe that for one second.

Point 3 is true. Ramos has said that himself.