ENIC...

[easley91]

Me if/when we finish the transfer window with a flourish of Vinicius and Skriniar:

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I hate you, I have this saved ready ?

 

[southlondonyiddo]

This window looks excellent but in hindsight will it be any better than the Bale money window?

Time will tell

Eriksen
Soldado
Chiriches
Capoue
Lamela
Chadli
Paulinho

 

[RichieS]

I don't know what there is to be smug about though, what ENIC have done this window is do exactly what the detractors have been complaining they do not do. Infact a lot of people who have staunchly defended ENIC to the hilt have over and over again justified why they couldn't and shouldn't do it and now are claiming moral victory despite their argument being undermined?

I'm not anti-enic by any stretch of the imagination but I'm also not a BSODL but I can clearly see the reason ENIC are being rightly praised this summer is because they've gone against their previous MO as opposed to vindicating their previous approach.

My position has always been that they would spend when everything else was in place and that seems to be what is happening, ergo I am taking the opportunity to be smug. There are many people on the "other side" who seem(ed) to think that ENIC would continue "penny pinching" in this new era.

It's tongue in cheek really.

 

[tiger666]

In hindsight this window seems excellent but is it any better than the Bale money window?

Time will tell

Eriksen
Soldado
Chiriches
Capoue
Lamela
Chadli
Paulinho

Well we haven't sold our best player to finance it for a start

 

[BigAl]

I don’t think any of us can complain with this window. We all wanted a RB, LB, DCM and a Kane back up. 5 that can play CB already and a massive Bale cherry on top. Have we had more organised and complete transfer windows?

 

[southlondonyiddo]

Well we haven't sold our best player to finance it for a start

Very true..

 

[tiger666]

I don’t think any of us can complain with this window. We all wanted a RB, LB, DCM and a Kane back up. 5 that can play CB already and a massive Bale cherry on top. Have we had more organised and complete transfer windows?

No, not in my lifetime. Weird feeling, there's usually an air of doom about the place.

 

[HodisGawd]

Are people still banging on about Enic???

 

[wrd]

I was on the verge of turning to the dark side.

Then.....

Spoiler: ?

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Haha understandable during the moment as it sounded like we were backing out, but he did what needed to be done. In my opinion Levy has done fantastic since last summer and has built on it to another level this summer, it's brilliant. I'm just saying that people seem more concerned with their side winning than what actually transpired, not Richie he was just joking but just in general. If anything the people who were critical should feel vindicated if we win things this season as ENIC finally did what they've been crying for.

 

[tiger666]

Are people still banging on about Enic???

Well, it's the Enic thread.

 

[Led's Zeppelin]

I don't know what there is to be smug about though, what ENIC have done this window is do exactly what the detractors have been complaining they do not do. Infact a lot of people who have staunchly defended ENIC to the hilt have over and over again justified why they couldn't and shouldn't do it and now are claiming moral victory despite their argument being undermined?

I'm not anti-enic by any stretch of the imagination but I'm also not a BSODL but I can clearly see the reason ENIC are being rightly praised this summer is because they've gone against their previous MO as opposed to vindicating their previous approach.

But it’s not necessarily against their MO.

Of course, if you firmly believe without room for any doubt that it was always ENIC refusing to sign players because they just didn’t want to spend money, rather than their ever being another reason, then yes, you might think in the last couple of windows they‘ve changed their approach. And you. Isn’t be correct. But you might not be.

If you think there might have been other reasons, as many do and have often explained here, or even accept that you don’t know the full story, then you can’t be sure that anything has changed in terms of their modus operandum. Because you don’t know what it is.

So no one’s argument is undermined. It’s still opinions.

 

[Neon_Knight_]

This window looks excellent but in hindsight will it be any better than the Bale money window?

Time will tell

Eriksen
Soldado
Chiriches
Capoue
Lamela
Chadli
Paulinho

As this is the ENIC thread, I'm going to start by pointing out that we've spent a ton of money this window (it will be a significant net loss even after inevitable sales), whereas we made a net profit the summer Bale left. This shows a different level of intent from the owners (in theory we could have paid more for higher calibre players in 2013).

In the Summer 2013 window we sold our star player (Bale) and attempted to compensate for this by overhauling our squad with lots of slight upgrades. People seem to forget that Bale was one of eight first team players sold that summer. Any new signing that didn't work out or took a while to settle resulted in our starting XI being weaker than in the previous season.

This window is so much better because we haven't sold any key players and are purely adding quality and depth to what we already have. Three first team players have left, but none of them were starting XI. If any of the new signings don't work out or take time to settle, our starting XI will still be as strong as last season.

Aside from all of that, one window ended without Bale and the other ends with Bale...isn't it obvious which is better?

 

[fishhhandaricecake]

This window looks excellent but in hindsight will it be any better than the Bale money window?

Time will tell

Eriksen
Soldado
Chiriches
Capoue
Lamela
Chadli
Paulinho

This was meant as a joke right? ?

I think you compare those names to the pens we’ve signed this summer and it shows how ENIC have brought the club forwards leaps and bounds even just since then 7 yrs ago we are a complexly different beast now.

they gone out this window and properly backed the manager with sensible signings of players of proven quality in positions we actually needed to strengthen which is what many of us have been asking for years and years, it’s finally happened and then some all in one massive go this summer, absolouelty about time and absolouelty buzzing about it.

Onwards and upwards now let’s start filling up that trophy cabinet again.

 

[Led's Zeppelin]

@[email protected] , I’d be interested to know what argument you believe has been undermined by Spurs activities in this transfer window.

 

[[email protected]]

@[email protected] , I’d be interested to know what argument you believe has been undermined by Spurs activities in this transfer window.

I just disagree with your statement that this transfer window is "not necessarily against their (ENIC's) MO". This level of spending/incomings is completely atypical. It in no way resembles previous ENIC windows which more often than not are characterised by a minimum net spend, a sell-to-buy policy, or the sale of a significant "asset" like Bale, Berbatov, or Kean in order to fund significant incomings. This has NOT been your average, run-of-the-mill window under ENIC. And to claim otherwise is a little disingenuous mate. Personally, I couldn't be more delighted. This is easily the best transfer window I can remember; not least for all the reasons this window has diverged from the typical ENIC transfer policy MO. Let's hope it does become the norm moving forward.

 

[JCRD]

This window has been great, and better than most of us could have imagined. I do however think given that in reality we have bale on a loan, vinicius on a loan, in effect Reggie on loan... These essentially could be short term fixes and next summer we could effectively need to go through this process again.

Not a criticism but merely something I just thought of after all the hysteria and excitement and masturbation

 

[sausage]

I just disagree with your statement that this transfer window is "not necessarily against their (ENIC's) MO". This level of spending/incomings is completely atypical. It in no way resembles previous ENIC windows which more often than not are characterised by a minimum net spend, a sell-to-buy policy, or the sale of a significant "asset" like Bale, Berbatov, or Kean in order to fund significant incomings.

The 'Keane' sale is a bit of a muddled one, as we bought him back 3 months after we'd sold him. This is our history of windows with ENIC.

Season: ( spent - sold = net ) (Significant asset sold)
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01/02: 13.5 - 5.5 = £8m
02/03: 13.25 - 0.25 = £13m
03/04: 14.25 - 0 = £14.25m
04/05: 16.5 - 11.5 = £5m
05/06: 34.4 - 16.65 = £17.75m
06/07: 48.9 - 25.1 = £23.8m (Carrick)
07/08: 48.7 - 14.75 = £33.95m
08/09: 87.2 - 67.75 = £19.45m (Berbatov)
09/10: 32 - 33 = -£1m
10/11: 18.5 - 1 = £17.5m

Decade total: £327.2m spent, £175.5m sold, £151.7m net spend

11/12: 8 - 35 = -£27m
12/13: 61.5 - 62.8 = -£1.3m (Modric)
13/14: 103.7 - 120 = -£16.3m (Bale)
14/15: 27.95 - 29.2 = -£1.25m
15/16: 53.5 - 61.35 = -£7.85m
16/17: 68.8 - 41.1 = £27.7m
17/18: 112.5 - 87.75 = £24.75m (Walker*)
18/19: 0 - 11 = -£11m
19/20: 133.5 - 58 = £75m
20/21: 88.5 - 12 = £76.5m (not including potential future fees of ~£90m for Gedson and CV)

Decade total: £657.95m spent, £518.2 sold, £139.75m net spend

(*Walker is not really like the others as Poch wanted him sold and had pretty much stopped playing him, but he's there anyway)

So the ENIC total to date is roughly £1bn worth of transfer fees spent, at a net of roughly £290m. 'Inflation' in football makes it harder to perceive the earlier spends in 'todays money', but I haven't bother to do anything with that other than just give it 'as it was'.


All I'm doing here is presenting data, so I know you really like to 'disagree' or negative rate most of the stuff I post on this subject, so there's actually nothing but data here (e.g. no opinion to disagree with). It gives people the opportunity to make a more informed decision about whether not this season is an outlier.

All I will say is that you could assume a link with where we started the NDP with Lilywhite House & the CPO around 2012.

 

[SandroClegane]

Proud to have always been a BSoDL. Absolutely incredible window, Daniel Levy masterclass.

 

[yankspurs]

It's been a really, really good window. Im not a Levy guy but you cant fault the job he's done here. Got all our needs filled before deadline day and is still after a quality CB who would really shore up our back line. Have a feeling we might have 2 deadline day permanent signings (Skriniar & Gedson).

 

[Marauder]

Let's be fair we have only bought a couple of cheapos Hojbjerg and Doherty and only one decent mid range signing Reguilon (when I say decent I mean money-wise). Real quality doesn't come cheap even in a Covid world. We haven't bought Bale nor Vinicius, they could be with us for just 8 months. So the total of all these we actually spent on just one player last summer - Ndombele (and Ndombele is quality). So it has been a decent window (especially because the last few years we are used to piss poor ones) but let's not get carried away like we are suddenly a Ch£l$ki or a Man Shitty or a Manure with the purse strings.

So a proven quality CB should be very much affordable by us, and an absolute must this window. Otherwise, all the good work this window will be undone. Do you think we can win something with an iconic but sadly geriatric now Alderweireld, a CM playing CB, and not even going to mention Sanchez. Ben Davies a CB