The Managerial Merry-go-round

[dontcallme]

I think that you're being a bit harsh to say that Poch doesn't give a toss about the fans but people need to realise that professionals don't see loyalties from the same perspective as fans (there may be some exceptions but few and far between). Poch is entitled to go where he wants.

Poch is absolutely free to go where he wants. When considering a job though he would have to take the rivalry into account. His decision on whether those factors are important to him or not.

 

[Shadydan]

Stranger things have happened. Fans are misguided about the "loyalty" they think Managers and players have towards their club. If you told a Gooner in the early 90's that by the end of the decade George Graham would be Spurs manager they'd have laughed at you. Graham was Arsenal through and through. Now we have Mourinho as our Manager etc.

Poch doesn't really give a toss about Spurs, and even less about the fans. It is a job to him, or as he so often used to put it "a project". If one of the big boys don't come in for him and Arsenal offer him the right incentives, he'd be there like a shot.

Not sure you've read this but:

But I am an Espanyol supporter. I don’t think I need to speak too much. It’s like if one day [the Tottenham chairman] Daniel Levy sacked me – in a few years it would be impossible for me to manage Arsenal. In football I know it is so difficult to keep your values and to be loyal – with your heart and emotion. But for me before being a manager, before being a player, being loyal is more important. I am an Espanyol fan. I love Espanyol. It’s like Tottenham for me now. It will be impossible, one day, to move to Arsenal. It will be impossible.

 

[Tucker]

A good mate of mine is a Norwich fan. So I heard a lot about how Lambert did a good job at Colchester then took Norwich from league 1 to the Prem in two seasons before doing a very good job in his 1 season in the Prem with Norwich. He then left for Villa. I said at the time this was a suicidal move. While Villa are a bigger club they had a shit squad, no money and high fan expectations.

I see the Everton move as similar except they have some backing. Bournemouth has a better team than Everton and have similar finances. Last financial terms had Bournemouth 11th in the Prem for turnover and Everton 10th.

If Howe wants to progress his career then he can win a trophy or make a proper step up, Everton isn't anymore.

It’s a fair comparison, however Villa were in a negative spiral long before Lambert took over, they were a basket case once Lerner lost interest.

The trouble with Bournemouth is they aren’t going to get any better than they already are, they don’t have the stadium or the backing to go any further imo. Everton have plans for a big new stadium and a billionaire owner. In theory they would be a good opportunity for any up and coming coach.

 

[dontcallme]

It’s a fair comparison, however Villa were in a negative spiral long before Lambert took over, they were a basket case once Lerner lost interest.

The trouble with Bournemouth is they aren’t going to get any better than they already are, they don’t have the stadium or the backing to go any further imo. Everton have plans for a big new stadium and a billionaire owner. In theory they would be a good opportunity for any up and coming coach.

Villa were certainly in a much worse position than Everton are.

If Howe wanted to go to Everton now it should be with the long term plan. My understanding is the stadium plans are very early in their development.

But I think Howe could do more for his career by going abroad or taking on a bigger club than Everton.

 

[allatsea]

Villa were certainly in a much worse position than Everton are.

If Howe wanted to go to Everton now it should be with the long term plan. My understanding is the stadium plans are very early in their development.

But I think Howe could do more for his career by going abroad or taking on a bigger club than Everton.

If I were Everton I would be concerned with some of Howe's transfer decisions. He has bought some real crap from Liverpool and paid good money for them as well.

 

[LSUY]

Eddie Howe is an Everton fan so he'll probably jump at the chance to manage his boyhood team.

Plus, Everton is a bigger club than Bournemouth. If Howe wants his career to progress then he needs to manage a club that can consistently push for European football and Everton's in a better position to do that than Bournemouth.

 

[dontcallme]

Eddie Howe is an Everton fan so he'll probably jump at the chance to manage his boyhood team.

Plus, Everton is a bigger club than Bournemouth. If Howe wants his career to progress then he needs to manage a club that can consistently push for European football and Everton's in a better position to do that than Bournemouth.

As previously stated Everton's turnover is 10th highest in the Prem and Bournemouth are 11th.

Everton Net spend:
2019/20 - £35m
2018/19 - £67m
2017/18 - £69m

Bournemouth net spend:
2019/20 - £19m
2018/19 - £62m
2017/18 - £30m

So Everton are outspending Bournemouth. At the moment I would have the normal top 6 and Wolves and Leicester to be in a better position than Everton.

Everton can have the expectations of qualifying for Europe but realistically they are in the 9th best position. High expectations without the setup to succeed makes the job a risky one.

 

[spursfan77]

Can see Howe at Everton but he's very settled on the south coast.

 

[Chris Finch]

I think Everton should be all over Howe tbh.
I also think it would be a great move for him.
Everton remind me of us just before we appointed Poch

 

[Hakkz]

If I were Everton I would be concerned with some of Howe's transfer decisions. He has bought some real crap from Liverpool and paid good money for them as well.

Well that would certainly stop if he took over Everton.

 

[Shadydan]

It’s a fair comparison, however Villa were in a negative spiral long before Lambert took over, they were a basket case once Lerner lost interest.

The trouble with Bournemouth is they aren’t going to get any better than they already are, they don’t have the stadium or the backing to go any further imo. Everton have plans for a big new stadium and a billionaire owner. In theory they would be a good opportunity for any up and coming coach.

I think that's the key, they have massive ambitions, looking to build an excellent stadium and have an owner who is willing to spend consistently, no reason why they shouldn't be doing what Leicester are doing now for example.

 

[LSUY]

As previously stated Everton's turnover is 10th highest in the Prem and Bournemouth are 11th.

Everton Net spend:
2019/20 - £35m
2018/19 - £67m
2017/18 - £69m

Bournemouth net spend:
2019/20 - £19m
2018/19 - £62m
2017/18 - £30m

So Everton are outspending Bournemouth. At the moment I would have the normal top 6 and Wolves and Leicester to be in a better position than Everton.

Everton can have the expectations of qualifying for Europe but realistically they are in the 9th best position. High expectations without the setup to succeed makes the job a risky one.

But Everton's history, training facilities and academy are superior to Bournemouth's. If the owners are willing to financially back the right manager then there will be little to prevent Everton from competing for a top 7 finish in the coming years whereas a club like Bournemouth requires a much more long term build.

 

[wirE]

But Everton's history, training facilities and academy are superior to Bournemouth's. If the owners are willing to financially back the right manager then there will be little to prevent Everton from competing for a top 7 finish in the coming years whereas a club like Bournemouth requires a much more long term build.

Yeah but looking at what Everton has bought, it's just a bunch of previous talents and Cenk Tosun. I think their transfers over the past season looks a bit like what we spent when Bale left.

 

[nailsy]

I think they've made some good signings, but the manager is wasting what he's got . What the hell are they doing with Moise Kean?

 

[Danners9]

Things you didn't expect to read in 2019.

 

[Yiddo100]

Apparently Nuno off to arsenal, surely they could get a bigger name than him

 

[rossdapep]

Apparently Nuno off to arsenal, surely they could get a bigger name than him

Should stay at Wolves and do what Leicester are doing. Wolves are a much more settled team than Arsenal.

 

[dontcallme]

Apparently Nuno off to arsenal, surely they could get a bigger name than him

Source?

 

[peteblue]

I heard this too, not sure if it is true or not, I live in the West Midlands and the Wolves fans I know are saying Nuno will never leave Wolves to go to Arsenal.

 

[yankspurs]

Source?

Best i could see is some random arsenal fan account called arsenal media on twitter trying to pass himself off as itk saying Poch is 1st choice and nunos 2nd but poch is difficult and they’ve already talked to poch’s agent. Apparently he hasnt gotten the memo that Poch doesnt have an agent.

IMO, they’ll appoint Arteta or Vieira. They are simply not an attractive club for a top manager anymore. The squad is shit, they spend extremely poorly and if they lose out on CL again this season, they’ll be really fucked in the summer after stumping up the cash last summer without CL. They spent £75m on a guy who looks like the 3rd coming of N’Jie and GKN.