Match Threads Spurs vs Liverpool - Match Thread - Champions League Final

[ljinko888]

Liverpool are a better team than us, they were clear favorites, and did what they had to do.

The latter part is what gets me. The biggest game in our history and we are on terms for 29 seconds. Should Sissoko have lifted his arm so pronounced? No, but it was unintentional contact via his chest. If the referee waves that off I strongly doubt VAR overrules it because it is not a clear or obvious error.

The boys gave it a decent go without really banging on the door. But three weeks of preparation went out of the window after 29 seconds.

That is what hurts me most. Someone had to lose, and I can take losing, but that was so cruel.

 

[slartibartfast]

Liverpool are a better team than us, they were clear favorites, and did what they had to do.

The latter part is what gets me. The biggest game in our history and we are on terms for 29 seconds. Should Sissoko have lifted his arm so pronounced? No, but it was unintentional contact via his chest. If the referee waves that off I strongly doubt VAR overrules it because it is not a clear or obvious error.

The boys gave it a decent go without really banging on the door. But three weeks of preparation went out of the window after 29 seconds.

That is what hurts me most. Someone had to lose, and I can take losing, but that was so cruel.

I said something similar last night. Getting beat is one thing. Shooting yourself in the foot is another.
I had us down to go a goal behind in the first 20min. We dont start games well and some usually makes a cataclysmic fk up early on. It was Sissoko this time. A harsh decision yes but a fking idiotic thing to do, standing in the goal area with your arm straight out.
Still it was a great achievement to get there and its been a good season all in all.

 

[Everlasting Seconds]

I think the penalty, which I still think was a wrong decision, sealed the outcome of the final
I think we didn't play well in attack and looked fragmented and imprecise
I think we didn't nail the starting line-up

That's why we lost. I short, we weren't good enough and we had one harsh blow of bad luck.

 

[TURKISH69]

I mean it doesn’t matter where his arm was natural or unnatural, it would still have hit it. I’m fact if his arm was by his side it probably would have hit it before his chest ironically

The reason why we lost is not the penalty against us, it was due to our players letting us all down my not motivating themselves for the biggest game of their lives. Eriksen,Ali,Son and Kane were 4,5,5,and 4 ratings fucking shite. To win you have to all be on your game and get 7.8.9.10 to win throphies. After reflection of last night i feel extremely let down by those four players. The back four were awesome and WINKS and Sissoko say no more build the team around them class.

 

[CarrickSpurgus]

I've just rewatched the 2nd half (through sober eyes) on bt sport, we had so much possession and were the better team without capitalizing, worked allison on numerous occasions ,just couldnt find the net , feeling a bit better after see this and so proud of the team and how humble and gracious Poch was in the pitch side interview, I'm ashamed to say I turned off the tv immediately at the final whistle and missed all the after game interviews etc.

 

[shelfboy68]

The reason why we lost is not the penalty against us, it was due to our players letting us all down my not motivating themselves for the biggest game of their lives. Eriksen,Ali,Son and Kane were 4,5,5,and 4 ratings fucking shite. To win you have to all be on your game and get 7.8.9.10 to win throphies. After reflection of last night i feel extremely let down by those four players. The back four were awesome and WINKS and Sissoko say no more build the team around them class.

Often one player might have a bad game but to get all four shit was almost unbelievable but so us, having said that Liverpool's front three were just as bad but they got it over the line something we just cannot do.

 

[Erm33]

Sorry but the correct thing to do was for the referee to not give the penalty at that moment. To go check the replay on a screen himself just as the referee did in our game vs city with llorentes goal. And then he can make a decision with all the angles/information available as well as his initial view. This is the way things should have been done especially in a game of this importance and size.

There was no way his original decision of pointing to the spot was going to be overturned once he gave it within 25 seconds of the start of the game and his authority completely undermined less than 30 seconds into the game. Even if he still decided to give it, the fact they have the option to go and have a look is something referees should be encouraged to do.

Also if that is a penalty from now on then you may as well strap players arms to their sides. There was no deliberate attempt to touch the ball with his hand and the way it deflected off his chest onto his arm was in no way either deliberate or an attempt to enlarge his body size to block the ball (his arm was already up communicating with the defence by pointing therefore not in any way attempting to make his body bigger to block a shot/pass). You can even see that he was trying to react in the split second to avoid the ball touching his arm. Any level of common sense that is applied to this situation says no penalty.

The punishment has to fit the offense. If we're now going to try to make every decision black and white then it will be the end of the sport. Some rules aren't black and white, handball is one of those. May as well make it a case of any time the ball touches a players arm/hand its a free kick/penalty. At least then it's consistent even if ridiculous.

The fact that not everyone can agree whether it should have been a penalty or not says it all. And the only reason anyone says it should be a penalty is cause of a recent change in the rules that I still can't even find written down in an official FIFA rule book.

 

[fedupyid]

Second goal does not matter. The penalty was a complete joke, never ever a penalty. Same Old Liverpool always cheating. They are the club who commissioned a report to say they get the least decisions. They are a club that practice diving. They are a disgrace of a club that got every English club banned from Europe and were never punished. They have cheated all season and managed to get away with it.

 

[CoopsieDeadpool]

Second goal does not matter. The penalty was a complete joke, never ever a penalty. Same Old Liverpool always cheating. They are the club who commissioned a report to say they get the least decisions. They are a club that practice diving. They are a disgrace of a club that got every English club banned from Europe and were never punished. They have cheated all season and managed to get away with it.

They didn't cheat, it was a penalty, they won. Deal with it.

You just sound bitter.

 

[slartibartfast]

Just seen Sons post match interview. Really felt for the guy. Loves this club and seems such a nice bloke. Great player as well. Summer off will do him the world of good.

 

[rossdapep]

The reason why we lost is not the penalty against us, it was due to our players letting us all down my not motivating themselves for the biggest game of their lives. Eriksen,Ali,Son and Kane were 4,5,5,and 4 ratings fucking shite. To win you have to all be on your game and get 7.8.9.10 to win throphies. After reflection of last night i feel extremely let down by those four players. The back four were awesome and WINKS and Sissoko say no more build the team around them class.

It's easy to say and easy to criticise but we've been struggling for fluidity and rhythm in this area all season, including the back end of last season. Everything has felt sporadic and there's not really been any constant like previous seasons.

It's obvious that something isn't quite working and that can explain the poor performances, add in Kane's injuries, the lack of real break and solid preseason the players are struggling to adapt and get into their groove. These things take time and a run of games, and when you come up against a defence as good as Liverpool's...well.

Why is preseason so important? Well, first players can get sharp and build up their understanding but more importantly it gives the coach and team time to get a basic strategy in place, something that you work on day in day out. Once the season starts, you literally get 1-2 days preparation before the next game and with people getting injured, players constantly being rotated it is extremely difficult to find that 'flow'.

Compare that to Liverpool - Firmino, Salah and Mane play pretty much every single game, not too mention that they've had very limited injuries. This means that they can form a more telepathic or rehearsed way of playing.

I'm confident that a preseason and healthy addition of players can rejuvenate this team and we'll see something more akin to 16/17 season.

 

[NorthernYido]

So much of the performance last night was good, our midfield and defense ensured that we controled large segments of the game. But our attack let us down. I think in many big games this season it's been a similar case; lack of cohesion, hesitancy, risk averse. I don't think Kane & Son play well together, Alli has been too inconsistent. Our attack needs an overhaul and I really hope it's addressed in the summer. Certain players seem to be playing like their place in the side is a given and that's a dangerous place to be.

Gutted and obviously the early goal was very cruel but can't help feeling that Liverpool were there for the taking and we blew it.

 

[SirHarryHotspur]

This won't be popular but where was the fight where was the passion from Spurs, absolutely no yellow cards awarded in the whole match , if we really wanted this there should have been ten yellow cards for everyone of our outfield players. Bring on Lamela and there would have been a yellow in minutes , no passion from us , A GAME OF A LIFETIME AND IT LASTED 30 SECONDS.

 

[TURKISH69]

It's easy to say and easy to criticise but we've been struggling for fluidity and rhythm in this area all season, including the back end of last season. Everything has felt sporadic and there's not really been any constant like previous seasons.

It's obvious that something isn't quite working and that can explain the poor performances, add in Kane's injuries, the lack of real break and solid preseason the players are struggling to adapt and get into their groove. These things take time and a run of games, and when you come up against a defence as good as Liverpool's...well.

Why is preseason so important? Well, first players can get sharp and build up their understanding but more importantly it gives the coach and team time to get a basic strategy in place, something that you work on day in day out. Once the season starts, you literally get 1-2 days preparation before the next game and with people getting injured, players constantly being rotated it is extremely difficult to find that 'flow'.

Compare that to Liverpool - Firmino, Salah and Mane play pretty much every single game, not too mention that they've had very limited injuries. This means that they can form a more telepathic or rehearsed way of playing.

I'm confident that a preseason and healthy addition of players can rejuvenate this team and we'll see something more akin to 16/17 season.

Totally agree one thing that I can’t work out is Ali was amazing two seasons ago where he played just behind Kane, Eriksens form was much better when on the left. Why on earth has Poch taken Ali out of his formidable position? It showed against Ajax he played there and was destructive for the last 30mins and won us the game along with Moura. Is coincidental that our form has not been as effective since them two players have swapped. I think not if Poch plays Ali behind the striker he is class, he is not a left winger no fucking chance.

 

[fishhhandaricecake]

First of all I don't understand why we have to compare Lucas to the likes of Salah and Mane? These two are their two best goal scoring threats. Lucas isn't even our starter. We barely played him even in Kane's absence earlier this year and it's towards the very end of the season he finally started getting more game time and scoring (3 games in which he scored in 2019). Of course his stats won't compare to theirs?? Our best goal scoring threats are Kane and Son out of our front four. Kane has been unlucky with all these injuries all season and Son had to participate in two international competitions, etc. Played more games than anyone in the league in fact. Of course those two couldn't have have the same consistency and output??

Salah and Mane are not some Messi level attackers. As we have seen yesterday, they have poor games too. Salah went like almost 8 games without scoring. The difference is that when one is out of form the other(Mane) was available and shared the responsibility. We didn't have that luxury esp in the later part of the season. If they lost Salah to injury and Mane was out of form, do you think Origi would have stepped up and scored week in and week out?

Out attacking quality is fine. But our players have been going in and out of injury all season/been out of form together at the same time/etc and all I can say is that we have been simply unlucky.

Yesterday Salah wouldn't have scored if it wasn't for that lucky pen, Mane didn't score and had a poor game. Don't know what it's got to do with anything with them being a level above and such.
If we had all of our front four on form, we would have won.....


What killed the game was the early goal.

Get your points but if this is true then why do we consistently : A) struggle to score against klopps Liverpool and B) regularly lose against them?

 

[doctor stefan Freud]

I’ve not been on this thread for a good few hours but I’ve spoken with my father in law (an Arsenal fan), one of the wisest persons I’ve had the good luck to know, and he said that the silver lining here is that winning the CL might have papered over the cracks for another season or two. At least losing indicates that more work needs to be done in terms of investing in the squad. He loves our project by the way and values the way we run our club.

I’ll miss the old man

 

[Amo]

I'm even more fucked up tonight than I was last night to be honest.

 

[paddieu]

I can't help but think that it's partly designed to allow corrupt officials the ability to side step any responsibility for the decisions they make. You get a couple of pundits on the telly enforcing the view that the decision was correct and the next thing you know it's a stonewall penalty, no questions asked, job done. People paid off to make bad decisions in full view of the world without repercussions.

Yep to that broadly speaking. Fortunately for me I did say publicly before the game that ref and UEFA would try to make sure Liverpool won. Didnt think they would be so brazen about it though, but with media circle jerk thats been in place all this season and beyond, they know they got their asses covered by though who suck at their tits for a living etc

 

[paddieu]

Not awarding a freekick for Rose when he was stuck up in the air in the 2nd half and the ref played advantage when there was none was a piss poor decision.
That could have been a yellow.

there were two other times in the first half alone that were yellows, notably the one on Kane.

in the interests of being unbiased Sissoko should have had one for the pen (!!!)

 

[C0YS]

One thing I don't get is why did Salah celebrate and taunt our fans. Was a bit strange I don't think there was any serious animosity.