Spurs under 21, under 18 Leagues and other youth news

[Bus-Conductor]

The report I see called it a work experience loan and he played for their development squad I can't link it I'm on my phone

Why an earth would we send him to play in someone else's development set up ? Surely we might as well keep him here playing in ours ?

That seems utterly bizarre.

 

[mill]

Why an earth would we send him to play in someone else's development set up ? Surely we might as well keep him here playing in ours ?

That seems utterly bizarre.

Maybe we're thinking of letting him go and Bolton are interested?

 

[SlickMongoose]

They may be having a look to try to decide whether they want him for a full loan or not.

 

[Spursidol]

Chris Miller ‏@WindyCOYS Dombaxe came off bench for Bolton U21s tonight and nearly scored with a free kick. He can't play first team games due to type of loan.

From Bolton website :

Substitute Laste Dombaxe almost snatched a consolation for Wanderers on the stroke of full time with a well-taken free-kick, but his effort whipped narrowly past the upright as Southampton held out.

 

[mpickard2087]

A youth loan would surely indicate we are thinking of getting rid? We have done similar in the past with the likes of that Zapata-Caicedo, playing for other youth teams as a trial which precedes their release in most cases.

 

[Spursidol]

Why an earth would we send him to play in someone else's development set up ? Surely we might as well keep him here playing in ours ?

That seems utterly bizarre.

Possibly our problem is that we do not have enough competitions in to play all our youngsters in - this season the u19 Nextgen series stopped.

Hence we are happy to see him get game time in someone else's u21's

 

[Spursidol]

He can't play for their first team. He's playing for their U-21's.

They may be having a look to try to decide whether they want him for a full loan or not.

That is pretty much what Bolton say :

Tottenham Hotspur midfielder Laste Dombaxe has joined Bolton on a work experience loan deal.

The 18-year-old was introduced as a second-half substitute in Wanderers' development squad defeat to Southampton on Monday night and will spend the next few weeks training with Jamie Fullarton's team.

The Angola-born starlet, who has been at White Hart Lane since July 2011, will be ineligible to play any first-team games during his time at the Reebok Stadium, but impressive performances could lead to a senior loan when the Football League's loan window opens in February.

Dombaxe has captained Spurs at under-17, 18 and 21 levels and has been tipped for a bright future by the North London club.

http://www.burndenaces.co.uk/2014/01/20/spurs-youngster-joins-bolton-on-work-experience-loan.html

 

[Lilbaz]

Have bolton already got players on loan? Might be a way around the limit.

Our deals get more complicated by the second.

 

[beats1]

I never really expected Dombaxe to make the step up but that doesn't mean I wrote him off but was surprised when AVB used him more than the others

 

[beats1]

Have bolton already got players on loan? Might be a way around the limit.

Our deals get more complicated by the second.

We were going to do a similar thing with Munns, so that probably why we loaned him out so if they want to buy him there is a pre agreed price and gives them a testing period. Also they only have one loan and you can do as many youth loans as you want someone told me and iirc Carroll was a youth loan to the O's

As for Bolton, Dougie is under a lot pressure at the moment

 

[gushayes11]

Basically a trial then. Don't think he'll make our first team.

 

[Lilbaz]

Don't see enough of our youth. For me the names of those who might do well were shaq, pritchard, luongo, bentaleb and winks, mcevoy from the youngsters.

I have no idea.

 

[Spursidol]

Louis Van Gaal: Genius or Mad Man

Managerial Career:
Ajax - 1991-1997 - Eredivisie 1994, 1995 and 1996, KNVB cup 1993, UEFA CL 1995, UEFA cup 1992 and Intercontinental cup 1995
Barcelona - 1997-2000 - La Liga 1998 and 1999, Copa Del ray 1998
Netherlands - 2000-2002 - Failed to qualify for World Cup
Barcelona - 2002-2003 - Barcelona's worst season ever but may of been the most important season ever
AZ - 2005-2009 - Eredivisie 2009
Bayern Munich - 2009-2011 - Bundesliga 2010 and Pokal cup 2010
Netherlands - 2012-2014 - Qualified for World cup, unbeaten with 9 wins and 1 draw(against Estonia )

Also worked at Ajax in 2004 as technical director before he resigned after falling out with another member, don't need to say who

Philosophy
He focuses on youth, if some of you think Tim Sherwood has been harsh to Capoue, well this man takes no shit and is the type of guy who will publicly say it and move the guy on. His focus on youth is unrivalled, he has I don't need tell you this as he may of been the biggest factor in two teams that won the CL one of which was very young. The
way that he makes his team play is different from your average dutch manager, he doesn't play a strict 433/diamond system, he does change the roles of the players that make it more like other formations like 3313 and 2323. He also does play other formations as well like 442, 4231 and etc.. The focus is on the team game, he doesn't give a shit about big name players if they aren't prepared to play like a team! Also interesting he says he always keeps one guy from the previous regime on his back room staff! Like Mourinho he selects the captains and he expects them to be very professional and a honest person but he wants a ambitious player as well. He very clearly states he picks the captain and not the team!

Attitude
Mourinho is famous for his style and has worked under alot of managers. If there was one manager from what I seen he is like from the people he has worked with its Van Gaal. Van Gaal is a Journo's nightmare and has been known to use a wide range of vocabulary during his press conferences. If you want entertainment then this man will give you it and this has caused for a lot of hate from journo's. However his attitude to players is different and he works very well with youth players. However this attitude can ruffle a few feathers, as he doesn't care if a player is worth millions or fuck all, if he thinks that he is better for the team he will be selected. He has done this throughout his career and dropped huge names in the process. He doesn't care about age and will only select team players.

Relationships
Now I told you the good bits about Van Gaal in the attitudes bit and as you read in there he does have good relationships with youth players and older players if they cohere to his standards, heres what happens if they don't! His man management is said to be very bad, which is true with big players. When meeting the Bayern squad, he announced his self in a Cloughie esque way and said I have the balls the to drop any player here. He then went on to drop his trousers and show them he had the balls.

However as you read you will notice he will have alot of dressing room disputes and it is said that he often leaves players in tears. Also internal conflict is a norm under Van Gaal his relationship with the DOF got him sacked at bayern, and at ajax its unsurprising he fell out with people behind the scenes when he was Technical Director. But here is some quotes about playing under Van Gaal:
"Van Gaal is the Hitler of the Brazilian players, is arrogant, proud and has a problem. He has no idea of football. His type is sick, he's crazy."
- Giovanni
"I haven't had fun on the pitch once under van Gaal. I had had more than enough of it."
- Franck Ribery

Career
Ajax 1991 - 1997
At Ajax he probably built one of the most amazing teams in recent history to win the CL. His career was made from his results and trophy haul whilst here. It is worth noting that he doesn't have the typical ajax model. Cruyff's philosophy is more built around one player or two players(actually 1 and half but I would have to explain a whole load of shit) and the individual, Van Gaal focuses his style on the team and he himself is known to have a huge ego and full of himself. You can see this in any of his press conference, I always thought Mourinho was unique to our era(I know cloughie was similar) but after seeing Van Gaal I can see where he gets it from, to be honest he has taken alot. Now Van Gaal came in to the club which Cruyff runs pretty much and threw out the 1 and half player idea and basically said there are no more big players and this is a team. He is the big personality and big player in the team. Anyway he did very well at Ajax and won the CL with a very young team with some experience.

Heres the team he beat that famous Milan team with:

Van Der Sar (24)
Reiziger (22) Blind (33) Rijkaard (32) De Boer (24)
Davids (22) Seedorf (19)
Litmanen (24)
George (24) --------- Overmars (22)
De Boer (24)​

Subs: Kluivert (18) and Kanu (18)

With only 2 players in their over the age of 25 beating the team that just killed the dream team the season before, is some achievement. They made the CL final again but this lost to Juventus but worth noting that the team had lost Seedorf, Rijkaard(retired) and Overmars(was injured and missed the final). He did however introduce new younger players to the team like Musampa (18) and Wooter (19). Note these ages are not the age at the start of the season but the end!

He then finished at Ajax and had earned himself a knighthood at the end of it.

Barcelona 1997-2000
Now at Barcelona he did well on paper but it wasn't smooth sailing. The issues with his personality became apparent at barcelona. The press hated him here and he would also fall out with the big players! At Barca he didn't use the 433/343 formation he used at ajax but chose to go with a 2-3-2-3 formation. He played 3 players up front and this is where the issues in the dressing room started. He played Rivaldo on the left whereas Rivaldo wanted to play in the middle. There were other issues with him trying to implement his philosophy at the club and was struggling to do this. Also the fact he brought 8 dutch players probably didn't help the dressing room.

He did win two la ligas and a copa del ray but despite this, it isn't considered a great time due to the conflicts above and his failure to win CL. In his first 2 seasons in the CL, Barcelona got knocked out at the group stage, losing out to Newcastle, Dynamo Kyiv and PSV, and in the second season to the finalists Bayern Munich and Manchester United. In his final season he did make the semi final but then lost to Valencia who made it to a all spanish final with Real Madrid. The lack of CL led to his Resignation.

This was his system that won the league:

Hesp
Reiziger-----Bogarde
Ferrer---------Celades----------Sergi
Guardiola----Enrique--
--Figo----------------------Rivaldo
Anderson
​

However despite the negativity from the spanish press and what he did probably changed barca in the biggest way. Barcelona B wasn't the great source of players it is now but in his two spells he did changed the way Barca think in a huge way.

[Bayern Munich 2009-2011
He then went back to a big club again and had a big impact, now at bayern there was always going to be big personalities in the dressing room. The first season was nearly their greatest ever but they didn't have the best start. Luca Toni who was one of their best players the season before, he was sold after falling out with Van Gaal. They then gained form and looked to do a historic treble, they won both the league and Pokal cup. In the champions league they beat Man Utd in the quarters and Lyon easily in the semi's. They lost to Mourinho's inter in the final and it is worth noting that the squad wasn't as strong as it is today and Ribery was suspended for the final. This was the team in the final:

Butt
-- Lahm --- Van Buytan -- Demichelis --- Badstuber
Van Bommel -- Schweinsteiger
Robben ----------- Muller ------------ Altintop
Olic
​

The next season was a disappointment on all fronts, the league results started to disappoint and after losing to Dortmund in the league, they were 16 points off the title in february and had also lost in the Pokal cup to Schalke in the semi final. He also fell out with Ribery during this season and had internal conflicts within the hierarchy. It was announced after the defeat to Hannover that his contract was going to be canceled at the end of the season. A week after the announcement they were knocked out of the CL by Inter Milan on away goals in 2, having led the tie with 1 away goal. Then in april he was sacked, after 3 wins and a draw since the announcement of his contract being cancelled.

Once again the youth was major feature in the sides, with Muller making a meteoric rise during the first season and other players who are in the side today were given debuts or alot of game time. Players like Badstuber, Alaba(who converted to a LB), Kroos and Contento. It is also worth noting that he had converted Schweinsteger in to a defensive midfielder where he has since stayed.

Netherlands 2012-
There is no point in saying much other than they qualified unbeaten and won all their matches except for a draw against Estonia. They are playing alot of young players and playing the old guard with VDV set to become the most capped outfield player if he plays the next 4 games.

Will he be a good fit, depends will he fight with Sherwood, Baldini and Levy? I can see him getting on well with Sherwood(if he goes back to old role) and for me the issue would be whether he can get on with Baldini and Levy. Another issue is, if the players aren't getting his methods then, who will Levy pick a old manager who will likely have only two years on his contract or his investment. We don't seem to have major personalties or egos other than Ade but its worth noting he worked well under Mourinho. We don't have a Van Gaal captain imo other than dawson but even then, is he it? Worth noting that his philosophy is close to AVB in THEORY. However Van Gaal has implemented it and has had good defensive records and scored a shitload of goals at the SAME time.

If anything doesn't make sense, just highlight and I will correct it, as I'm not reading this shit again, its too fucking long. I gone beyond fucking wikipedia here for you wankers, you're lucky nasser hussain sounds so boring otherwise i wouldn't of finished this shit. As a parting gift here are some famous quotes by the mad man or about him:
"Van Gaal really has Alzheimer's if he writes stuff like that. You wonder whether he has one or two screws loose."
- Johan Cruyff

"When executed properly it is winning football,"
Bielsa

"My jaw dropped when I saw Van Gaal's Ajax play, They did everything a football team should do perfectly in my eyes."
Guardiola

"He's open to other ideas, but they must understand he won't budge."
Frank de Boer
"Am I this brilliant or are you the one who is that stupid?"
- Reaction to an 'ignorant' question from a journalist

"The Bavarian attitude to life suits me perfectly. Why? [Bayern Munich's club motto is] 'Mia san mia,’ 'We are who we are' and I am who I am: confident, arrogant, dominant, honest, hard-working and innovative."
At his first press conference as Bayern Munich coach

"If we can strengthen our squad, we'll buy. But I'm not the kind of coach who just goes out and buys for the sake of it. I'm a coach who wants to - and can - improve players."
On his philosophyas a coach
"Running is for animals. You need a brain and a ball for football."
On his basic approach to the game

"I have the body of a God. Lederhosen suit me. But I also have a belly."
With a hint of irony ahead of one of Bayern Munich's now traditional visits to the Oktoberfest
"If I were a God, I would win everything. I'm no God."
On his irony and himself
"If another coach were to come in, whose record can compare with mine? Who would need to come? [Sir Alex] Ferguson has won more titles than me. Maybe [Fabio] Capello too. But they’re both busy."
During a time of crisis at Bayern Munich
"I hope the level of desire is greater than their fatigue. But the body isn't as strong as the spirit. And we have some wimps."
On his players' physical condition

Lots of info - interesting to read, lots of work for you to put together, so congrats on putting it together !

Could see him as a manager - but Sherwood is relatively self opinionated so not sure if Sherwood would stay (although they seem to share similar ideas eg. formation not important its more how they play, youth important to integrate into first team etc. So if a manager, it maybe Van Gaal only stays a couple of years....and we need to start again adter van Gaal leaves.

Aside from transfers, Baldini is GM and Imo there would be friction betwen the two.

So the question in my mind is how to define a job for Van Gaal - is he some kind of elder statemesman(and probably GM) for Sherwood to learn from ? IMO this could work best if van Gaal was doing an international job (lots of spare time), but this kind of job share is the reason why he has (apparantly) turning the role down.

 

[Lilbaz]

Lots of info - interesting to read, lots of work for you to put together, so congrats on putting it together !

Could see him as a manager - but Sherwood is relatively self opinionated so not sure if Sherwood would stay (although they seem to share similar ideas eg. formation not important its more how they play, youth important to integrate into first team etc. So if a manager, it maybe Van Gaal only stays a couple of years....and we need to start again adter van Gaal leaves.

Aside from transfers, Baldini is GM and Imo there would be friction betwen the two.

So the question in my mind is how to define a job for Van Gaal - is he some kind of elder statemesman(and probably GM) for Sherwood to learn from ? IMO this could work best if van Gaal was doing an international job (lots of spare time), but this kind of job share is the reason why he has (apparantly) turning the role down.

Turned down the role cause he's taking holland to the wc.

 

[Spursidol]

Basically a trial then. Don't think he'll make our first team.

Lots of good CM prospects in the Development squad and Academy - Bentaleb is obviously the person to beat who is of a similar age to Dombaxe but younger than him are Winks, Onomah, Lesniak.

I wouldn't give up on Dombaxe yet so a loan is not such a bad idea, whilst we see how the others do - and Dombaxe will continue to develop on loan.

 

[beats1]

Lots of info - interesting to read, lots of work for you to put together, so congrats on putting it together !

Could see him as a manager - but Sherwood is relatively self opinionated so not sure if Sherwood would stay (although they seem to share similar ideas eg. formation not important its more how they play, youth important to integrate into first team etc. So if a manager, it maybe Van Gaal only stays a couple of years....and we need to start again adter van Gaal leaves.

Aside from transfers, Baldini is GM and Imo there would be friction betwen the two.

So the question in my mind is how to define a job for Van Gaal - is he some kind of elder statemesman(and probably GM) for Sherwood to learn from ? IMO this could work best if van Gaal was doing an international job (lots of spare time), but this kind of job share is the reason why he has (apparantly) turning the role down.

Interesting what sherwood said that Baldini was working with Millwall on the Fredericks loan. I thought this was his old job. So this has made me think that TS was essentially just overlooking everything in his previous role. Apparently Ramsey is now very hands on with the first team and Sherwood more hands off than people may think. I have feeling that he wants to go back upstairs and why not, 6 months down the line the results aren't great and he will get the chop, he joked about this himself.

I personally like the development team, as the work they have done is very good and love them to take that to the first team like they are now but the whispers were that he was going to prepared for a role upstairs. Who knows whats going to happen but I like the look of Diego Simeone personally and De Boer is less abrasive than Van Gaal(well seems it).

 

[Bus-Conductor]

Possibly our problem is that we do not have enough competitions in to play all our youngsters in - this season the u19 Nextgen series stopped.

Hence we are happy to see him get game time in someone else's u21's

He's been playing in our U21's though hasn't he ?

He even made the bench for the first team once this season didn't he ? Couldn't we have found him a proper loan in a lower division first team ?

 

[Spursidol]

Interesting what sherwood said that Baldini was working with Millwall on the Fredericks loan. I thought this was his old job. So this has made me think that TS was essentially just overlooking everything in his previous role. Apparently Ramsey is now very hands on with the first team and Sherwood more hands off than people may think. I have feeling that he wants to go back upstairs and why not, 6 months down the line the results aren't great and he will get the chop, he joked about this himself.

I personally like the development team, as the work they have done is very good and love them to take that to the first team like they are now but the whispers were that he was going to prepared for a role upstairs. Who knows whats going to happen but I like the look of Diego Simeone personally and De Boer is less abrasive than Van Gaal(well seems it).

Where did you see anything about Baldini and Millwall ? Can you post it ?

I'm pretty sure Sherwood dealt with youth loans before Baldini arrived, after Baldino arrived its not clear to me whether Sherwood dealt with them or not. Certainly Power at Swindon implied that Sherwood set them up, but maybe he simply provided the introduction to Baldini.

Ramsey has always been the main man for tactics/formation/coaching, Sherwood apparantly provides motivation etc, but I think they work as a 'partnership' albeit with Sherwood being the 'senior partner'. Where do you see the info that he in 'hands off' - doesn't surprise me what you say though.

Sherwood worked better with Redknapp in terms of getting the best of the development squad training with the first team and integrating them - whivch is the way it should be - but we all know AVB didn't want that. IMO the Sherwood/Ramsey combo has done wonders for the development squad - too early to see how Freund turns out, to see if he does as well - so in many respects I'd hate to lose Sherwood/Ramsey's abilities from the club. .

The rumours seemed to be that Sherwood would take on a 'Technical Director' role which seems to me to infringe on Baldini's territory, but that was before Sherwood became first team Head Coach. If Van Gaal arrives I cannot see a role for both Baldini and Sherwood at a Director level. Would Sherwood want to revert to looking after the development squad and youth set up again ? IMO Sherwood now lives in 'interesting times' !

Nervous that van Gaal is too abraisive, so prefer other candidates such as de Boor provided they can deliver results.

 

[Spursidol]

He's been playing in our U21's though hasn't he ?

He even made the bench for the first team once this season didn't he ? Couldn't we have found him a proper loan in a lower division first team ?

http://www.myfootballfacts.com/TottenhamHotspurReservesAcademy2013-14.html

Only a couple of appearances for u21's this season - too many good alternatives, see the team sheets on the link

Made the bench for the last Europa League game. Bolton is a good opportunity to get a Championship level loan, provided he plays ok for their u21's. Would bedifficult to get other loans as he's not played enough in Spurs u21's - was most recently involved in the u19 Vietnam tournament .

 

[Bus-Conductor]

http://www.myfootballfacts.com/TottenhamHotspurReservesAcademy2013-14.html

Only a couple of appearances for u21's this season - too many good alternatives, see the team sheets on the link

Made the bench for the last Europa League game. Bolton is a good opportunity to get a Championship level loan, provided he plays ok for their u21's. Would bedifficult to get other loans as he's not played enough in Spurs u21's - was most recently involved in the u19 Vietnam tournament .

How old is Dombaxe

That list seems to have him only playing one or two games, surely he's played more than that ? Is that a list of all development group games, I found it hard to fathom ?

How would he make it to the bench of the last Euro game if he was not even considered good enough for our U21 etc ?