Spurs under 21, under 18 Leagues and other youth news

[beats1]

Where did you see anything about Baldini and Millwall ? Can you post it ?

I'm pretty sure Sherwood dealt with youth loans before Baldini arrived, after Baldino arrived its not clear to me whether Sherwood dealt with them or not. Certainly Power at Swindon implied that Sherwood set them up, but maybe he simply provided the introduction to Baldini.

Ramsey has always been the main man for tactics/formation/coaching, Sherwood apparantly provides motivation etc, but I think they work as a 'partnership' albeit with Sherwood being the 'senior partner'. Where do you see the info that he in 'hands off' - doesn't surprise me what you say though.

Sherwood worked better with Redknapp in terms of getting the best of the development squad training with the first team and integrating them - whivch is the way it should be - but we all know AVB didn't want that. IMO the Sherwood/Ramsey combo has done wonders for the development squad - too early to see how Freund turns out, to see if he does as well - so in many respects I'd hate to lose Sherwood/Ramsey's abilities from the club. .

The rumours seemed to be that Sherwood would take on a 'Technical Director' role which seems to me to infringe on Baldini's territory, but that was before Sherwood became first team Head Coach. If Van Gaal arrives I cannot see a role for both Baldini and Sherwood at a Director level. Would Sherwood want to revert to looking after the development squad and youth set up again ? IMO Sherwood now lives in 'interesting times' !

Nervous that van Gaal is too abraisive, so prefer other candidates such as de Boor provided they can deliver results.

I just heard it back the press conference and mentioned he didn't hear anything from frank about Etienne and the only transfer he knows about is Ryan whether if Baldini did that is unknown

I know with the Swindon loan its because he knew the guy and the same with Kenny Jackett at millwall but in terms of the path from development team to first team, under avb there wasn't one and JJ said he was banned from training.

As for being groomed for director level, I think it was more for upstairs than Baldini, rather than another being a director of football. But I agree I think it will back to his old role if he were to step down and then slowly go his way up.

 

[TheAmerican]

What's a youth loan ?

The report I see called it a work experience loan and he played for their development squad I can't link it I'm on my phone

page 17 of the FA guidelines book (I can't get it to past in format)
http://www.thefa.com/~/media/files/...e-association/2013-14/standardised-rules.ashx

 

[beats1]

How old is Dombaxe

That list seems to have him only playing one or two games, surely he's played more than that ? Is that a list of all development group games, I found it hard to fathom ?

How would he make it to the bench of the last Euro game if he was not even considered good enough for our U21 etc ?

 

[kazzah9]

Luís André de Pina Cabral e Villas-Boas

 

[beats1]

Luís André de Pina Cabral e Villas-Boas

I know but it looked too long and it looked like a sentence rather than a name

 

[eddiebailey]

How old is Dombaxe

That list seems to have him only playing one or two games, surely he's played more than that ? Is that a list of all development group games, I found it hard to fathom ?

How would he make it to the bench of the last Euro game if he was not even considered good enough for our U21 etc ?

The midfielders who were ahead of him for the U21s are not eligible for Europa: Bentelab, Veljkovic, Gaillifuoco, (Lameiras?)

Not sure what the story is with Dombaxe; he was involved with the first team in pre-season, but I seem to recall he was only offered a third year trainee contract (whereas Grant Ward, who has featured for the U21a recently, was given a professional contract).

 

[Spursidol]

How old is Dombaxe

That list seems to have him only playing one or two games, surely he's played more than that ? Is that a list of all development group games, I found it hard to fathom ?

How would he make it to the bench of the last Euro game if he was not even considered good enough for our U21 etc ?

dob 14.05.1994 so still 19. Apart from the fact that Spurs have a number of other good CM's at or about that age - as you may have noted from the line ups on the links Bentaleb and Veljkovic were playing as CM's for the u21's, he may also have spells of injury (don't know, these things not reported). I was surprised but delighted to see him on the bench for the Europa game (Bentaleb not eligible as Eddiebailey says).

As mentioed on an earlier post there are younger players coming through who the coaching team may judge to be as good or better than Dombaxe (Onomah, Winks, Lesniak) who assuming that things work as in previous years, will start to be tested out in the u21's in the second half of this season. So maybe it is that we do not have enough playing time for all our players and Dombaxe is believed to be the one who could get most out of a loan - remember age wise his 'rival' for a place at Spurs is Bentaleb, so its tough for him.

 

[Bus-Conductor]

Louis Van Gaal: Genius or Mad Man

Managerial Career:
Ajax - 1991-1997 - Eredivisie 1994, 1995 and 1996, KNVB cup 1993, UEFA CL 1995, UEFA cup 1992 and Intercontinental cup 1995
Barcelona - 1997-2000 - La Liga 1998 and 1999, Copa Del ray 1998
Netherlands - 2000-2002 - Failed to qualify for World Cup
Barcelona - 2002-2003 - Barcelona's worst season ever but may of been the most important season ever
AZ - 2005-2009 - Eredivisie 2009
Bayern Munich - 2009-2011 - Bundesliga 2010 and Pokal cup 2010
Netherlands - 2012-2014 - Qualified for World cup, unbeaten with 9 wins and 1 draw(against Estonia )

Also worked at Ajax in 2004 as technical director before he resigned after falling out with another member, don't need to say who

Philosophy
He focuses on youth, if some of you think Tim Sherwood has been harsh to Capoue, well this man takes no shit and is the type of guy who will publicly say it and move the guy on. His focus on youth is unrivalled, he has I don't need tell you this as he may of been the biggest factor in two teams that won the CL one of which was very young. The
way that he makes his team play is different from your average dutch manager, he doesn't play a strict 433/diamond system, he does change the roles of the players that make it more like other formations like 3313 and 2323. He also does play other formations as well like 442, 4231 and etc.. The focus is on the team game, he doesn't give a shit about big name players if they aren't prepared to play like a team! Also interesting he says he always keeps one guy from the previous regime on his back room staff! Like Mourinho he selects the captains and he expects them to be very professional and a honest person but he wants a ambitious player as well. He very clearly states he picks the captain and not the team!

Attitude
Mourinho is famous for his style and has worked under alot of managers. If there was one manager from what I seen he is like from the people he has worked with its Van Gaal. Van Gaal is a Journo's nightmare and has been known to use a wide range of vocabulary during his press conferences. If you want entertainment then this man will give you it and this has caused for a lot of hate from journo's. However his attitude to players is different and he works very well with youth players. However this attitude can ruffle a few feathers, as he doesn't care if a player is worth millions or fuck all, if he thinks that he is better for the team he will be selected. He has done this throughout his career and dropped huge names in the process. He doesn't care about age and will only select team players.

Relationships
Now I told you the good bits about Van Gaal in the attitudes bit and as you read in there he does have good relationships with youth players and older players if they cohere to his standards, heres what happens if they don't! His man management is said to be very bad, which is true with big players. When meeting the Bayern squad, he announced his self in a Cloughie esque way and said I have the balls the to drop any player here. He then went on to drop his trousers and show them he had the balls.

However as you read you will notice he will have alot of dressing room disputes and it is said that he often leaves players in tears. Also internal conflict is a norm under Van Gaal his relationship with the DOF got him sacked at bayern, and at ajax its unsurprising he fell out with people behind the scenes when he was Technical Director. But here is some quotes about playing under Van Gaal:
"Van Gaal is the Hitler of the Brazilian players, is arrogant, proud and has a problem. He has no idea of football. His type is sick, he's crazy."
- Giovanni
"I haven't had fun on the pitch once under van Gaal. I had had more than enough of it."
- Franck Ribery

Career
Ajax 1991 - 1997
At Ajax he probably built one of the most amazing teams in recent history to win the CL. His career was made from his results and trophy haul whilst here. It is worth noting that he doesn't have the typical ajax model. Cruyff's philosophy is more built around one player or two players(actually 1 and half but I would have to explain a whole load of shit) and the individual, Van Gaal focuses his style on the team and he himself is known to have a huge ego and full of himself. You can see this in any of his press conference, I always thought Mourinho was unique to our era(I know cloughie was similar) but after seeing Van Gaal I can see where he gets it from, to be honest he has taken alot. Now Van Gaal came in to the club which Cruyff runs pretty much and threw out the 1 and half player idea and basically said there are no more big players and this is a team. He is the big personality and big player in the team. Anyway he did very well at Ajax and won the CL with a very young team with some experience.

Heres the team he beat that famous Milan team with:

Van Der Sar (24)
Reiziger (22) Blind (33) Rijkaard (32) De Boer (24)
Davids (22) Seedorf (19)
Litmanen (24)
George (24) --------- Overmars (22)
De Boer (24)​

Subs: Kluivert (18) and Kanu (18)

With only 2 players in their over the age of 25 beating the team that just killed the dream team the season before, is some achievement. They made the CL final again but this lost to Juventus but worth noting that the team had lost Seedorf, Rijkaard(retired) and Overmars(was injured and missed the final). He did however introduce new younger players to the team like Musampa (18) and Wooter (19). Note these ages are not the age at the start of the season but the end!

He then finished at Ajax and had earned himself a knighthood at the end of it.

Barcelona 1997-2000
Now at Barcelona he did well on paper but it wasn't smooth sailing. The issues with his personality became apparent at barcelona. The press hated him here and he would also fall out with the big players! At Barca he didn't use the 433/343 formation he used at ajax but chose to go with a 2-3-2-3 formation. He played 3 players up front and this is where the issues in the dressing room started. He played Rivaldo on the left whereas Rivaldo wanted to play in the middle. There were other issues with him trying to implement his philosophy at the club and was struggling to do this. Also the fact he brought 8 dutch players probably didn't help the dressing room.

He did win two la ligas and a copa del ray but despite this, it isn't considered a great time due to the conflicts above and his failure to win CL. In his first 2 seasons in the CL, Barcelona got knocked out at the group stage, losing out to Newcastle, Dynamo Kyiv and PSV, and in the second season to the finalists Bayern Munich and Manchester United. In his final season he did make the semi final but then lost to Valencia who made it to a all spanish final with Real Madrid. The lack of CL led to his Resignation.

This was his system that won the league:

Hesp
Reiziger-----Bogarde
Ferrer---------Celades----------Sergi
Guardiola----Enrique--
--Figo----------------------Rivaldo
Anderson
​

However despite the negativity from the spanish press and what he did probably changed barca in the biggest way. Barcelona B wasn't the great source of players it is now but in his two spells he did changed the way Barca think in a huge way.

Netherlands 2000-2002
Well this was nothing short of a disaster, he had a good team but it all blew up. Everyone who follows international football knows that there is always a fight in that dressing room. Interesting that internal conflict was so bad considering he gave alot of the players their debuts. Anyway they lost out in qualifying to Mick McCarthy's ROI team and Portugal, the team did largely include his Ajax team which made the terrible form even more crazy. This is the team that he could of played and it should of been in the world cup:

Van Der Saar
Reiziger--Melchiot---Stam--De Boer--
Cocu
Seedorf ---- Davids
Zendon ------------- Overmars
Kluivert​

Barcelona 2002-2003
Well we're back here again. To describe this season in one word, disaster, would be quiet fitting. He had the worst start to a barca season ever and was 3 points from the relegation zone when he left. However to some this is remembered as a important season. Van Gaal said during his time at Barca said that he dreams that one day the team would be full of players from La Masia. Well ten years after he left his dream came true more interesting is during that period he turned changed the culture of Barca. He gave debuts to players despite the first team being knocked out of CL and Barca B struggling. Unlike managers before he gave the youth players a opportunity to perform in the first team. Since then Barca B players often get playing time in the first team despite being very competitive at the highest level.

He also got the youth teams training with the first team and kept a interest in the youth team. There is one video of him talking to Alba when he was a kid and asking him where he played and etc. during a dinner. His good work with young players may have to do with the fact he use to be a PE teacher before he went in to management. Anyway that team which consisted of 11 La Masia players four of them last year 4 of them, (Xavi, Iniesta, Puyol and Valdes) were given their debuts under Van Gaal. As well as them, other players were promoted like Reina, Motta, Gabri and more. Worth noting that when he left he was labelled as a failure and this is considered as the dark ages in barca's history, also there was even more falling out behind the scenes as well during his time there.

AZ 2005-2009
AZ isn't a big club in the Netherlands and had a 8,000 seat stadium when he joined them and were moving to a 17,000 seat stadium. It is fair to say he did do a great job. They had only won the Eredivisie once before he joined them. In his first season, he managed to take AZ to a 2nd place finish, they lost to Groningen in the play offs for the CL spot and lost to Real Betis in the Round of 32 in the Uefa cup.

The next season they were in the run for the title and with one game to go, AZ were leading the Eredivisie by goal difference. In their last game they lost 3-2 to Excelsior(who finished in the relegation play off spot). PSV won the title after winning 5-1 and having a better goal difference of one goal than Ajax. Had AZ won their match they would of had a even better goal difference than both of them. Its worth noting that Ajax and PSV teams included the likes of Sneijder, Huntelaar, Affelay, Babbel, Farfan, Alex, Cocu, Kluivert, Kone, Heitinga, Vermaelen, Davids and Emanuelson. They then lost to Ajax by penalties in the KNVB cup and then lost the play off for the CL to ajax once again. They also lost to Werder Bremen in the quarter finals of the Uefa cup after beating Newcastle, Fenerbache and finished above seville and Braga in the group stage.

The next season was a disappointment and the results didn't go their way and the club got was out of the Uefa cup and KNVB cup in the early rounds. They did sell two of their best strikers who got 55 goals between them and didn't replace them straight away(thats not going to happen with us though). Louis Van Gaal during the season handed in his resignation and said he will leave at the end of the season. There was uproar from the squad and he said. he would change his decision and give the players a chance to prove themselves. The next season was a different story, AZ for the second time in their history, won the Eredivisie after having finished 11th the season before. They had gone in a run of 28 games unbeaten after losing their first 2 matches and went 11 games without conceding a goal. The Ajax team also included Vermaelen, Vertonghen, Anita, Van Der Weil, Alderweireld and Suarez. This was his 442 team for AZ that won the title:

Romero (22)

Swerts (26) Jaliens (30) Moisander (23) Pocagnali (21)

Schaars (25) De Zeeuw (25) Da Silva (26) Martens (24)

Dembele (21) El Hamdaoui (24)
​

It is also worthing noting these words from Louis, the season before he won the league; "We only have a budget of 16 millions euros, compared with 65 million for Ajax and 60 million for PSV, but we have been in the top three the last two seasons and we got to the final of the cup, which we only lost on penalties. The president is a wealthy man but he doesn't want to bump up the budget for the sake of just spending more. Money isn't the be all and end all"

Bayern Munich 2009-2011
He then went back to a big club again and had a big impact, now at bayern there was always going to be big personalities in the dressing room. The first season was nearly their greatest ever but they didn't have the best start. Luca Toni who was one of their best players the season before, he was sold after falling out with Van Gaal. They then gained form and looked to do a historic treble, they won both the league and Pokal cup. In the champions league they beat Man Utd in the quarters and Lyon easily in the semi's. They lost to Mourinho's inter in the final and it is worth noting that the squad wasn't as strong as it is today and Ribery was suspended for the final. This was the team in the final:

Butt
-- Lahm --- Van Buytan -- Demichelis --- Badstuber
Van Bommel -- Schweinsteiger
Robben ----------- Muller ------------ Altintop
Olic
​

The next season was a disappointment on all fronts, the league results started to disappoint and after losing to Dortmund in the league, they were 16 points off the title in february and had also lost in the Pokal cup to Schalke in the semi final. He also fell out with Ribery during this season and had internal conflicts within the hierarchy. It was announced after the defeat to Hannover that his contract was going to be canceled at the end of the season. A week after the announcement they were knocked out of the CL by Inter Milan on away goals in 2, having led the tie with 1 away goal. Then in april he was sacked, after 3 wins and a draw since the announcement of his contract being cancelled.

Once again the youth was major feature in the sides, with Muller making a meteoric rise during the first season and other players who are in the side today were given debuts or alot of game time. Players like Badstuber, Alaba(who converted to a LB), Kroos and Contento. It is also worth noting that he had converted Schweinsteger in to a defensive midfielder where he has since stayed.

Netherlands 2012-
There is no point in saying much other than they qualified unbeaten and won all their matches except for a draw against Estonia. They are playing alot of young players and playing the old guard with VDV set to become the most capped outfield player if he plays the next 4 games.

Will he be a good fit, depends will he fight with Sherwood, Baldini and Levy? I can see him getting on well with Sherwood(if he goes back to old role) and for me the issue would be whether he can get on with Baldini and Levy. Another issue is, if the players aren't getting his methods then, who will Levy pick a old manager who will likely have only two years on his contract or his investment. We don't seem to have major personalties or egos other than Ade but its worth noting he worked well under Mourinho. We don't have a Van Gaal captain imo other than dawson but even then, is he it? Worth noting that his philosophy is close to AVB in THEORY. However Van Gaal has implemented it and has had good defensive records and scored a shitload of goals at the SAME time.

If anything doesn't make sense, just highlight and I will correct it, as I'm not reading this shit again, its too fucking long. I gone beyond fucking wikipedia here for you wankers, you're lucky nasser hussain sounds so boring otherwise i wouldn't of finished this shit. As a parting gift here are some famous quotes by the mad man or about him:
"Van Gaal really has Alzheimer's if he writes stuff like that. You wonder whether he has one or two screws loose."
- Johan Cruyff

"When executed properly it is winning football,"
Bielsa

"My jaw dropped when I saw Van Gaal's Ajax play, They did everything a football team should do perfectly in my eyes."
Guardiola

"He's open to other ideas, but they must understand he won't budge."
Frank de Boer
"Am I this brilliant or are you the one who is that stupid?"
- Reaction to an 'ignorant' question from a journalist

"The Bavarian attitude to life suits me perfectly. Why? [Bayern Munich's club motto is] 'Mia san mia,’ 'We are who we are' and I am who I am: confident, arrogant, dominant, honest, hard-working and innovative."
At his first press conference as Bayern Munich coach

"If we can strengthen our squad, we'll buy. But I'm not the kind of coach who just goes out and buys for the sake of it. I'm a coach who wants to - and can - improve players."
On his philosophyas a coach
"Running is for animals. You need a brain and a ball for football."
On his basic approach to the game

"I have the body of a God. Lederhosen suit me. But I also have a belly."
With a hint of irony ahead of one of Bayern Munich's now traditional visits to the Oktoberfest
"If I were a God, I would win everything. I'm no God."
On his irony and himself
"If another coach were to come in, whose record can compare with mine? Who would need to come? [Sir Alex] Ferguson has won more titles than me. Maybe [Fabio] Capello too. But they’re both busy."
During a time of crisis at Bayern Munich
"I hope the level of desire is greater than their fatigue. But the body isn't as strong as the spirit. And we have some wimps."
On his players' physical condition

The thing is, with him there is often some pain before the gain. With a bloke like this you have to be prepared to hang in there through the the pain to enjoy the gain, you have to buy into the philosophy and back it to the hilt through thick and thin. Levy is pain averse.

I love the idea of LVG, just can't see it happening or even if he did come in being given the time he might need.

 

[Bus-Conductor]

The midfielders who were ahead of him for the U21s are not eligible for Europa: Bentelab, Veljkovic, Gaillifuoco, (Lameiras?)

Not sure what the story is with Dombaxe; he was involved with the first team in pre-season, but I seem to recall he was only offered a third year trainee contract (whereas Grant Ward, who has featured for the U21a recently, was given a professional contract).

dob 14.05.1994 so still 19. Apart from the fact that Spurs have a number of other good CM's at or about that age - as you may have noted from the line ups on the links Bentaleb and Veljkovic were playing as CM's for the u21's, he may also have spells of injury (don't know, these things not reported). I was surprised but delighted to see him on the bench for the Europa game (Bentaleb not eligible as Eddiebailey says).

As mentioed on an earlier post there are younger players coming through who the coaching team may judge to be as good or better than Dombaxe (Onomah, Winks, Lesniak) who assuming that things work as in previous years, will start to be tested out in the u21's in the second half of this season. So maybe it is that we do not have enough playing time for all our players and Dombaxe is believed to be the one who could get most out of a loan - remember age wise his 'rival' for a place at Spurs is Bentaleb, so its tough for him.

Just seems like a really odd move for a player who has come through the ranks, has played a big part in the success of our various development teams (was captain at times I believe), including that great NextGen group, and is now being farmed off to Bolton's U21's of all places. Hardly seems like a upwards career move for the boy.

I liked the look of him. Thought he showed good tenacity, strength and yet could still play a bit.

 

[eddiebailey]

By the way has anyone noticed that in addition to Archer, Bentelab and Kane now being listed as first team players, Smith, Mason and Falque have been added to the first team players on loan (pretty sure they were listed under professionals before.)

 

[rabbikeane]

dob 14.05.1994 so still 19.

I know we've discussed his age here before, official site has him born in 1995

http://www.tottenhamhotspur.com/professionals-profiles/laste-dombaxe/

 

[newbie]

Beats and Spurs idol, not trying to start a debate or argument here, but you seem to be talking as Sherwood's days as manager are number which surprised me as I thought you would be please with his integration of youth players and the freedom we are playing with.

 

[Luka Van der Bale]

Beats and Spurs idol, not trying to start a debate or argument here, but you seem to be talking as Sherwood's days as manager are number which surprised me as I thought you would be please with his integration of youth players and the freedom we are playing with.

What one thinks will happen is not necessarily what one wants to happen.

 

[beats1]

Beats and Spurs idol, not trying to start a debate or argument here, but you seem to be talking as Sherwood's days as manager are number which surprised me as I thought you would be please with his integration of youth players and the freedom we are playing with.

I am very pleased with how its going and honestly over the moon that AVB has gone(no offence to him, he has great ideas and clearly a very smart manager but needs to learn, putting his idea in to practice). I wouldn't mind if the development takes us forward but I just have feeling he won't want to be manager. However as LVDB that doesn't mean it will happen but I always saw him and one or itk's have said he would be our Niall Quinn. Not a great example but one none the less lol.

Regardless I think the development team has done a great job whether it be with the first team or youth teams

 

[Spursidol]

Beats and Spurs idol, not trying to start a debate or argument here, but you seem to be talking as Sherwood's days as manager are number which surprised me as I thought you would be please with his integration of youth players and the freedom we are playing with.

When AVB was appointed I was delighted that a forward thinking managwr was being considered although nervous about his real experience (one year at Porto, a part year at Chelsea and then us !), but was disappointed with the style of play, lack of attacking play and failure to really integrate youth - not wanting to start an argument, but whilst Barcelona integrate youth, AVB did not.

Nervous at Sherwood/Ramsey appointment (with Ramsey being one of thev UK's best qualified coaches), but delighted by initial results - the first few games being in a surprise 442 lopsided formation (but actually close to a 433) to get an initial team established, and now with tinkering to improve the side such as against Swnsea (but a more difficult task against Man City I'm less confident about).

I'm delighted with the new attacking ethos (with AVB of course never finding a side capable of attacking and creating goal scoring chances within the box - and multiple players within the opposition box) which is not only contributing goals (3 goals scored a game 3 times - 3 goals per game not having been achieved this season before Sherwood/Ramsey) but also much more entertaining. It really is so invigorating to see.

Whilst AVB almost ignored youth - this season as an example they were only included in the 2nd half of the final Europa League game well after it was obvious Spurs had won the group - and arguably playing some of the first team players rather than youth 'cost' Spurs a few points in PL (eg playing Rose in EL resulting in 2 months injury) as well as failing to develop youth - and one of the aims of a good manager is surely to balance up the immediate needs of wins with the neeed to develop timorrow;s stars (and save £m money with players empathising with the club so avoiding the flops like David Bentley ), Sherwood has started to introduce youth.

As I understand it, Sherwood/Ramsey has re-started the first team and many of the development squad training together, which may result in other promising youth players coming into the first team squad for a few games. In my view this is the way forward for Spurs - especially with such a great set of prospects coming through the youth system (thanks to both John McDermott's Academy coaches as well as Sherwood/Ramsey's development coaches).

Going forward I'm not confident that Sherwood/Ramsey will be first team coaches next season (its tough to get to 4th even after their fantastic start) - but it maybe that they grow into the role and make themselves indispensible.

What I'd hate is their expertise in developing Spus youth tio be lost to the club - although obviously it maybe that a new incoming coach brings that talent into the club (off radar - but Klinsmann totaly re-inigorated the German youth football set up which took a few years to transform German football - and that is the skill we need to bring in if Sherwood/Ramsey leave).,

 

[newbie]

Spurs idol and beats I could not have said it better myself, but don't you think its really down to us the spurs fans to get behind Sherwood as he is our best bet to take our football forward as I believe most of us (def me and u guys) have the same ideas on how the club should be run. I also believe this is going to sound contraversial but I think levy does, otherwise why would he have put so much in to youth he knows it's the only way we can compete. I don't believe we will find a better managment team to bring though and understand the young players, also to defend them to the hilt.

Spurs have to add value and sell on plays we can not spend lots of money and get instant success our 2 big buys have not worked out YET. If Sherwood is bring though players competing in the league and spurs are progressing I would think would be fools not to keep him. We should not be buying more than 2-3 players a year, youth players should to first team should all play the same style, so if we need anyone they can step straight up and fill the space rather than play a first team player out of pos. Sherwood needs time I really like Ramsey and Ferdinand and hate how much shit Sherwood gets over pointless things.

I think now it will be a massive step back if we sack/loose Sherwood, as we loose the infrastructure and plan we have been working to for years. I also think spurs do not do well under tactical ridged managers, outprs best times jol, Rednapp hopefully Sherwood we need a people person who allows our players to express themselfs. Santi, Ramos, AVB didn't understand us (fans/club/ethos).

 

[newbie]

sorry not going to harp on i like avb but we need a manager who is flexible and work with the players we have not a manager who needs player to play to a system i think that has been a massive problem for us in the past with managers.

heard a good bit of gossip today, i had a meeting with some guys from Cardiff council they recon word on the street down there ( or to the left) is Caulker slept with Joe Lewis Daughter ( they were not sure on the name of the person but it sounded like Joe Lewis) on the end of season tour in the Bahamas and Levy was told to ship him out asap he had to go. They love Caulker and cant believe how they got a player that good to Cardiff. This came gem came from a Agent at/in Cardiff.

 

[SandroClegane]

sorry not going to harp on i like avb but we need a manager who is flexible and work with the players we have not a manager who needs player to play to a system i think that has been a massive problem for us in the past with managers.

heard a good bit of gossip today, i had a meeting with some guys from Cardiff council they recon word on the street down there ( or to the left) is Caulker slept with Joe Lewis Daughter ( they were not sure on the name of the person but it sounded like Joe Lewis) on the end of season tour in the Bahamas and Levy was told to ship him out asap he had to go. They love Caulker and cant believe how they got a player that good to Cardiff. This came gem came from a Agent at/in Cardiff.

it's been mentioned here before.

 

[Spursidol]

Spurs idol and beats I could not have said it better myself, but don't you think its really down to us the spurs fans to get behind Sherwood as he is our best bet to take our football forward as I believe most of us (def me and u guys) have the same ideas on how the club should be run. I also believe this is going to sound contraversial but I think levy does, otherwise why would he have put so much in to youth he knows it's the only way we can compete. I don't believe we will find a better managment team to bring though and understand the young players, also to defend them to the hilt.

Spurs have to add value and sell on plays we can not spend lots of money and get instant success our 2 big buys have not worked out YET. If Sherwood is bring though players competing in the league and spurs are progressing I would think would be fools not to keep him. We should not be buying more than 2-3 players a year, youth players should to first team should all play the same style, so if we need anyone they can step straight up and fill the space rather than play a first team player out of pos. Sherwood needs time I really like Ramsey and Ferdinand and hate how much shit Sherwood gets over pointless things.

I think now it will be a massive step back if we sack/loose Sherwood, as we loose the infrastructure and plan we have been working to for years. I also think spurs do not do well under tactical ridged managers, outprs best times jol, Rednapp hopefully Sherwood we need a people person who allows our players to express themselfs. Santi, Ramos, AVB didn't understand us (fans/club/ethos).

Agree with much of this.

The bit which I have been struggling with is that if Sherwood continues to get decent results but doesn't get CL football (perhaps getting 4th but ManU wiinning CL so we miss out or even us finishing 5th) there will be pressure to change manager - perhaps for 'a winner' such as van Gaal.

But if we lose Sherwood/Ramsey whilst not being a disaster would be a big big loss - they really have made a big contribution to establishing a conveyor belt of talent (along with John McDermott and the academy coaches).

So the debate at the end of the season could be how we retain Sherwood/Ramsey whilst ensuring we have the best first team manager/coaches going forward (if that's not Sherwood).

On the other hand John Cameron (who won our first major trophy, the FA cup in 1901), the immortal Billy Nick (too many honours to list), Keith Burkinshaw (possibly our second greatest manager) were all internal appointments as managers, and emerged as inspired managers. Maybe its time for a 4th internal appointment who will turn out to be an inspired choice of head coach/manager

 

[newbie]

Completely agree Spurs Idol i feel the same way.