Redknapp's Spurs v Pochettino's Spurs

[For the love of Spurs]

It's a very good thread for several reasons.

Firstly it seems (whisper it) we have under Poch finally got our act together and appear to be heading in a positive direction, the last time I felt this excited about a Spurs team was under Redknapp so we are comparing two pretty decent sides. Secondly enough time has passed to consider them entirely different teams now, Walker excepted so a comparison is fair. Thirdly the contrast between Redknapp & Poch is striking, Redknapp in many ways fits the traditional Spurs style of open attacking and counter attacking football relying and trusting in the brilliance of individuals to win matches while Poch is a man who learned under Bielsa and follows a total team philosphy where it's not about the indvidual but the structure of the team.

I feel both teams are good and both managers have done well (Poch at least up to this point) but I have to say I am more excited about poch than any manager in a long time. Poch doesn't shout of to the media which normally sends trigger happy Levy into firing mode, I don't think even Levy will fire Poch unless we hit a terrible run of form so hopefully we could have some stability for once. Poch as we all know develops and works with our young players and as we can't compete in the transfer market with the likes of Man United it's a very practical alternative given our situation. I guess you can say with the stadium and now Poch and what he's doing it looks like for the first time I have known as a Spurs fan we have a long term plan across the board rather than the normal short termism which has been a hall mark for us. That being said I will always remember with fondness how fun we were under Redknapp and the Champions League run.

 

[nicdic]

I think it would be a really good match, and tough to call for a one off. Think Adebayor over Crouch though. The team from Redknapp's last season was better.

Over the course of the season I think the current set up would do better.

 

[HotspurFC1950]

VDV played 60 minutes then would be injured for a game or two.

Ledley could not train at all.

BAE had at least one brain explosion per game.

Modric was out injured for a long while. Parker too.

Just a few examples.

Be careful of rose tinted glasses.

 

[CowInAComa]

I know which side had the better individuals. I know which side is the better team.

I think 1-1. Poch side to dominate the midfield but a late wonder goal from Bale or VdV to keep things even.

 

[Trix]

Would be very close. The big difference between the two sides imo is one genuinely has the chance to get better all over the pitch, the other would need at least 4 changes within a year to 18 months to stand any chance of keeping pace. Arry built a very good side but it was without doubt a team for the moment, and there was no long term thinking being done whatsoever. King, Galas, Brad, and Parker although still very good players, were all way past their very best.

 

[Hotspur94]

I think Redknapp's team from the 11/12 season was stronger and I would've fancied that team to edge the current Spurs team. We're definitely going in the right direction with Pochettino, however.

 

[chinaman]

The team with a game plan will win; so Poch's.

 

[mpickard2087]

For starters Adebayor would be in for Crouch.

Hard to say though, the Redknapp team has better individual talent but was often lazy and was prepared to get by on talent alone.
If it wasn't clicking on the day then the Poch team is a much better unit and would be more than capable of winning.

Me and others often got stick for 'unrealistic expectations' and people going along with 'Arry and his never had it so good mindset as if perfection had been achieved. I think we see now what with Poch what could be achievable out of a team in terms of work rate and battling qualities, particularly without the ball. I said the other day, if Redknapp's 11/12 team had our present day teams attitude and work rate then it was possible we could have ended up winning the league that season. We'd have been there or thereabouts.

 

[hellava_tough]

After early uncertainty, it's starting to look like a good season, with genuine excitement surrounding the young prospects we have as players.

It could go either way, but if Kane, Lamela, Eriksen, Dier, Alli, Rose (and others) all turn into world-class performers, then this team will have a very good shot at the PL title.

We just have to try to keep the squad together, and where we lose a top player, we need to reinvest the money in a few young prospects. That way we keep the conveyor-belt of talent going until we win the league and beyond.

Just imagine if we had have spent the Bale money on 10 of the 'next best things' in European football?

Anyway, exciting times!

 

[hellava_tough]

For starters Adebayor would be in for Crouch.

Hard to say though, the Redknapp team has better individual talent but was often lazy and was prepared to get by on talent alone.
If it wasn't clicking on the day then the Poch team is a much better unit and would be more than capable of winning.

Me and others often got stick for 'unrealistic expectations' and people going along with 'Arry and his never had it so good mindset as if perfection had been achieved. I think we see now what with Poch what could be achievable out of a team in terms of work rate and battling qualities, particularly without the ball. I said the other day, if Redknapp's 11/12 team had our present day teams attitude and work rate then it was possible we could have ended up winning the league that season. We'd have been there or thereabouts.

Got to agree with some of this

We're all overlooking the fact that Harry's team, for all it's talent, completely bottled 3rd place that year.

Their mentality was woeful from the period March to April 2012, winning one game in 9.

I doubt Poch's team would have done the same.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011–12_Tottenham_Hotspur_F.C._season#Match_results

 

[hellava_tough]

I think it would be a really good match, and tough to call for a one off. Think Adebayor over Crouch though. The team from Redknapp's last season was better.

Over the course of the season I think the current set up would do better.

Hope you're right, because it means we'll be finishing 4th or 3rd this season

 

[Gassin's finest]

Funny, because I seem to recall that team that's not as good as we remember it, finishing 4th twice and beating AC Milan at the San Siro...

 

[punkisback]

Simple question - With both sides on top form who would win in a one off encounter and who would win over the course of a season?

Redknapp's Spurs

-----------------------Friedal
Walker--------King-------Gallas-------BAE
Lennon-----Modric------Parker--------Bale
-------------------------VDV
-----------------------Crouch
Poch's Spurs

---------------------------------Lloris
Walker-------Alderwiereld----------Vertonghen---------Rose
-------------------------Dier-------------Alli
----------------Lamela------Dembele-------Erikssen
-----------------------------------Kane

Sandro for Parker and Dawson for Gallas and I think Harry's team would just edge it.

 

[TottenhamMattSpur]

Funny, because I seem to recall that team that's not as good as we remember it, finishing 4th twice and beating AC Milan at the San Siro...

And a "good but not unstoppable" Gareth Bale tearing Inter a new hole over 1.5 matches.

 

[garryparkerschest]

The game would have been described as the irresistible force against the unmovable object.

Not being disrespectful to the current crop but ability wise, they don't come close to the team of 11/12 but that doesn't mean they wouldn't win.

I feel Poch would manage to nullify Redknap's 'go out and enjoy yourself approach and reliance on the speed of Bale and the artistry of Modric and VDV.

Could the team of 11/12 deal with the constant pressure of Poch's Pups? (Not quite Fergie's Fledglings but hey, I'm no journalist).

This team has more energy than it's ancestors and would win the game comfortably as the game went on. This team has more energy than it's ancestors and would win the game comfortably as the game wore on.

The league standing would be an interesting one, with Redknap's focus on the job and not Engalnd and the team having the edge on experience I think they'd finish the league in a higher position.

 

[diamond lights]

The big difference is that take Bale and Modric out of Harry's team and it would not achieve anything close to what it did. Take any two players out of Poch's team and two others potentially replace them with similar results. The one slight area of concern is a second centre forward to hold the ball up to replace Kane.
The point is that we're now about the "team" Harry was about the "players"

 

[jurgen]

Funny, because I seem to recall that team that's not as good as we remember it, finishing 4th twice and beating AC Milan at the San Siro...

I love what Poch appears to be doing and where this young team seems to be heading - but we do seem to enjoy rewriting history. I think its too early to bring stuff like this out after 12 games of this season, despite us looking good. I know to write off any good work by Redknapp is the fashion now, but Poch will have to prove his method works with some really strong finishes especially in the current climate where the top teams don't actually look that amazing and Chelsea look absolute shite.

I think Redknapp's team would do very very well in relation to the current level of the Prem big boys and I know this comparison is just a bit of fun - for the record I think Redknapp's players would have enough nous to beat our current team - but let's not get ahead of ourselves yet...

 

[For the love of Spurs]

One thing that I think Poch has done in comparison to our previous managers such as Redknapp is put the team over the indivdual almost totally. The egos are gone, team performance is valued over indivdual performance, this helps us in several ways.

1. Tottenham normally are reliant on one/two outstanding players, if that player doesn't perform we are screwed. We are very reliant on Kane but that's more to do with Levy not bringing in a cover striker than Poch. Where we do have resonable cover like Rose/Davies etc i don't get too worried with suspension/lack of form/injury.

2. Opposition teams can't just target one man to close out the game with us, they have to fight our system.

3. Lack of outstanding 'World Class' players means it's hard to lose what we have. Normally we develop a player like Bale or Modric or Sheringham etc then with their brilliance see them get bought by richer clubs which leaves us at square one. With Poch we could lose one or two and you feel we could find a way of replacing.them and we wouldn't be in the shit. Remember how under AVB we became team Bale, I don't think that will happen now so in that respect we are more durable.

 

[For the love of Spurs]

I think talent wise the Redknapp team would have the advantage and Modric/Parker combo would be very hard to dominate. I know we shut out Cazorla against Arsenal but Cazrola ain't Modric, he ain't even close and Parker was just about the hardest working player I remember at the lane.

However Loris is a better keeper and overall the Poch team looks better defensively than Redknapp's while Kane is a far more rounded striker than Ade or Crouch ever where. For me if Poch's team survived the first 60-70 mins I think they could get a result on superior fitness but my feeling would be 2-1 to Redknapp's side with a bit of magic from VDV & Bale.

It would be a bloody good game. One thing to note, Dier, Alli, Kane etc are still very young so it would be perhaps different in a few years as they become better.

 

[Bulletspur]

People who are claiming that Harry got us 4th, CL etc, who to say Poch's team and playing philosophy, wouldn't have done the same or better if they were to play the same opposition of THAT time? Conversely where would Harry's team be in this current EPL? All subjective I know.

Harry's 1st eleven versus Poch's : I would say Poch's would edge it as some have already pointed out the sum of the parts and efforts of his team would be enough to beat Harry's team of star individuals

On a side note I wonder how Walker of then compared to a Walker of now would fair?