Ratings vs Chelsea

[THFCSPURS19]

Agree. I've said it before but imo he's the only player that hasn't improved under Poch.

Last season was his best season for us.

 

[dannythomas]

Losing today was not a disaster. We weren't terrible against a team that may well win the League.

Losing to Monaco twice and Leverkusen at home were on the other hand complete disasters because the ream selections for instance on Tuesday showed that we treated the CL as lower priority than a League match which we lost anyway. We are a Europa League Team and last season was just a blip. That's where we will be next season too. At least we can use it to slowly integrate our promising young players. This year if we don't screw up against Moscow I think we should go for it as a priority. More chance of winning that than finishing top 4 . Would be nice to win some silverware and we are left with the EL or the FA Cup. No weakened teams in either please.

I agree 100% that we are missing Alderweireld hugely, we are missing Lamela and Kane is feeling his way back . Today we missed Rose. . But every team has injuries and suspensions to deal with and our back up players are just not good enough.

As for MOTM difficult because of how great we played for 40 minutes and how we just didn't play in the second half. Probably Walker.

 

[THFC_SWE]

Dembele was dreadful. He was dispossessed five times in this game. Two of the times Chelsea took advantage of it. It's not acceptable as a holding midfielder. Best today? It's hard to say. In the first half, it was a team effort.

 

[lukespurs7]

Just so typical.
I hate them so much (Chelsea, not our team).

We deserved at least a point there and positive performance. Mabye now the unbeaten run is over we can start winning some games.

Wanyama and Verts were excellent and Dembele tried very hard. The rest were meh.

 

[Colonel_Klinck]

I'm gutted we lost to that scum but pleased we showed some heart and pressed them hard for periods of the game. It's obvious we are missing that special player who can turn a game. Dele isn't living up to last year, Eriksen is frustrating as hell. Kane is looking better and worked his arse off. Son can beat a man but his pass/decision making then let's him down. Sissoko needs to go, I just can't ever see him coming good. Be good when Lamela comes back but he isn't going to get us enough goals on his own. His pressing game has been sadly missed though. For he right player Levy needs to splash the cash again. We have some very promising young players. Yet we need that player who can create and win you the game.

 

[am_yisrael_chai]

Dembele was dreadful. He was dispossessed five times in this game. Two of the times Chelsea took advantage of it. It's not acceptable as a holding midfielder. Best today? It's hard to say. In the first half, it was a team effort.

I don't usually abuse fellow Spurs fans but just go and do one. You clearly understand nothing about football. We play well when Dembele plays well. He set the entire tempo of our game in the opening period and was largely responsible for our dominance. Yes he made a mistake and so the muppets come out to have a pop.

 

[Wheeler Dealer]

Lloris 6
Walker 7
Vertonghen 6
Dier 6
Wimmer 4
Wanyama 7
Dembele 4
Eriksen 6
Dele 7
Son 5
Kane 7
N'koudou 6
Winks 6
Janssen 5

How can you give Son 5 and Dembele 4. Wimmer did little wrong as well.

 

[DiscoD1882]

5:30 kick off means people aren't really watching the game as they have been drinking for a few hours. Not taking any notice of the Rathings.

Thanks

 

[THFC_SWE]

I don't usually abuse fellow Spurs fans but just go and do one. You clearly understand nothing about football. We play well when Dembele plays well. He set the entire tempo of our game in the opening period and was largely responsible for our dominance. Yes he made a mistake and so the muppets come out to have a pop.

Yes I do understand football. But the fact is that he was dispossessed or gave away the ball several times. Two of the times Chelsea scored. Sure, the defenders should do it better, but both their goals started with a sloppy play from Dembele. Yes, he played well for 44 minutes. But in the end it doesn't matter if you do the same mistake, not only once, but twice. If a centre back plays well for 89 minutes and then makes a horrendous mistake, he will not get good ratings. If a goalkeeper plays well but then makes a Gomes mistake, he will get bad ratings. Dembele is a good player and was very important for us last season. He was really good against Arsenal. But today he was poor. He was not the only one, but nevertheless, he was poor. In football, a mistake is the difference between winning or losing a point.

 

[stevensthfc]

Last season was his best season for us.

Which parts of his game have improved under Poch?

 

[am_yisrael_chai]

Yes I do understand football. But the fact is that he was dispossessed or gave away the ball several times. Two of the times Chelsea scored. Sure, the defenders should do it better, but both their goals started with a sloppy play from Dembele. Yes, he played well for 44 minutes. But in the end it doesn't matter if you do the same mistake, not only once, but twice. If a centre back plays well for 89 minutes and then makes a horrendous mistake, he will not get good ratings. If a goalkeeper plays well but then makes a Gomes mistake, he will get bad ratings. Dembele is a good player and was very important for us last season. He was really good against Arsenal. But today he was poor. He was not the only one, but nevertheless, he was poor.

Please stop. You said Dembele was dreadful but now say he played well for 44 minutes, those 2 statements don't sit together. Then again you say he was poor. So which is it ?

 

[am_yisrael_chai]

Which parts of his game have improved under Poch?

his corners

 

[Spurger King]

MotM Janssen. Game changer.

 

[spurs mental]

Lloris -7 could do nothing for the goals. had little else do in the game.

Walker- 7 thought he was really good and Hazard got nothing out of him. just wish he would run at the opposition full back a bit more as he has the beating of everyone he comes up against.

Dier- 6. Didn't do much wrong but he is a DM not a CB now. need Toby back so he can move forward again

Jan-7 had Costa in his pocket all day I thought. He really has been excellent lately and deserves great credit for holding us together at times recently

Wimmer 7 was dreading him playing LB after watching him v ireland there but he was very good. When Moses stayed wide and high second half he struggled a bit but Moses goal aside didn't get anything out of him

Wanyama 8 a rock. And he is improving going forward as well

Dembele 6 lost the ball for the first goal and culpable for the second as well. Early yellow cost him though because when he lost it he couldnt make a tackle. orchestrated everything in the first half

Alli 6 great first half, anonymous in the second

Eriksen 6 see Alli

Son 5 see Alli/Eriksen except slightly worse.

Kane 6 don't know what more he could have done. worked tirelessly just not getting the service. he probably can't wait for Lamela to be back.

Nkoudou 7 had an impact when he came on. got them turned towards their own goal again and was the reason for Chelseas defensive subs.

Winks 6 good again. Didn't lose the ball..got us moving forward. needs to start next week

Janssen NET

 

[stevensthfc]

MotM Janssen. Game changer.

I like him but he's a really odd signing.

 

[Phomesy]

I don't usually abuse fellow Spurs fans but just go and do one. You clearly understand nothing about football. We play well when Dembele plays well. He set the entire tempo of our game in the opening period and was largely responsible for our dominance. Yes he made a mistake and so the muppets come out to have a pop.

Dembele didn't just "make a mistake" - he carelessly lost the ball multiple times when, having won the ball, our fullbacks (Walker) were charging forward and were left hopelessly exposed when Dembele's dwelling on the ball cost us a turnover.

It resulted in two goals.

The second of which you want to blame on Eriksen - fine, he as also indeicisve but it's hard being decisive around Dembele at the moment because NO ONE FUCKING KNOWS WHAT HE'S GOING TO DO!

Least of all Dembele.


Now, I agree with you that he's our most important player and actually sometimes we need him to take risks just to shake up the opponents shape. But he cost us badly tonight and pretending otherwise is just a little bit silly.

 

[spurs mental]

Yes I do understand football. But the fact is that he was dispossessed or gave away the ball several times. Two of the times Chelsea scored. Sure, the defenders should do it better, but both their goals started with a sloppy play from Dembele. Yes, he played well for 44 minutes. But in the end it doesn't matter if you do the same mistake, not only once, but twice. If a centre back plays well for 89 minutes and then makes a horrendous mistake, he will not get good ratings. If a goalkeeper plays well but then makes a Gomes mistake, he will get bad ratings. Dembele is a good player and was very important for us last season. He was really good against Arsenal. But today he was poor. He was not the only one, but nevertheless, he was poor. In football, a mistake is the difference between winning or losing a point.

If you are going to look at it objectively and say he played well for 44 mins, you cant say he was terrible as well. Those two statements are a complete contradiction

 

[THFC_SWE]

Please stop. You said Dembele was dreadful but now say he played well for 44 minutes, those 2 statements don't sit together. Then again you say he was poor. So which is it ?

Ye, but from minute 44 and forward he was dreadful. A game is 90 minutes (he did not play the whole game I know), not 44 minutes. A lot can happen after 44 minutes played. And after that he was dreadful.

 

[Spurger King]

I like him but he's a really odd signing.

I can see why we signed him. Pretty much perfect credentials. Young, prolific form in Holland, and not such a big reputation that he'd object to playing second fiddle to Kane.

Just waiting for that special moment that catapults him into Spurs folklore, but I suspect Lord Lucan will be president of Europe before that happens.

 

[am_yisrael_chai]

Ye, but from minute 44 and forward he was dreadful. A game is 90 minutes (he did not play the whole game I know), not 44 minutes. A lot can happen after 44 minutes played. And after that he was dreadful.

Honestly you are really embarrassing yourself, just stop. Perhaps go and watch this if you want a decent perspective on the game.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/38117911