Poch: In or Out? - You CAN change your vote

[Zummerzet Spur]

It would be refreshing for the club to stand behind the manager and oversee a rebuild for a change.

Swapping managers may give a a short time fix but imho it’s the egos of certain players and the lack of investment at the right time that have caused the problems.

Swapping managers out frequently in the past hasn’t exactly worked out for us has it so let’s get behind Poch for a new era.

 

[cjbyid]

If you've watched football for any length of time, you can often spot when a manager's time is up. Sadly, I'm seeing that with Poch. I was so proud to have him as our manager, the way he spoke, the way the team played, everything. I had hoped he would be here for a couple of decades at least, and lead us to years of glory...and for a while it looked like that might be something that was going to happen.

Something changed a while back, though. The way Poch spoke started to change. The team stopped playing fantastic football. Results started to go against us. I was thrilled to make the CL final, we all were. But we could also all see that something was wrong. Results don't lie over a long period, and for the last year our league form has been absolutely terrible. It's become quite obvious that Poch either doesn't know how to sort it, or is not able to sort it if he does know how.

Poch isn't the man to take us forward, and that's the truth of it, like it or not...and I for one really don't like it. But it is what it is...he's not going to be able to turn it around, and keeping him is only delaying the inevitable. If we want to keep moving forward as a club we need to make the hard decisions, and getting rid of Poch is probably one of the hardest decisions the club will have had to take since ENIC took over. Credit in the bank? Not in top level football. Start going backwards and it's game over.

Do I want Poch gone? Hell no. I want the old Poch back, the one who was a gentleman, the one who put together a team that played quality, exciting football and won games. I don't want the new Poch, the sulky one, the bitter one, the ridiculously stubborn one, the one who talks complete bollocks and hasn't got a clue how to set the team up. He has always had limitations tactically, and his in-game management has never been very good, but what he did have covered, in the main, what he lacked. That is no longer the case.

Whatever is wrong with the team is down to Poch. Whether it's the training, the motivating...whatever it is. Poch is the manager and it's his job to sort it. If he can't do his job properly he shouldn't be in it. Which leads back to the opening line of this post: sometimes a manager's time is up, and you just have to accept it, whether you like it or not. Poch's time is up. I hate it, but it's how it is.

I support Spurs. Always. I've loved players and managers, some of them I will love for ever...but I love the club first and foremost, and although I still love Poch, I love the club far more. If it's in the club's best interests to let him go, then we have to let him go...and sadly, I think that now it is in the club's best interests to do that.

Exactly my feelings too. Well said.

 

[Zummerzet Spur]

As others have pointed out the decline has been for a while but this also coincided with an awful run of injuries and a depleted, patched up squad.

I didn’t like Poch’s weird comments about going if they won the CL, but Levy has also f**ked up with investing too late so let’s draw a line under that and start afresh recognising the previous shortcomings.

IMHO Poch has more than enough credit in the bank with four consecutive top four finishes so should be given the time and opportunity to rebuild.

 

[rabbikeane]

People like you will moan when a player comes out saying they want to leave and yet the first sign of trouble you want to sack a manager that has completely transformed us from trying to get into the top 4 to trying to win the league. Why don't we bring in Pardew to replace him so some of the fans can get what they deserve?

Difficult post to reply to, it's all over the place. All players are replaceable, and will have to be replaced in the end. What I'll moan more about is if our sporting leadership let player's contract run weak. Transfers are part of the game, buying and selling well is as important as what goes on in the trainingground. I expect professionalism, the club leadership to make good decisions and deliver results. All to the best of the club above individuals, they're highly compensated for that. At the moment Pochettino have run us to the ground and aren't even delivering mediocrity. I expect Levy to make decision based on logic, not loyalty.

 

[dontcallme]

Another decent article in The Athletic today. Discusses teams bouncing back from periods like we are going through right now.

Discusses how Palace responded after losing 9-0 to Liverpool and bouncing back to beat them in the FA Cup semi final that season.

Essentially they identified the biggest issues and spent in the transfer market. January is a notoriously difficult time to buy but we need to identify a right back and go all out for him.

I know we have other other issues but this area is critical.

 

[freeeki]

So after that gut-wrenching result at the weekend, there's no been a major shift in opinion. Of 815 votes cast, 62.5% of SC voters want Pochettino to remain in post, and 37.5% want him to vacate the manager's role.

The margin has dropped a little from 26.2% to 25%

I imagine a fresh poll would yield different results

 

[rez9000]

I asume most votes had already been cast and that very few will bother to change it in the poll.

Can’t rightly say, although I have made mention of the fact that people can change their votes and would encourage it so we have an accurate picture of what the mood is.

I might change the thread title so people who just came in to vote but may not have read the thread itself know that they can...

 

[DannyNZ]

Another decent article in The Athletic today. Discusses teams bouncing back from periods like we are going through right now.

Discusses how Palace responded after losing 9-0 to Liverpool and bouncing back to beat them in the FA Cup semi final that season.

Essentially they identified the biggest issues and spent in the transfer market. January is a notoriously difficult time to buy but we need to identify a right back and go all out for him.

I know we have other other issues but this area is critical.

As much as we need a quality RB we also need a quality DM otherwise we’ll continue to see our defence continue to be exposed.

 

[Spurs 1961]

I imagine a fresh poll would yield different results

Yes I suspect that less would now vote for Poch out. Match threads pull out all the negative people unless of course we are winning in which case there are very few posts. Now the dust has settled most people, you will always get the very vocal minority making a lot of noise, will have taken a more considered view. Add the results of the best team in the world + ManU and some perspective has perhaps been gained.

 

[freeeki]

Yes I suspect that less would now vote for Poch out. Match threads pull out all the negative people unless of course we are winning in which case there are very few posts. Now the dust has settled most people, you will always get the very vocal minority making a lot of noise, will have taken a more considered view. Add the results of the best team in the world + ManU and some perspective has perhaps been gained.

Yes, I bet that dismal 3-0 loss away to Brighton has warmed no end of people to the idea of more of this dross...

 

[Time for Heroes]

You are all glutton for punishment!

 

[Spurs 1961]

Yes, I bet that dismal 3-0 loss away to Brighton has warmed no end of people to the idea of more of this dross...

Th poll itself was I suspect just a nod to the popularist tend in society. Sadly real discussion just does not exist any more but just people seeking to shout there points of view, which are always right. But this is a whole debate around social media and its echo chamber qualities. I keep away from it in general and now guess have to not go on this site for a while until some sanity returns to the site

 

[freeeki]

Th poll itself was I suspect just a nod to the popularist tend in society. Sadly real discussion just does not exist any more but just people seeking to shout there points of view, which are always right. But this is a whole debate around social media and its echo chamber qualities. I keep away from it in general and now guess have to not go on this site for a while until some sanity returns to the site

Views which aren't yours are insane. Interesting take but fair enough.

 

[cookiemonster]

I think United will go for Allegri if they sack Ole.

A mulltiple trophies winner v someone who won a big fat zero

Easy choice

 

[mike_l]

A lot of the people who want Poch out didn't follow Spurs in the 90s and early 2000s.

I've said it before in one of the various threads but this is a good opportunity to whip it out again, it was easy to accept being shit when you had Andy Sinton and Ruel Fox bringing the attacking flair, just because we've endured those times doesn't mean we shouldn't expect more from the current lot.

 

[dontcallme]

As much as we need a quality RB we also need a quality DM otherwise we’ll continue to see our defence continue to be exposed.

Disagree. It has been shown that we are continuously shipping goals down our right side.

Aurier is nowhere near good enough, KWP is a kid and not trusted by Poch so Sissoko is our best option playing him out of position.

We have numerous internationals playing in midfield. If top quality becomes available indefensive mid then great but this isn't critical in January.

 

[Japhet]

Disagree. It has been shown that we are continuously shipping goals down our right side.

Aurier is nowhere near good enough, KWP is a kid and not trusted by Poch so Sissoko is our best option playing him out of position.

We have numerous internationals playing in midfield. If top quality becomes available indefensive mid then great but this isn't critical in January.

It really remains to be seen whether Dier can recover any sort of acceptable form. IMO, some of our summer transfer strategy revolved around 2 main hopes that failed to materialise. One was that Eriksen would either be sold or would sign a new deal like he said he would. The other was that Dier would be OK in the DM role. As things stand I'd rather see Skipp given a chance since he looked raring to go in pre season.

 

[dontcallme]

It really remains to be seen whether Dier can recover any sort of acceptable form. IMO, some of our summer transfer strategy revolved around 2 main hopes that failed to materialise. One was that Eriksen would either be sold or would sign a new deal like he said he would. The other was that Dier would be OK in the DM role. As things stand I'd rather see Skipp given a chance since he looked raring to go in pre season.

Sure, my point is we have options in centre mid so isn't a critical position for buying right now. I believe right back is.

 

[Japhet]

Sure, my point is we have options in centre mid so isn't a critical position for buying right now. I believe right back is.

Right back was top of my list in the summer. In fact, when I look back at my transfer pledges I had Meunier, Grimaldo and Diarawa or Berge near the top of the list. I wonder where we'd be if we'd got those 3.

 

[Blake Griffin]

i'm #PochIn but he needs to make a statement now by ditching the players that have checked out mentally, similar to what he did when he first came here. i don't know whether he just feels loyal to them or he thinks that they're still better than the alternative but if he carries on sticking by them then it's hard to see any other conclusion than us continuing to struggle and him getting the sack.