Poch: In or Out? - You CAN change your vote

[BazSpur]

Stay but Enic must back him properly. However, I think it will be the same old, same old from Enic.

 

[Everlasting Seconds]

60%/40% Remain.
Dwarfs the Brexit vote.
So he's got at least 3 years.
Can we combine the two threads?

Voted out because Pochettino is an immigrant who speaks foreign and steals jobs from Englishmen.

 

[JimmyG2]

Voted out because Pochettino is an immigrant who speaks foreign and steals jobs from Englishmen.

Not from the EU though
so won't make any difference
and Spurs love an Argentinian
or three.

 

[sausage]

Klopp had a similar rocky spell at Dortmund when Gotze and Lewandowski left. In our case it's the imminent loss of Eriksen and probable losses of Alderweireld and Vertonghen. Klopp knew he could go somewhere that would back him much better than Dortmund, but I'm not sure that's the case with Poch. It seems we have money to spend and links with players like Dybala should envigorate any manager. As ever though, the question is whether Poch has lost heart in the project, but if he has, I don't see him going to a club like RM who have much higher demands and expectations than us, who'd be over the moon with an FA Cup.

I don't think Klopp compares at all - for a start, he won stuff there. Secondly, you're comparing a situation where they lost and didn't replace two of their best players - we haven't.

Stay but Enic must back him properly. However, I think it will be the same old, same old from Enic.

Like this summer you mean, when we got all of the targets we were told he wanted at the start of the summer, and also as close to nearly a mega-signing in Dybala?

 

[SheffieldAndy]

The people saying they want Poch out because he persists in playing a terrible formation that doesn’t suit the players we have, meaning we play a lot of players out of position and therefore make them and us unhappy, surely can’t be the same people saying they want to get Mourinho in? Because that’s exactly to a tee what he did in his last job.

And if they are, they’re the same people saying we can’t reminisce about how good things used to be, we have to look at the here and now. Which if they want Mourinho to replace him, seems to absolutely fly in the face of what they’re saying.

 

[Everlasting Seconds]

Not from the EU though
so won't make any difference
and Spurs love an Argentinian
or three.

True. But when his kids are sick and they all sit in the NHS waiting rooms, they speak foreign.
So must go.

 

[Ronwol196061]

He's saying the amount of work being done to a high standard will be lower than before due to those about leave or thinking of leaving. I'd hazard a guess he is talking about those who were suppose to leave in the summer and who haven't signed new contracts thus likely wanting to leave in January or at season's end.

Why didnt he insist on buying cover in defence

 

[JimmyG2]

True. But when his kids are sick and they all sit in the NHS waiting rooms, they speak foreign.
So must go.

You mean Levy hasn't given him
Private Health Insurance
Cheapskate.
Have you ever seen
a Premiership Manager's kids
in an NHS waiting room?

They'll be up at the Highgate.
They speak English anyway.

Mind you when he's at
Real you might have a case.

 

[Everlasting Seconds]

You mean Levy hasn't given him
Private Health Insurance
Cheapskate.
Have you ever seen
a Premiership Manager's kids
in an NHS waiting room?

They'll be up at the Highgate.
They speak English anyway.

Mind you when he's at
Real you might have a case.

OK.
But he as a foreigner is not contributing to society right now as much as an Englishman would, given the latest results.
So must go.

 

[Japhet]

I don't think Klopp compares at all - for a start, he won stuff there. Secondly, you're comparing a situation where they lost and didn't replace two of their best players - we haven't.

I'd say losing Dembele and not replacing him synchronised perfectly with our crash. It's taken a while for the dust to settle on the zero spend for 18 months, but the reality is biting now.

 

[raj]

Football can be sweet and brutal...I guess many will be saying Poch out and may be we might have to bite the bullet. Personally I'm all in for Poch staying he clearly needs backing from Levy to build another team. Players need to be moved on load out side lined.

Out:
Vertonghen
Toby
Aurier
Wanyama
Eriksen
Rose

I would think about Lloris to.

Please do include Dier and Alli!

 

[JimmyG2]

OK.
But he as a foreigner is not contributing to society right now as much as an Englishman would, given the latest results.
So must go.

Step away from the goalposts.
Which Englishman would that be?

 

[double0]

Please do include Dier and Alli!

don't be silly

 

[rez9000]

I suspect there will be a couple of times on Saturday when there will be a change.

One at 11.30 when the team news comes in and another at about 2.30 depending on the result.

Quite possibly!

 

[Everlasting Seconds]

Step away from the goalposts.
Which Englishman would that be?

Just men. Who are English.We wouldn't be in this mess if we voted out.

 

[sausage]

I'd say losing Dembele and not replacing him synchronised perfectly with our crash. It's taken a while for the dust to settle on the zero spend for 18 months, but the reality is biting now.

No - losing a player that wasn't playing anyway due to chronic fitness issues isn't the problem, nor is it similar to what happened with Klopp. Dembele missed 11 consecutive games through injury before he left - he was in a pretty similar situation that Wanyama is now.

If there's any synchronicity, it's related to speculation for other jobs and his change in tact of how he spoke about such things. Since then, it seems like something hasn't been right in the squad. Very similar to Redknapp's final season.

 

[sausage]

The people saying they want Poch out because he persists in playing a terrible formation that doesn’t suit the players we have, meaning we play a lot of players out of position and therefore make them and us unhappy, surely can’t be the same people saying they want to get Mourinho in? Because that’s exactly to a tee what he did in his last job.

On the contrary - Mourinho seemed to know exactly what their issues were; a terrible old defence. So much so that the formations had to compensate for that.

I wouldn't expect to get much credibility for trying to make out like one of (if not, the) most successful football manager of modern times is somehow not good at what he does.

United have been turd since SAF's last season, and the denial of that from club and fans has seen them tear through a vast array of otherwise reputable managers who, despite that, seem to have won trophies.

 

[SheffieldAndy]

On the contrary - Mourinho seemed to know exactly what their issues were; a terrible old defence. So much so that the formations had to compensate for that.

I wouldn't expect to get much credibility for trying to make out like one of (if not, the) most successful football manager of modern times is somehow not good at what he does.

United have been turd since SAF's last season, and the denial of that from club and fans has been them tear through a vast array of otherwise reputable managers who, despite that, seem to have won trophies.

They did have a terrible defence, but the formations used to work around that didn’t work particularly well. So knowing what the issues are and fixing them don’t go hand in hand.

I didn’t post for credibility, I posted so people may realise that the grass isn’t always greener, and that getting Mourinho in guarantees nothing. Regardless of him being a proven winner, he got sacked for exactly what people are calling for Poch’s head for.
I also didn’t say he hasn’t been good at what he’s done, I said in his last job he’s done exactly what Poch is being said to be doing now. Not addressing glaring holes in the squad and playing people out of position in formations that don’t on the whole work.


They have been turd, but they had a squad that was better than it’s performances. Sounds an awful like what a lot of our fans are saying about us...

 

[sausage]

Regardless of him being a proven winner, he got sacked for exactly what people are calling for Poch’s head for.

You can't really compare the circumstances. Mourinho was sacked by a fickle club after being left with a big weakness in defence, on top of an already crap defence. For some reason, Woodward didn't want to fix any of the problems they have subsequently done for Solskjaer.

Beyond this, he (like LVG) is a top manager who won things for the club. Pochettino hasn't, which leads people (myself included) to wonder if this decline is the result of players losing faith in him. He has been suggesting (since the problems began) that he would leave if he won something - that should be the opposite of the situation.

What annoys me more than anything is the quality in our squad, and yet in these 5 years we've still got nothing in the cabinet. Roberto Martinez won the FA Cup with Wigan, Redknapp with Portsmouth.. even Di Matteo won it for Chelsea despite being far from the best manager and having lots of weaknesses in that squad. With the League Cup, you have Alex McLeish (Birmingham), Michael Laudrup (Swansea), Steve McClaren with Middlesbrough...Kenny Dalglish with a crap liverpool side... then Juande Ramos. None of those were quality managers with league challenging sides.

I'm simply not accepting that we shouldn't be winning something in these peak Harry Kane years. Soon enough, he'll be wondering, too (if he isn't already). That's why people are warm to the idea of Mourinho - because he wins trophies, regardless of the task. Take into account that he'd have less pressure here than Man Utd, he wouldn't be living in a hotel, and seems to want redemption, it's crazy to think we should pass on him if we end up looking and he is keen.

 

[yankspurs]

I agree, but if he has lost the dressing room then it probably doesn't matter how loyal the fans are - it will only end one way. People will take that into account when voting.

And 60% want him to stay. Considering that we've just had the worst home defeat in our history that seems pretty loyal. I'd guess that most other managers would have much lower figures.

Thing is, we need to freshen up the dressing room. Not the backroom. A lack of player turnover with an aging squad running down their contracts is not a recipe for success. As a result, we’ve been toiling away for 2 years. And there are now a few players many Spurs fans would be more than happy if they were sent away from the team for the remainder of their contract. This isnt poch’s fault. It’s Levy’s. He’s practically gone from one extreme in the transfer policy to the other extreme where what was needed was a middle ground.