Player Watch Player Watch: Giovani Lo Celso

[Johnny J]

We need strength in depth. Injuries and form mean we need to keep players like GLC to compete. If he wants out, sure, sell him. But if he wants to stay, there are about six other players I'd sell before him.

 

[SpursSince1980]

Pretty poor if we are considering selling Gio this late on in the window imo.
After Maddison he is the only natural option for the 10 role and from Ange's comments he seems to be relying on him for the season ahead.
Appreciate we need to trim the squad but Ange seems to have integrated GLC into his system and the small sample of preseason suggests he might be able to get something out of him. Selling him now just creates another hole in the squad we dont need with a week to go in the window.

Are we? Haven't seen anything about us wanting to sell him this TW.

 

[SG7]

Sure you support spurs mate? Who the fuck doesn’t want us to have the strongest squad possible which means two top options in every position?!

I don't support keeping potentially unhappy players when they are well within their rights to expect first team football.

"Two top options" in every position is football manager.
Reality entails a more measured approach. Lo Celso has suiters who are in the Champions League, including Barcelona.
You might be happy forcing him to stay and sit on the bench, where he's not even being subbed on against Brentford. For me, that's unreasonable and unfair to the player.

Not saying we should go out of our way to sell him, but if he wants to leave and we get a good offer, I don't believe we should block him from leaving.

 

[KingNick]

I don't support keeping potentially unhappy players when they are well within their rights to expect first team football.

"Two top options" in every position is football manager.
Reality entails a more measured approach. Lo Celso has suiters who are in the Champions League, including Barcelona.
You might be happy forcing him to stay and sit on the bench, where he's not even being subbed on against Brentford. For me, that's unreasonable and unfair to the player.

Not saying we should go out of our way to sell him, but if he wants to leave and we get a good offer, I don't believe we should block him from leaving.

Couldn’t give a toss if he thinks he “deserves first team football”. He can challenge for his place, under the king-term contract he voluntarily signed. No player should ever be assured a starting position.

following your approach, we’d never be able to fill a bench other than with players who are just happy to be there.

 

[Ben1]

I don't support keeping potentially unhappy players when they are well within their rights to expect first team football.

"Two top options" in every position is football manager.
Reality entails a more measured approach. Lo Celso has suiters who are in the Champions League, including Barcelona.
You might be happy forcing him to stay and sit on the bench, where he's not even being subbed on against Brentford. For me, that's unreasonable and unfair to the player.

Not saying we should go out of our way to sell him, but if he wants to leave and we get a good offer, I don't believe we should block him from leaving.

Not in the last week of the window, when we’re already short in others areas, we shouldn’t.

 

[DenverSpur]

Sure you support spurs mate? Who the fuck doesn’t want us to have the strongest squad possible which means two top options in every position?!

Having two top OPTIONS is not the
same as having one starter and cover for him. We’ve got move away from this idea of a (set) starting 11. To be successful you need REAL competition for every position. I’m actually a little disappointed with Postecoglou for not bringing on Lo Celso in our first 2 games. Whether it was for Madison or Skipp/Sarr didn’t matter; he should have got minutes. I thought AP had a reputation of making more use of his whole squad by making more and earlier substitutions than he has so far.

 

[Frank Blank]

Having two top OPTIONS is not the
same as having one starter and cover for him. We’ve got move away from this idea of a (set) starting 11. To be successful you need REAL competition for every position. I’m actually a little disappointed with Postecoglou for not bringing on Lo Celso in our first 2 games. Whether it was for Madison or Skipp/Sarr didn’t matter; he should have got minutes. I thought AP had a reputation of making more use of his whole squad by making more and earlier substitutions than he has so far.

Having Madisson and LoCelso on the pitch at the same time is, for me, a risky proposition in most circumstances. Yes, more creative, but also more lightweight defensively.

 

[BorjeSpurs]

Having Madisson and LoCelso on the pitch at the same time is, for me, a risky proposition in most circumstances. Yes, more creative, but also more lightweight defensively.

Well one potential solution for that would be to play Maddison on the right. According to transfermarkt he played there in about half the games for Leicester last season.

You can then have Lo Celso in the advanced CM role and still keep Sarr and Bissouma as holders.

 

[Jgplk1]

I don't support keeping potentially unhappy players when they are well within their rights to expect first team football.

"Two top options" in every position is football manager.
Reality entails a more measured approach. Lo Celso has suiters who are in the Champions League, including Barcelona.
You might be happy forcing him to stay and sit on the bench, where he's not even being subbed on against Brentford. For me, that's unreasonable and unfair to the player.

Not saying we should go out of our way to sell him, but if he wants to leave and we get a good offer, I don't believe we should block him from leaving.

I'm sorry, he's paid and paid well by the club. I can't remember which manager said it, maybe Pochettino, but the players are paid to train. It's up to them to train well enough to get picked for the 1st team.

If he really wants out, he should be allowed to leave, but we've had quotes from teammates saying he wants to stay. So it's totally up to him to earn a 1st team place.

 

[littlewilly]

Having two top OPTIONS is not the
same as having one starter and cover for him. We’ve got move away from this idea of a (set) starting 11. To be successful you need REAL competition for every position. I’m actually a little disappointed with Postecoglou for not bringing on Lo Celso in our first 2 games. Whether it was for Madison or Skipp/Sarr didn’t matter; he should have got minutes. I thought AP had a reputation of making more use of his whole squad by making more and earlier substitutions than he has so far.

I think he's admitted as much.

 

[Timberwolf]

I don't support keeping potentially unhappy players when they are well within their rights to expect first team football.

"Two top options" in every position is football manager.
Reality entails a more measured approach. Lo Celso has suiters who are in the Champions League, including Barcelona.
You might be happy forcing him to stay and sit on the bench, where he's not even being subbed on against Brentford. For me, that's unreasonable and unfair to the player.

Not saying we should go out of our way to sell him, but if he wants to leave and we get a good offer, I don't believe we should block him from leaving.

Think over the course of the season he'll get plenty of minutes between rotation, subs and Maddison missing games. The first 2 games were tough ones and Maddison was playing very well, plus we wasted a sub in the Brentford game. I can get him being disappointed but I'm sure he'll get minutes soon regardless of Maddisons injury.

If he's kicking and screaming asking to leave and we're blocking him that's not great, but there's nothing to suggest that's the case. And we're never going similar level competition in this market for less than 50m so we'd be mad to sell him right now when we need to strengthen other positions this window.

 

[G Ron]

Think he’ll get minutes from the bench today and start midweek. I’d be very surprised if he starts ahead of Maddison today.

 

[Klinsmannesque]

I don't support keeping potentially unhappy players when they are well within their rights to expect first team football.

"Two top options" in every position is football manager.
Reality entails a more measured approach. Lo Celso has suiters who are in the Champions League, including Barcelona.
You might be happy forcing him to stay and sit on the bench, where he's not even being subbed on against Brentford. For me, that's unreasonable and unfair to the player.

Not saying we should go out of our way to sell him, but if he wants to leave and we get a good offer, I don't believe we should block him from leaving.

No one should expect first team football they should earn it. Gio hasn’t yet, whether that’s down to him the last few years, the systems he’s been asked to play in or both - there are 3cm spots, 2 of which he can play in so it’s up to him to stand up and be counted

 

[Snuzzy]

Having two top OPTIONS is not the
same as having one starter and cover for him. We’ve got move away from this idea of a (set) starting 11. To be successful you need REAL competition for every position.

To politely disagree, at least on this forum this has been gospel for *ages* and I think reality doesn't actually correlate to this.

Most very top teams you can fairly well name their starting XI with usually 2, sometimes 3 (but rarely more than that) variants.

We've often had a stronger squad than a first team, we've often overdiagnosed lack of competition, we've had a bloated squad and, most crucially for me, there been constant talk on the forum of "need competition for places" while simultaneously having a slew of manager who absolute do not heavily rotate.

This is a general point. You obviously still need quality and options in a squad, but "I'm happy having players who aren't all that great in the rotation if it means we can bump up the quality of the top 13 outfield players who are going to start the vast majority of matches unless injured" isn't voiced enough as a counterpoint.

 

[KILLA_SIN]

It's 2 games into a 50-game season with cups. Last year Yves got injured the game before Rodrigo and that was our season over. We're an injury to JM away from that happening again

 

[SG7]

No one should expect first team football they should earn it. Gio hasn’t yet, whether that’s down to him the last few years, the systems he’s been asked to play in or both - there are 3cm spots, 2 of which he can play in so it’s up to him to stand up and be counted

Find it very strange that people still think it's a given he can play a deeper role in the Premier League.

 

[$hoguN]

Good to see him get on.

 

[yido_number1]

Good to see him get on.

Decent run out, had the look of a player that might be going. Same for Hojbjerg, noticed he didn't fly into that last tackle

 

[Tucker]

Didn’t really make much of an impact, but In fairness it was wellying it down.

 

[ebzrascal]

I thought he grew into the game a few rusty touches for his first few mins then played some decent passes.. I think he will get minutes if he stays