Lets all laugh at Newcastle

[tommo84]

I remember when the takeover happened at NUFC the pundits were saying that because of their lack of spending during the 3yr lead up meant they were in a great position to buy big. What happened, did they blow the budget in the first window?

They’ve spent a lot more money than people realise. Eddie Howe keeps playing down their spending but he’s spent a lot. Isak, Botman, Guimaraes, Tonali, Livramento, Gordon.

None of them have been cheap.

 

[Misfit]

I remember when the takeover happened at NUFC the pundits were saying that because of their lack of spending during the 3yr lead up meant they were in a great position to buy big. What happened, did they blow the budget in the first window?

Yes. Combined with their much smaller revenue than even us, much less Citeh etc, they're stuck in the middle

 

[razor1981]

I remember when the takeover happened at NUFC the pundits were saying that because of their lack of spending during the 3yr lead up meant they were in a great position to buy big. What happened, did they blow the budget in the first window?

They've bought big since the takeover, and the only reason they aren't already in FFP trouble is because Ashley's years did give them a bit of extra wiggle room.

Their problem now is that revenues have not grown as quickly as they might have hoped/expected, their early exit from Europe has meant their CL earnings won't be huge and from next season the Ashley years will no longer count in the PSR calculations.

They now have to start living within their means, but with a massive wage bill, a lack of sellable academy graduates to boost their turnover, and Champions League looking unlikely next season - they now need to think about selling off one or two of their bigger stars just to get themselves within the PSR threshold.

 

[k1cks77]

I remember when the takeover happened at NUFC the pundits were saying that because of their lack of spending during the 3yr lead up meant they were in a great position to buy big. What happened, did they blow the budget in the first window?

FFP is accumulative loses of £105 over 3 years. So essentially the first two years they could go big because of mike ashley not spending anything. Now this is going into the third year of the saudi reign they cant do that as they were making big losses the past two years and would go over the £105million losses over the past three years.

basically the days of chelsea and man city being backed for hundreds of millions from day one have gone and it will take years for clubs to get their in terms of raising their revenue stream up, but im sure the saudis will find a dodgy back door to do it like city and psg did, i mean for years psg were the biggest shirt sellers in the world apparently, despite me never seeing a kid wear one ever!

dare i say it, we really are the best club placed to be bought by a billionaire, with our revenue competing with all of the big boys globally, we would be competing from the off.

 

[DJS]

Yes. Combined with their much smaller revenue than even us, much less Citeh etc, they're stuck in the middle

St. James park is 52,000 capacity and they sell that out every game so should get some good income from that?

(disclaimer: I don’t know maths for shit so apologies for any potentially dopey financial- related posts in this thread).

 

[FrankSpencer]

FFP is accumulative loses of £105 over 3 years. So essentially the first two years they could go big because of mike ashley not spending anything. Now this is going into the third year of the saudi reign they cant do that as they were making big losses the past two years and would go over the £105million losses over the past three years.

basically the days of chelsea and man city being backed for hundreds of millions from day one have gone and it will take years for clubs to get their in terms of raising their revenue stream up, but im sure the saudis will find a dodgy back door to do it like city and psg did, i mean for years psg were the biggest shirt sellers in the world apparently, despite me never seeing a kid wear one ever!

dare i say it, we really are the best club placed to be bought by a billionaire, with our revenue competing with all of the big boys globally, we would be competing from the off.

They will no doubt navigate around it, such as ‘Arabian Airlines’ sponsoring the Newcastle training ground for £50m per season!

 

[quackers]

St. James park is 52,000 capacity and they sell that out every game so should get some good income from that?

(disclaimer: I don’t know maths for shit so apologies for any potentially dopey financial- related posts in this thread).

doubt it - their tickets are cheap - wouldn't bring in any more than say Fulham as the ave fan up north wouldn't be able to afford going to games otherwise.

We are lucky/unlucky with high london prices/wages.

 

[Misfit]

St. James park is 52,000 capacity and they sell that out every game so should get some good income from that?

(disclaimer: I don’t know maths for shit so apologies for any potentially dopey financial- related posts in this thread).

Yes. Ticket prices are relatively cheap, especially compared to London clubs, as of now I believe. Someone posted the figures on here a few weeks back I think. Their revenue is in the £250 -£300 million territory.

No doubt their owners will get those bumped a bit going forwards but until then...

 

[razor1981]

St. James park is 52,000 capacity and they sell that out every game so should get some good income from that?

(disclaimer: I don’t know maths for shit so apologies for any potentially dopey financial- related posts in this thread).

Their tickets are half the price of ours. The owners could try increasing them, but I'm pretty sure that would not go down well with the locals. My mum is a Geordie, and a regular attendee at SJP and she's already complaining about the fairly modest price increases they've had.

They also don't have the level of corporate hospitality that they could charge the really big bucks for.

Their best avenue for increasing revenues is through their commercial deals, but that's not going to be easy for them. Their 'brand' just isn't very valuable to sponsors at the moment. That can change with a bit of success, but there are no guarantees of that.

 

[FrankSpencer]

Simon Bird in the Mirror speculates in his opinion piece that Almiron is going to be around the 30m mark - which is close to his transfermarkt value anyway. So anything above that is inflated, right?

They don't have too many players that can raise the sort of funds they would need to improve. Selling players like Guimaraes or Isak (their top two on transfermarkt; 85m & 70m) leaves them needing to replace those with players of a similar level as well as add to the squad.

Gordon is third on the list and I doubt they'd sell him. Sven Botman is 4th at 45m. The next five most valuable players are injured or suspended, and Almiron is next.

Lewis Miley is a big win for them, I suspect this is another reason why they’re willing to let Almorin go.

 

[DJS]

This thread is proving really interesting and informative today!

Didn't factor in season ticket prices as just assumed all clubs ripped off their fans and given how huge their fan base is thought they’d be well set up so interesting to see the information on here giving more insight, thanks to those who have responded to me!

 

[superted4]

This thread is proving really interesting and informative today!

Didn't factor in season ticket prices as just assumed all clubs ripped off their fans and given how huge their fan base is thought they’d be well set up so interesting to see the information on here giving more insight, thanks to those who have responded to me!

It’s all relative to the area as well. Much lower wages and cost of living in the north east, so it’s still a fair whack out of the average joes pay packet

 

[newbie]

They will no doubt navigate around it, such as ‘Arabian Airlines’ sponsoring the Newcastle trading ground for £50m per season!

Man City got that for there staff loo block.

 

[newbie]

It’s all relative to the area as well. Much lower wages and cost of living in the north east, so it’s still a fair whack out of the average joes pay packet

Exactly no cheese room.

As much as it pains me to say it, you could argue letting them buy Newcastle is genius, it’s brought loads of money in to the area, then ffp comes in so they will need to invest more in to the community.

i hope ffp rubber ducks all the oil robbing bastards!

 

[newbie]

This thread is proving really interesting and informative today!

Didn't factor in season ticket prices as just assumed all clubs ripped off their fans and given how huge their fan base is thought they’d be well set up so interesting to see the information on here giving more insight, thanks to those who have responded to me!

our stadium is a revenue monster I think it’s over taken old Trafford I think it’s only psg who make more in Europe.

you can’t help but spend a tonne of money in there.

not to mention the corporate facilitie, tours, gigs etc.

 

[tommo84]

It’s not just the ticket prices being lower than in the south, SJP is right in the city centre so a lot of their fans will buy food and drink away from the stadium. Despite the Geordies propensity for a beer, I’d bet the local pubs see more of that money than the football club on match days. Furthermore, they still don’t (yet) attract the level of football tourism that the so-called Big 6 do, so they probably don’t make nearly as much money on merchandise on match days as we do.

That’s where Levy has hit the jackpot with our stadium. It’s a destination stadium which attracts lots of people who want to experience everything the stadium has to offer, and Sonny of course attracts his own fans from South Korea to every home game. Every one of those will spend a lot more on match day than your average Geordie season ticket holder.

 

[newbie]

It’s not just the ticket prices being lower than in the south, SJP is right in the city centre so a lot of their fans will buy food and drink away from the stadium. Despite the Geordies propensity for a beer, I’d bet the local pubs see more of that money than the football club on match days. Furthermore, they still don’t (yet) attract the level of football tourism that the so-called Big 6 do, so they probably don’t make nearly as much money on merchandise on match days as we do.

That’s where Levy has hit the jackpot with our stadium. It’s a destination stadium which attracts lots of people who want to experience everything the stadium has to offer, and Sonny of course attracts his own fans from South Korea to every home game. Every one of those will spend a lot more on match day than your average Geordie season ticket holder.

it was taking nearly a million a game in food and drink, I bet that’s up this season.

and the spurs stores always packed.

last season the stadium was more fun then the games

 

[GMI]

They will no doubt navigate around it, such as ‘Arabian Airlines’ sponsoring the Newcastle training ground for £50m per season!

That loophole has been closed too now as any deal is scrutinised and must represent fair market value.

 

[Misfit]

This thread is proving really interesting and informative today!

Didn't factor in season ticket prices as just assumed all clubs ripped off their fans and given how huge their fan base is thought they’d be well set up so interesting to see the information on here giving more insight, thanks to those who have responded to me!

Slightly old data but couldn't find the Swiss Ramble stuff. Gives an idea of the him they yet to climb though.

 

[newbie]

Slightly old data but couldn't find the Swiss Ramble stuff. Gives an idea of the him they yet to climb though.

City at the top? Is it corruption, champs league win, or selling players