Jose Mourinho

[ralvy]

But you can't go from 6-1 at OT and top of the league in November to throwing away that game in Zagreb without something going horribly wrong.

Zagreb is seriously the nadir in my whole time supporting Spurs. That trophy was there for the taking, even more so than the FA Cup this year. We should have been the best side left in that competition, only United should've stood between us and that trophy. I've never in my life been as angry about a football match as I was then.

Yes, I do agree. The sunk electric switch in my living room's wall is a testament of how angry I got with that elimination as well, haha.

It's my opinion that such refereeing decisions contributed greatly to that collapse, they were part of that "something going horribly wrong" thing you were talking about. Even if the Newcastle game happened the week before the game at OT (from what I remember), it still kept us from establishing a strong match winning momentum and title challenging bid (as a reference, just look what establishing themselves as clear title contenders early on have done for Arsenal this season). And after the West Ham game, it was evident how Mourinho got more cautious with his approach and tightened up a bit the leash, favoring a more risky averse approach, which worked for a while since is allowed us to defeat both Manchester City and Arsenal soon after.

 

[tottenham_skriniar]

• Leg 1: Feyenoord xG: 0.6; Roma xG: 2.2
• Leg 2: Feyenoord xG: 1.2; Roma xG: 5.0

English media: "Mourinho is a dinosaur who plays fossil football!" "Arne Slot is a progressive manager who plays good football!"

(Slot is absolutely lucky that Roma have terrible finishers like Tammy Abraham & Andrea Belotti or otherwise the scoreline would have gotten real ugly like the 7-2 Bayern vs Tottenham match. Must sting for Slot that he got outcoached three times in a row by a supposedly washed up manager - no wonder he didn't shake Mourinho's hand for a second time.)

Grande mister! Continue proving the English media wrong after they tried to ruin your reputation - just like they tried with Unai Emery & Carlo Ancelotti in recent years - so they can promote/protect British managers like Scott Parker, Steven Gerrard, Frank Lampard, Graham Potter, Dean Smith, Gareth Southgate, etc. Force your haters like James Horncastle to have to write a piece called "Jose is back: Roma revival shows Mourinho is still an elite coach."

Unbelievable job in making the Olimpico an absolute fortress and changing player mentalities! Roma continue to sell out every match and draw in crowds to levels unseen since Fabio Capello was manager in the early 2000s.

• Lorenzo Pellegrini: “The credit goes to the group, the coach and the staff. Once upon a time, Roma wouldn’t have come back after Feyenoord’s equalizer but things have changed: we never give up.”

 

[muppetman]

Oh good, the Jose fans are back.

I think that wage bills are the largest factor in footballing success - better players cost more, better players have a greater chance of winning things,

No idea how accurate this is but it seems sensible that the wages are higher in Italy than they are in Holland.

Roma - £83,009,160 per year
Feyenoord - £14,353,560 per year

AS Roma 2023 Wages | Player & Team totals

AS Roma's total wage bill per year is £91,195,520 and £1,753,760 per week | Search the most comprehensive salary and contract database.

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Feyenoord Rotterdam 2023 Wages | Player & Team totals

Feyenoord Rotterdam's total wage bill per year is £12,381,200 and £238,100 per week | Search the most comprehensive salary and contract database.

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I've no idea if Slot will turn out to be any good but I'd imagine most people would have Feyenoord as the heavy underdog?

 

[dontcallme]

Comparing a manager’s performance against another when one has a clearly better team and players at his disposal is genuinely ridiculous to the extreme.

 

[kmk]

 

[ralvy]

Remember two years ago or so when some stupid club out there and its fans decided they were too good for Jose Mourinho and thought winning a cup wasn't really all that important anyway?

 

[dontcallme]

Remember two years ago or so when some stupid club out there and its fans decided they were too good for Jose Mourinho and thought winning a cup wasn't really all that important anyway?

No. I remember him doing a poor job for us and the players had given up playing for him.

The cup thing is something you've simply made up.

 

[talkshowhost86]

Remember two years ago or so when some stupid club out there and its fans decided they were too good for Jose Mourinho and thought winning a cup wasn't really all that important anyway?

He was appalling as our manager

Conte and Stellini have continued his work and made us worse, but he started the rot in terms of making us a turgid defensive nonsense of a team

 

[YB123]

No. I remember him doing a poor job for us and the players had given up playing for him.

The cup thing is something you've simply made up.

Agree but then sacking him before the final for a 29year old with no experience should've had the whole fanbase calling for Levy's head

 

[dontcallme]

Agree but then sacking him before the final for a 29year old with no experience should've had the whole fanbase calling for Levy's head

Not particularly relevant.

I believe Jose was sacked at that time because the board wanted to deflect from the whole Super League fiasco having not expected the level of backlash they would receive. It may have been for other reasons.

But we certainly didn't fire him because we thought we were too good for him and don't care about winning cups, which was the nonsensical post I responding to.

 

[YB123]

Not particularly relevant.

I believe Jose was sacked at that time because the board wanted to deflect from the whole Super League fiasco having not expected the level of backlash they would receive. It may have been for other reasons.

But we certainly didn't fire him because we thought we were too good for him and don't care about winning cups, which was the nonsensical post I responding to.

Sack him by all means after the cup final but dont deflect from what i've said.

He sacked our cup winning machine manager 7 days before a cup final for a 29 year old with zero experience.

You can make all the excuses and reasons you like, even if you owned the club and hated Jose, you wait until after the final.

He sacked him because he wanted to play reserves against southampton in the week, which meant killing all hope of top4. Levys only care for this club because its financially advantageous.

 

[dontcallme]

Sack him by all means after the cup final but dont deflect from what i've said.

He sacked our cup winning machine manager 7 days before a cup final for a 29 year old with zero experience.

You can make all the excuses and reasons you like, even if you owned the club and hated Jose, you wait until after the final.

He sacked him because he wanted to play reserves against southampton in the week, which meant killing all hope of top4. Levys only care for this club because its financially advantageous.

I'm not deflecting, the points you are making are not relevant to my post or the one I was responding to.

 

[YB123]

I'm not deflecting, the points you are making are not relevant to my post or the one I was responding to.

what on earth are you going on about. you clearly talk about the cup in your original comment, I respond about the cup.

 

[dontcallme]

what on earth are you going on about. you clearly talk about the cup in your original comment, I respond about the cup.

A poster said we sacked Jose thinking we were too good for him and we don't care about the cups.

I don't believe we sacked him for those reasons.

Even if we fucked up sacking him at that time, it's not because we, the fans, don't care about the cups.

 

[rossdapep]

He was appalling as our manager

Conte and Stellini have continued his work and made us worse, but he started the rot in terms of making us a turgid defensive nonsense of a team

...and adding shite like Doherty and Hojbjerg.

Tactical players over technical players

 

[ralvy]

No. I remember him doing a poor job for us and the players had given up playing for him.

The cup thing is something you've simply made up.

He was appalling as our manager

Conte and Stellini have continued his work and made us worse, but he started the rot in terms of making us a turgid defensive nonsense of a team

Coaches come and go, they are succesful everywhere but here. The common denominator of those poor results are Daniel Levy and the players, not the coaches, yet the later are the ones you chose to blame?

I think we already have enough proof that it wasn't Mourinho failing, but rather the club itself. Look at Roma, they know how to support their coach and they are reaping the benefits after a difficult first season.

 

[dontcallme]

Coaches come and go, they are succesful everywhere but here. The common denominator of those poor results are Daniel Levy and the players, not the coaches, yet the later are the ones you chose to blame?

I think we already have enough proof that it wasn't Mourinho failing, but rather the club itself. Look at Roma, they know how to support their coach and they are reaping the benefits after a difficult first season.

I haven't given my overall analysis if Spurs in the Jose thread. In the ENIC and Levy threads I have posted about how they have failed, you know because that's where those points are relevant. Putting it in here would be spam.

It's perfectly possible to say Jose did a bad job for us, which he did, while also being aware there are other factors.

 

[ralvy]

I haven't given my overall analysis if Spurs in the Jose thread. In the ENIC and Levy threads I have posted about how they have failed, you know because that's where those points are relevant. Putting it in here would be spam.

It's perfectly possible to say Jose did a bad job for us, which he did, while also being aware there are other factors.

It's only spam if your reasoning for claiming Jose did a bad job for us doesn't include bad performances and results. If it does, then it's not spam at all, since those other factors had a lot to do with that.

Mourinho clearly made some mistakes when he was in charge of Spurs, but overall he was doing about as good of a job as it could be expected with the tools he had at the moment and the lack of commitment from the board. Look at the comments players like Kane, Lloris and Lamela said about their time under Mourinho after his sacking, they where rather telling.

In the end, even with everything he had against him, we simply were quite unlucky with awful refereeing mistakes and players missing clear chances and such which kept us from pushing on when the iron was still hot.

 

[dontcallme]

It's only spam if your reasoning for claiming Jose did a bad job for us doesn't include bad performances and results. If it does, then it's not spam at all, since those other factors had a lot to do with that.

Mourinho clearly made some mistakes when he was in charge of Spurs, but overall he was doing about as good of a job as it could be expected with the tools he had at the moment and the lack of commitment from the board. Look at the comments players like Kane, Lloris and Lamela said about their time under Mourinho after his sacking, they where rather telling.

In the end, even with everything he had against him, we simply were quite unlucky with awful refereeing mistakes and players missing clear chances and such which kept us from pushing on when the iron was still hot.

I was in favour of Jose when we hired him and defended him for a time but it became pretty clear most in the club were happy to see the back of him.

But none of this means your original statement of we thought we were too good for him and we don't care about cups was remotely true.

 

[ralvy]

I was in favour of Jose when we hired him and defended him for a time but it became pretty clear most in the club were happy to see the back of him.

But none of this means your original statement of we thought we were too good for him and we don't care about cups was remotely true.

Well, that's just your opinion, isn't it? By sacking him less than a week before a cup final this club showed two things:

1. They really couldn't care less about winning trophies.
2. A complete and unbelievable lack of respect to Mourinho, its players and fans.

So yeah, if we're showing him such little respect, is it really that far fetched to think we're too good for him? And I only mean the club, since it's very clear that a lot of the supporters certainly feel that way (calling him a dinosaur, boring, etc.).

I mean, we can also go with your theory that we only sacked him to deflect from other issues but, isn't that also showing we feel we're too good for him if we're going to threat him as the sacrificial lamb?