Jose Mourinho

[mattspur1]

So spam means what?

 

[rez9000]

So spam means what?

Are you asking what it actually is and where to find it; or what it's supposed to be used for; or how some people seem to misuse it?

 

[spids]

So spam means what?

Means someone is posting shite that is winding people up.

 

[mattspur1]

Means someone is posting shite that is winding people up.

Ha ha, ok.

 

[mattspur1]

Are you asking what it actually is and where to find it; or what it's supposed to be used for; or how some people seem to misuse it?

I'm not sure when or why I would post it on a post.

 

[BringBack_leGin]

I'm not sure when or why I would post it on a post.

Use it when you think someone is posting in a way not conducive to constructive discussion relevant within a given thread.

So basically every post we’ve all made on this issue,

 

[rez9000]

I'm not sure when or why I would post it on a post.

It's supposed to be used for stuff that is off-topic, technically, but as BBLG says, the best use is if it doesn't contribute to a conversation. Some, however, are a bit too quick to use it when conversations go off on tangents, as every good conversation does.

However, some people think that it should be used as a means of expressing scorn (keep an eye out for the number that will gravitate to this post, for instance)

Others seem to take delight in just randomly sprinkling it wherever they go. Ignore them - they're morons (again, watch them gravitate to this post, though)

And then it sometimes happens when people accidentally scroll on their phones and hit the Spam button as they go past - "fat fingers" is the moniker it's given.

Hope that helps.

 

[ohtottenham!]

It's not necessarily you, matt - it's that there's a small but significant constituency on the board that has been opposed to Mourinho's appointment from the off. And, as I'm sure you know, people don't like looking like they were wrong. So, what happens is that when we win, they're nowhere to be found. Because they know that the choice before them is:

• to continue stating their opposition, in which case they'll be questioned as to why they're being negative after we've won;
• say nothing and keep holding on to their opinion in the face of contrary evidence;
• admit that they may have been wrong.

But when we lose, it's the perfect opportunity to come out and thrust out their chins (metaphorically) and say, 'ha! told you so!' even though they actually need to ignore a massive part of what's gone before the bad result to do so. There's no requirement for them to change their opinion, but the fact that they're more concerned with how their opinion will be received rather than how much they believe in it (hence their hiding away when we get good results), suggests that deep-down they know that they simply don't like Mourinho and that it's not his managerial ability that's the problem, but that it's personal.

That contrasts the one or two on the board who were initially against Mourinho, sometimes very vociferously, but who have since recanted their previous position and now are pleased with him as manager and have said as much on the board. These people, I admire - because, to my way of thinking, it's a wise person who changes their mind in the light of different evidence. For me, the fool is the one who denies the evidence in front of them and insists on their opinion whatever happens. Anyone who thinks that being stubborn and refusing to change one's opinion (something I lambast myself for on occassion) is the same as being strong is just that much more foolish.

So, it's then very easy to feel that you may be one of them, even if you're not, because whenever there's a bad result, they pop up like mushrooms after rain.

Think there's more diversity of opinion here that's not being recognized as being very supportive, but also reasonably critical at times. I was in the camp that had serious questions about Jose's appointment, but that also had a lot to do with my doubts about the financial backing he'd get from the club.

Jose has done a great job so far; way beyond my expectations. He's filling in key squad needs, dealing with integrating new players, rotations, injuries, games back to back etc., He has mitigating factors to counter plenty of the criticism he may get.

Re results and OTT reactions from some posters; I think there have been a few. For me, we're a work in progress and consistent, good performances give me far more hope than a one-off, good result. I was happier with the draws against Newcastle and even West Ham than the Southampton and Utd victories...ok the Utd one was fucking special, but still it was a weird game.

We're an awesome attacking force and Jose has been critical in shaping that and bringing it to life. Huge credit to him! We all know where our critical squad issues are...CBs and DCM. Think they'll be sorted out soon by Rodon coming in as an option, Dier, GLC and Ndombele all coming back from injuries or to better fitness, and the January transfer window to get another CB/DCM in.

My main concern, and hopefully only temporary in the above context, is Jose's risk aversion when it may work against us. I wasn't happy with the Burnley game; loved the result, but imo, we had a defensive overkill in our setup that nullified our own attacking strengths, and we got lucky.

The other concern I have re Jose is his use of the media to go public with negativity re some players. He knows what he's doing, and just from my view, I don't think it helps the team.

All in all, Jose's done great imo! But, he needs to be held to account just like anyone else from the board to our players.


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[rez9000]

Think there's more diversity of opinion here that's not being recognized as being very supportive, but also reasonably critical at times. I was in the camp that had serious questions about Jose's appointment, but that also had a lot to do with my doubts about the financial backing he'd get from the club.

Jose has done a great job so far; way beyond my expectations. He's filling in key squad needs, dealing with integrating new players, rotations, injuries, games back to back etc., He has mitigating factors to counter plenty of the criticism he may get.

Re results and OTT reactions from some posters; I think there have been a few. For me, we're a work in progress and consistent, good performances give me far more hope than a one-off, good result. I was happier with the draws against Newcastle and even West Ham than the Southampton and Utd victories...ok the Utd one was fucking special, but still it was a weird game.

We're an awesome attacking force and Jose has been critical in shaping that and bringing it to life. Huge credit to him! We all know where our critical squad issues are...CBs and DCM. Think they'll be sorted out soon by Rodon coming in as an option, Dier, GLC and Ndombele all coming back from injuries or to better fitness, and the January transfer window to get another CB/DCM in.

My main concern, and hopefully only temporary in the above context, is Jose's risk aversion when it may work against us. I wasn't happy with the Burnley game; loved the result, but imo, we had a defensive overkill in our setup that nullified our own attacking strengths, and we got lucky.

The other concern I have re Jose is his use of the media to go public with negativity re some players. He knows what he's doing, and just from my view, I don't think it helps the team.

All in all, Jose's done great imo! But, he needs to be held to account just like anyone else from the board to our players.


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No, I agree with you. I've seen people who have been staunch backers of Mourinho from the off critiquing his performance. It's a small minority that is problematic, who won't change their opinion because they just don't like Jose. Not much you can do about those, really, other than let them wimble.

 

[rabbikeane]

Does this not lead you to think that maybe we’re not good enough to win things irrespective of the manager.. The facts are pretty clear

Been a Spurs supporter since 1990, to be honest I'm not convinced we'd win much even if we had a City style takeover.
We were the best team in the league for more than three years, yet won nothing. Meanwhile, Arsenal are the laughing stock and win 4 FA cups. I think we're in a season where we should be in position to win the league, but I'm not holding my breath.
Our problem is certainly not Mourinho though.

 

[rez9000]

Been a Spurs supporter since 1990, to be honest I'm not convinced we'd win much even if we had a City style takeover.
We were the best team in the league for more than three years, yet won nothing. Meanwhile, Arsenal are the laughing stock and win 4 FA cups. I think we're in a season where we should be in position to win the league, but I'm not holding my breath.
Our problem is certainly not Mourinho though.

Don't be defeatist, buddy. I know it's the hope that kills you... but believe anyway!

 

[spursfan77]

And with the result Jose has hung players out to dry and possibly created a two tier situation at the club.
There was always a preferred squad in his mind but to blatantly undermine confidence and belief in others not necessary - but thats his way.
At the end of the day, even the changes he made at half time had no effect. To say his future decisions are easy is a cover up
We were set up wrong, appeared to go out with wrong message but Jose deflects that with his management skills.
Jose plays the press. Rightly doesnt listen to them, merely uses and exploits them.
Despite all this, beileve he knows what he is doing and that we are better positioned to win things under him than Poch.

In public. What he says behind the scenes will be vastly different. It’s how he has always acted.

 

[spursfan77]

Thanks for your explanation. However the way I aired my views was not in an aggressive way. I didn't swear for example. I spoke with passion and dissatisfaction. When would I raise these comments, after a victory?? I very much doubt me using the wording you suggested would have achieved a different result. Is there an element of disappointment in people following the result that I was a target for it? I think so. I'm not really sure what I can post on here in future.

There’s absolutely nothing wrong with saying our defence isn’t strong enough to win the league, it’s true! Although I’d add a further improvement to our central midfield is needed.

Ignore the load of negative posts. Since the first lockdown I would say that there’s been a sea change on SC, it never used to be that way. Any non conformist post gets peppered with negative ratings without explanation in the main. Certain posters get a bee in their bonnet about people and constantly target them. If it bothers you, go into settings and turn off the notifications for ratings as well as putting those people on ignore, it will make your experience better.

 

[dagraham]

There’s absolutely nothing wrong with saying our defence isn’t strong enough to win the league, it’s true! Although I’d add a further improvement to our central midfield is needed.

Ignore the load of negative posts. Since the first lockdown I would say that there’s been a sea change on SC, it never used to be that way. Any non conformist post gets peppered with negative ratings without explanation in the main. Certain posters get a bee in their bonnet about people and constantly target them. If it bothers you, go into settings and turn off the notifications for ratings as well as putting those people on ignore, it will make your experience better.

Not sure about that. It’s been that way for a long time imo. It’s the only thing I don’t like about SC. Nothing you can do about it though, people will be people, the internet will be the internet.

On the whole I like the ratings system, but you just have to rise above all that other petty shit.

 

[BringBack_leGin]

It’s funny, I’ve always assumed that the non conformist posts were the ones that actually supported the players, managers, chairman, etc... those are certainly the posts met with far and away the most derision around here.

 

[$hoguN]

Jose is clearly trying to make them want to win. Want to fight. It’s about the mentality.

 

[Who’s our next manager?]

Means someone is posting shite that is winding peopl

I was so tempted to give this an 'Informative' rating - just to demonstrate my expertise!

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[Who’s our next manager?]

Means someone is posting shite that is winding people up.

Some people do use SPAMALOT mind you.

 

[PLTuck]

It’s funny, I’ve always assumed that the non conformist posts were the ones that actually supported the players, managers, chairman, etc... those are certainly the posts met with far and away the most derision around here.

I am ever the optimist and I doubt you would find any of my posts that say "x player is shit". I've always backed my club, regardless of manager, players, and chairmen. I don't think any of my eternal optimist posts have been derided. I have backed all the scapegoats over the years on here, going back to Carrick, Lennon and Jenas. I have recently backed Winks, Dele, and Jose.
Maybe it's because I try at least to have some method to my madness and don't make a polar decision on any given player/manager and try to add some, dare I say it, nuance to my opinion.

To me the most derided posts seem to be the un-nuanced, polarised nonsense posted without any reasoning or knowledge, like the aforementioned "xxx is shit", "No better than a pub player" etc.

We are waaay off topic here so I'll say no more.

 

[sausage]

If anyone else is confused about how the site/ratings work, try this forum https://www.spurscommunity.co.uk/index.php?forums/help-forum.12/ otherwise, I'm sure it will become a self-fulfilling prophecy.

In terms of on-topic stuff, I've seen this do the rounds. Not sure if it's true, but would go a long way to understanding why he's furious with them