Harry Winks - Leicester City

[double0]

Winks will improve to write him off is silliness. At the moment the balance of the team is all wrong. He will realise over a calendar year his level dropped off and will have to improve, I believe he will do this.

 

[double0]

Love the guy but he is pants.

You just cant get by in this league anymore without athleticism.

Athleticism is not the problem with Winks, his pretty nibble enough.

He needs to be more aggressive with his passing and positioning.

He really should study Carrick game.

 

[Japhet]

Forward passing has never been a strong point even when we were in good form.

Too long ago for me to remember bud.

 

[Hoddle&Waddle]

Athleticism is not the problem with Winks, his pretty nibble enough.

He needs to be more aggressive with his passing and positioning.

He really should study Carrick game.

Carrick was strong and a good tackler, and range of passing that Winks will never have.

Pointless comparison.

 

[TheHoddleWaddle]

Athleticism is not the problem with Winks, his pretty nibble enough.

He needs to be more aggressive with his passing and positioning.

He really should study Carrick game.

Freudian slip?

 

[McFlash]

I thought he had a good game yesterday and was looking forward a lot more.
To be fair, with the way that the team is playing as a whole, it's unfair to heap the blame on any one player.
I did like the double sub though, bringing on Lamela and Lo Celso, brought on some craft and tenacity.
Would have liked Parrott on though, so we actually had a striker on the pitch.

 

[rossdapep]

I still maintain that he shouldn't be sold and once the defensive foundations have been laid and we have a Wanyama- type in there, as well a settled in Lo Celso then we'll see the best of him again.

Winks isn't someone who can cover and shield the defence, he needs to know there is someone covering for him so that he can take more risks, he needs to know the movement of Lo Celso etc to know how to link up better.

I think he's a good rotational option to have when Ndombele is out or rested.

 

[yido_number1]

Winks can actually move the ball around and cover the pitch. His biggest problem is most times he's played he;s been playing in a one man midfield as sissoko has been doubling up at RB to cover for Aurier.

 

[Havre]

Carrick was strong and a good tackler, and range of passing that Winks will never have.

Pointless comparison.

Except I remember the "what does he do" threads about Carrick both on Spurs and Utd-message boards.

Anyway - Winks doesn't have to become one of the best English midfield players over the last 20 years to be a good player for us.

 

[mightyspur]

Anyway - Winks doesn't have to become one of the best English midfield players over the last 20 years to be a good player for us.

yeah, I agree. I liken him a bit to the sort of role Darren Fletcher used to play for Manchester United. The player to join defence into attack, making tackles where needed and shifting the ball forward quickly.

Unfortunately for Winks he is very isolated due to the set up with have with Aurier getting forward and our other midfield player moving across to cover.

 

[spursfan77]

BUY A DEFENSIVE MIDFIELDER!

Its impacting the performance of our whole team and very player's role in it. Its that simple really.

 

[danielneeds]

Carrick was strong and a good tackler, and range of passing that Winks will never have.

Pointless comparison.

Yet early in his career at Spurs his defensive awareness and tackling was poor. It’s something he worked on and got better and better at.

 

[Japhet]

BUY A DEFENSIVE MIDFIELDER!

Its impacting the performance of our whole team and very player's role in it. Its that simple really.

IMO all of our CM options are more suited to a CM3 than a pivot. We seem to routinely carry at least one passenger up top every game while our CM are being overrun, but it usually ends up with the midfielders carrying the can. We never seem to get control of a game as a result. We did boss it v Middlesboro though but the front line seemed too congested.

 

[Havre]

IMO all of our CM options are more suited to a CM3 than a pivot. We seem to routinely carry at least one passenger up top every game while our CM are being overrun, but it usually ends up with the midfielders carrying the can. We never seem to get control of a game as a result. We did boss it v Middlesboro though but the front line seemed too congested.

Maybe, but I have seen Mason and Bentaleb work better in a flat four than our current players.

There was a time when we pressed like a team and when our midfield players, even Wanyama, didn't look completely out of place when in possession.

Eriksen and Lo Celso aren't players that to me can play in a flat 4 type midfield, but the rest I believe can.

 

[guiltyparty]

yeah, I agree. I liken him a bit to the sort of role Darren Fletcher used to play for Manchester United. The player to join defence into attack, making tackles where needed and shifting the ball forward quickly.

Unfortunately for Winks he is very isolated due to the set up with have with Aurier getting forward and our other midfield player moving across to cover.

I like Winks but Carrick and Fletcher are both over six foot. Carrick is pushing 6' 3". Winks is never going to have that kind of presence in midfield. He's like Scrappy Do. What he's good at is moving the ball - this idea that he can offer any protection is just utter nonsense.

 

[bubble07]

He he shouldn't be sold. We have to have him alongside Ndombele for consecutive games. It could work

 

[guiltyparty]

He he shouldn't be sold. We have to have him alongside Ndombele for consecutive games. It could work

We don't have a good enough, dedicated enough squad to be selling players like Winks. Low-ish wages, keen as mustard, homegrown, unlikely to kick up fuss.

Why on earth would you sell him when half the squad has been eyeing the exit door within the last six months and we're apparently struggling to add players because of the homegrown rule?

 

[Japhet]

Maybe, but I have seen Mason and Bentaleb work better in a flat four than our current players.

There was a time when we pressed like a team and when our midfield players, even Wanyama, didn't look completely out of place when in possession.

Eriksen and Lo Celso aren't players that to me can play in a flat 4 type midfield, but the rest I believe can.

Fair comment but I'd add that the Mason/Bentaleb CM2 had no defensive abilities whatsoever. Absolutely dreadful, but the pair of them would have been excellent with a Wanyama type between them, which is almost identical to the position we're in now with the available personnel.

 

[JUSTINSIGNAL]

Fair comment but I'd add that the Mason/Bentaleb CM2 had no defensive abilities whatsoever. Absolutely dreadful, but the pair of them would have been excellent with a Wanyama type between them, which is almost identical to the position we're in now with the available personnel.

They didn't but I think the team as a whole pressed so much better back then so we weren't in such desperate need a specific DM. This is the whole issue with our midfield at the moment. Whoever plays there is on hiding to nothing as the front four cough up possession easily and then don't work hard enough to win the ball back leaving the CM2(usually one when Sissoko is playing and covering for Aurier) chasing shadows in midfield.

Until we are tactically set up soundly, Winks or whoever is played in CM2 is never going to perform to their maximum.

 

[King of Otters]

I think he’d be most effective as a box to box in a three man midfield. He’s just not suited at all to a two man midfield.

I can’t imagine we’ll let him go though. Got to keep the quota up.