Harry Kane

[Ron Burgundy]

Well he ends up top scorer with 12 then it doesn't really suggest we are going to do well next year. Plus he doesn't really bring anything else to the table

I disagree with that. Not strongly, but I think there are scenarios where he gets 12 goals and we have a good season.

Son could have a good year...we could buy a back up that does unexpectedly well...Maddison could get double figures.

I do know where you're coming from, and you're unlikely to be far wrong, but having a hard working 9 that makes space for others and presses from the front, while scoring 12 goals, could well be an important part of a good season for us.

Bear in mind that when you take pens away (we have other players that could do that) there aren't many players who even get 12 from open play.

 

[St José Dominguez]

If we're gonna lose him would you not rather gradually bed someone in this year so he can see what is required and then if kane goes he's ready to slot in. It's less of a cold start and less pressure coming in gradually.

Also you have the benefit of all the others knowing the system really well to help you out.

That would be the most preferable but firstly that means Levy freeing up huge money to bring in said player and also with us only having domestic games Kane is likely starting every PL game so not sure how much bedding in a new guy could do.
We are undoubtedly going to be a better team with him in it, it would be ludicrous suggesting otherwise, however I personally just cannot envisage how if we lose him for free next summer we are going to manage to kick on in season 24/25. Which is basically the point of this project under Ange. I think there’s a risk it could backfire and we end up an even worse side than if we’d just moved on now. Who knows though it’s all guesswork.

 

[fishhhandaricecake]

I can tell a lot of people still don't understand Ange's tactics, and the fact that we don't have to rely on a single player to have a moment of brilliance to score goals.

The CF position is as much about energy and effort in this system as it is about scoring goals. The wing positions require more technical skill than the CF - who is really more of a poacher in this system, which is different than what we are used to seeing from Kane - who has had to create his own scoring opportunities for so long.

If you look at both of Skippy's goals from yesterday - you would see that both goals are a direct result of Richarlison's play.

In the first goal - Richarlison makes a run to the near post, drawing the defender, and leaving the space wide open for Lo Celso's shot off the post - Skippy then follows in unobstructed for the goal.

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In the second goal, Richarlison is again crashing in front of the goal, taking the attention from both CBs, leaving Skippy to beat his midfielder for an open header.

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Richarlison won't be on the scoresheet for either goal - but he was doing this job, and that created scoring opportunities for others.



Veliz is tailor made for the poachers role - as seen in his highlights from Argentina. We are not sending him on loan, so we should be providing him with minutes off the bench to ensure we continue with a high octane attack for 90 minutes. I also think Scarlett is ready for a bigger role - and not on loan. If we send him on loan, it would need to be to a similar style attack - so that he can prepare properly, but I am not sure where that would be. He looks fit enough to do the dirty work in the PL if called upon.

And, I think Son is probably a better fit as a striker in this system than a winger - so he provides even more cover this season if Kane leaves. What we lack, more than cover for the striker position, is a long-term solution at winger. We currently have Solomon - who I like. But, we should have another winger who is very technical and capable of beating a man. That would be a better use of money than buying a younger striker who could potentially block Veliz and Scarlett.

Nice post but I think it’s quite simple, we can’t trust Richarlison to stay fit so a combination of him, Veliz and Scarlett could quickly become Veliz and Scarlett and whilst Ange’s system is well rounded, relying on Veliz and Scarlett to fire us back into the CL or to a trophy is a bad idea.

If we sell Kane we need to add more firepower at ST and RW.

 

[fishhhandaricecake]

This is all great if you are going to create bundles of chances every game because we are consistently camped around the opponents box. I'm under no illusion that won't be the case in quite a few games in the Premier league. I love the new front foot constant attack football approach but do I think we will be able to do that against the better Prem teams? No is the simple answer. I think the game will ebb and flow with both sides having to defend extended periods of games. That is when being clinical is required as you aren't going to create big numbers of clear cut chances. I get your point that a poacher is more important to an Ange team than a genuine genius footballing CF but the big point is we currently have a genius who is also a great poacher. If we sell Kane it's a string to our bow that we've lost.

Surely you agree that whilst we don't need to rely on that single player having a moment of genius under Ange, having that in our side is better than not having it? If Kane goes I don't want to rely on the system always doing the work if we can bring in a player that fits that system but can also produce moments of magic when things aren't going to plan.

Exactly this.

When it comes to any match vs top 8 Veliz and Scarlett will be no where near good enough yet.

 

[dSSAbr]

It is a good debate to invest a hypothetical sale of Kane in another striker or not. Do I believe Richarlison will become a world class player with more opportunities? No, but I think he is an ok option to try for a year if you want to see the development of Scarlett and Véliz in our squad, an expensive signing will automatically block their development here.

I'd rather the money went to other positions. I don't think our winger's have the dribbling ability to take advantage of the 1v1's the system tries to create, I think more competition and potential there would be interesting. Just as I prefer the signing of another defender and a 6/8 with good passing.

At the end of the day a youngster will only prove himself here when he gets opportunities, Kane was no star when he came up either, it just took someone to bet on him. Does it mean that betting on a youngster and him failing makes him a bad player? No, but it does make a loan spell the following season a more interesting option than staying with the first team squad.

I don't want to give up on the season before it starts, but in my mind this is a multi-year project, so if we dont reach the UCL but have youngsters of potential standing out, I'll be very happy already, as it would be a great first step imo.

I don't know the quality of these boys, so I will trust Ange's final decision.

 

[King of the Lane]

All im reading is Richarlison 'could,' Son 'could,' Maddison 'could.'

Kane WILL score 20+. That is the difference and why I do not want us to sell him.

 

[fishhhandaricecake]

Forgetting the injury issues do we really need another LW? We have Son, Solomon and Peresic has arguably been the best performer throughout pre season in this system. If and it's still an if, we sell Kane I'd much rather the money was spent on a real quality CF. Not 3 players who aren't going to be difference makers.

All I want now is another CB and I think this has been a brilliant window as far as in's are concerned. All dependant on keeping Kane of course.

Completely agree and glad you also are feeling positive about the window so far.

As you say 2nd CB and it’s a fantastic window assuming we keep Kane, if we sell Kane then obviously we still need that 2nd CB but we’d also need a new ST and ideally top class RW to cover the goals and all round contribution.

Solomon isn’t really a RW he’s far more effective on the left and Perisic has been good too so we are stacked on the LW but only have Kulu on RW.

Huge next few days.

 

[coy-spurs1882]

Completely agree and glad you also are feeling positive about the window so far.

As you say 2nd CB and it’s a fantastic window assuming we keep Kane, if we sell Kane then obviously we still need that 2nd CB but we’d also need a new ST and ideally top class RW to cover the goals and all round contribution.

Solomon isn’t really a RW he’s far more effective on the left and Perisic has been good too so we are stacked on the LW but only have Kulu on RW.

Huge next few days.

can't see a RW happening...there isn't a single link at all

 

[Cel]

can't see a RW happening...there isn't a single link at all

I can see Porro playing games there tbh

 

[fishhhandaricecake]

can't see a RW happening...there isn't a single link at all

Hoping if we sold Kane it would come out of nowhere mate.

If we keep Kane I don’t think we need one really as the front 6 will be strong enough, it’s only if we sell Kane I think we could do with one.

 

[KingNick]

I disagree with that. Not strongly, but I think there are scenarios where he gets 12 goals and we have a good season.

Son could have a good year...we could buy a back up that does unexpectedly well...Maddison could get double figures.

I do know where you're coming from, and you're unlikely to be far wrong, but having a hard working 9 that makes space for others and presses from the front, while scoring 12 goals, could well be an important part of a good season for us.

Bear in mind that when you take pens away (we have other players that could do that) there aren't many players who even get 12 from open play.

There was a lot of training footage that showed exactly why you are very likely correct.

the CF is very important in Ange’s system but not always in terms of scoring goals.

Very often, the CF is used to push the oppositions defence deeper and deeper, creating more space for wide players to progress and then cut back balls for late arriving midfielders, who are unmarked by defenders because the CF has them occupied already.

Of course, HK was still able to score goals in this system but it’s about having the variety and numbers in the box. As long as someone scores and we win, I don’t care what numbers an individual player might hit.

 

[kd2000]

All im reading is Richarlison 'could,' Son 'could,' Maddison 'could.'

Kane WILL score 20+. That is the difference and why I do not want us to sell him.

Not really.
Kane 'could' score 20+, 'if' he stays injury free 'and' importantly stays at Spurs

 

[soflapaul]

All im reading is Richarlison 'could,' Son 'could,' Maddison 'could.'

Kane WILL score 20+. That is the difference and why I do not want us to sell him.

Most of the discussion i read and wrote surrounding this was whether it was better to get a winger or a CF if Kane was sold. I am pretty sure most of us in that argument wish to keep Kane too.

 

[glacierSpurs]

This never gets old But I always thought will the Germans be the only ones in the world who wouldn't find this funny because they can actually understand the actual dialogues?

 

[mabolsa_ritchey]

Richarlison has 49 goals from 200 PL appearances so far. I’m expecting a 10 goal return based on that.

 

[Stavrogin]

Apologies if already posted...

At least Gary Neville doesn’t believe the idea of Kane moving is a dead parrot that has ceased to be. Oh no, speaking on the latest episode of The Overlap, the former Manchester United defender reckons the brains at Old Trafford are hatching a plan. “I am hoping they are watching what is happening and being clever and waiting, seeing an £86m deal might get agreed with Bayern and Kane goes: ‘I’m not going, I want to go to United’,” said Neville. “Tottenham have rejected that bid because they know he isn’t going to Bayern. Harry Kane wants them to believe he will accept that money and then will go: ‘No I want to go to United’. Levy would be dead. He knows he won’t go to Munich otherwise he would accept it.” Righto.

I said, 'you dirty dog!'

 

[Yid-ol]

Richarlison has 49 goals from 200 PL appearances so far. I’m expecting a 10 goal return based on that.

All depends on how many games he plays, and how long in them. Getting 5-10 minutes won't be enough for that I feel.

 

[jay2040]

All im reading is Richarlison 'could,' Son 'could,' Maddison 'could.'

Kane WILL score 20+. That is the difference and why I do not want us to sell him.

It's not just the scoring goals though , we need to make less mistakes overall so that we less in less goals as well. Not mich point if we let in loads more than he scores.
Agree that don't want to sell him.

 

[Razorspur]

All too quiet … levy will definitely sell him now

 

[robertgoulet]

Apologies if already posted...


I said, 'you dirty dog!'

Going to United on a free in the summer vs forcing a transfer to United are two very different things. Most fans I think would forgive him for going on a free, but I think forcing a transfer would do a lot more harm to his legacy than he's willing to do. No chance he does that. If he turns down Bayern he'll just wait until next summer.