Harry Kane

[Gingernut]

FFS, I was pressing the play button.

snap!

 

[Timberwolf]

I can tell a lot of people still don't understand Ange's tactics, and the fact that we don't have to rely on a single player to have a moment of brilliance to score goals.

The CF position is as much about energy and effort in this system as it is about scoring goals. The wing positions require more technical skill than the CF - who is really more of a poacher in this system, which is different than what we are used to seeing from Kane - who has had to create his own scoring opportunities for so long.

If you look at both of Skippy's goals from yesterday - you would see that both goals are a direct result of Richarlison's play.

In the first goal - Richarlison makes a run to the near post, drawing the defender, and leaving the space wide open for Lo Celso's shot off the post - Skippy then follows in unobstructed for the goal.

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In the second goal, Richarlison is again crashing in front of the goal, taking the attention from both CBs, leaving Skippy to beat his midfielder for an open header.

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Richarlison won't be on the scoresheet for either goal - but he was doing this job, and that created scoring opportunities for others.



Veliz is tailor made for the poachers role - as seen in his highlights from Argentina. We are not sending him on loan, so we should be providing him with minutes off the bench to ensure we continue with a high octane attack for 90 minutes. I also think Scarlett is ready for a bigger role - and not on loan. If we send him on loan, it would need to be to a similar style attack - so that he can prepare properly, but I am not sure where that would be. He looks fit enough to do the dirty work in the PL if called upon.

And, I think Son is probably a better fit as a striker in this system than a winger - so he provides even more cover this season if Kane leaves. What we lack, more than cover for the striker position, is a long-term solution at winger. We currently have Solomon - who I like. But, we should have another winger who is very technical and capable of beating a man. That would be a better use of money than buying a younger striker who could potentially block Veliz and Scarlett.

I agree with a lot of this - there's a reason why Ange was so defensive of Richarlison in the presser and has been so glowing about him in previous interviews. He clearly likes him and feels he's a strong fit, even if he obviously lacks the brilliance of Kane.

I do, however, think that if Kane leaves we need to think bigger than Veliz and Scarlett. Those are still 2 very young prospects and unless Ange is absolutely sold that they're ready to make the step up we still need to bring in someone else who is first-team quality to rotate with Rich (and ideally also cover out wide).

Think what Scarlett and Veliz need right now is minutes and I'd get them both on good loans where they're guaranteed to play every game. Get them to Belgium or somewhere they'll get games every single week for an entire season and see where they're at in a year's time (although maybe keep Veliz around for 6 months to settle in first)

 

[Bluto Blutarsky]

It’s more none of those three are anywhere near good enough for where we want to be.

I guess we just fundamentally just disagree.

None of those can do the things that Kane can do. On that we agree.

But, we don't need a striker to do all the things that Kane used to have to do. Even if Kane stays, he won't have to do all the things he used to do.

Maybe I am putting too much faith in Scarlett and Veliz - but I believe they are both capable of playing a role this year. It's not about experience as much as it is about energy and effort in this role. Kyogo, all 5'7" of him, scored 34 goals for Celtic last season - all but one came from being in the box and most from getting on the end of a cross, or a rebound.

 

[Albertbarich]

I guess we just fundamentally just disagree.

None of those can do the things that Kane can do. On that we agree.

But, we don't need a striker to do all the things that Kane used to have to do. Even if Kane stays, he won't have to do all the things he used to do.

Maybe I am putting too much faith in Scarlett and Veliz - but I believe they are both capable of playing a role this year. It's not about experience as much as it is about energy and effort in this role. Kyogo, all 5'7" of him, scored 34 goals for Celtic last season - all but one came from being in the box and most from getting on the end of a cross, or a rebound.

I wouldn't be adverse to a younger striker but I agree in not needing a superstar signing up there.

Especially as I think Sonny could well end up in that position.

 

[olliec]

I just can’t see him going now. 3 days until our campaign kicks off. Would be crazy to accept any offer.

 

[DiVaio]

Our top target for CB was Tapsoba - we chose the cheaper option - Utd now going for him after selling Maguire

That „cheaper option” was 50m euros and Ange reportedly wanted him at Celtic. Imagine how much Leverkusen wants for Tapsoba if he was truly our top target then. And he’s not even first choice for United

 

[Trix]

I can tell a lot of people still don't understand Ange's tactics, and the fact that we don't have to rely on a single player to have a moment of brilliance to score goals.

The CF position is as much about energy and effort in this system as it is about scoring goals. The wing positions require more technical skill than the CF - who is really more of a poacher in this system, which is different than what we are used to seeing from Kane - who has had to create his own scoring opportunities for so long.

If you look at both of Skippy's goals from yesterday - you would see that both goals are a direct result of Richarlison's play.

In the first goal - Richarlison makes a run to the near post, drawing the defender, and leaving the space wide open for Lo Celso's shot off the post - Skippy then follows in unobstructed for the goal.

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In the second goal, Richarlison is again crashing in front of the goal, taking the attention from both CBs, leaving Skippy to beat his midfielder for an open header.

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Richarlison won't be on the scoresheet for either goal - but he was doing this job, and that created scoring opportunities for others.



Veliz is tailor made for the poachers role - as seen in his highlights from Argentina. We are not sending him on loan, so we should be providing him with minutes off the bench to ensure we continue with a high octane attack for 90 minutes. I also think Scarlett is ready for a bigger role - and not on loan. If we send him on loan, it would need to be to a similar style attack - so that he can prepare properly, but I am not sure where that would be. He looks fit enough to do the dirty work in the PL if called upon.

And, I think Son is probably a better fit as a striker in this system than a winger - so he provides even more cover this season if Kane leaves. What we lack, more than cover for the striker position, is a long-term solution at winger. We currently have Solomon - who I like. But, we should have another winger who is very technical and capable of beating a man. That would be a better use of money than buying a younger striker who could potentially block Veliz and Scarlett.

This is all great if you are going to create bundles of chances every game because we are consistently camped around the opponents box. I'm under no illusion that won't be the case in quite a few games in the Premier league. I love the new front foot constant attack football approach but do I think we will be able to do that against the better Prem teams? No is the simple answer. I think the game will ebb and flow with both sides having to defend extended periods of games. That is when being clinical is required as you aren't going to create big numbers of clear cut chances. I get your point that a poacher is more important to an Ange team than a genuine genius footballing CF but the big point is we currently have a genius who is also a great poacher. If we sell Kane it's a string to our bow that we've lost.

Surely you agree that whilst we don't need to rely on that single player having a moment of genius under Ange, having that in our side is better than not having it? If Kane goes I don't want to rely on the system always doing the work if we can bring in a player that fits that system but can also produce moments of magic when things aren't going to plan.

 

[dimiSpur]

If Ange was telling Levy that it's ok for Kane to leave as his system is suited to the likes of Richy, then surely we'd have taken the £85m Bayern offered rather risk losing it all for another £10-15m.

 

[The Long Suffering One]

I will be probably be badly negged big time here but I've reached a point where I'm almost willing for him to just go and let the club move on from him once and for all.

Clearly his heart isn't fully set on being here 100% anymore. Even if he stays, we are going to go through this all over again next summer with even more pain of getting absolutely nothing out of his move next year.

Trix's latest ITK of his family's supposed concerns of uprooting at a time of a new birth. Well, as a family, wouldn't that have been internally discussed before telling the club to entertain any bid. Why the concerns now?

I love Harry just as much as the next Spurs fan, but the club will always be bigger than any player. We have a new manager who is trying his best to change things at the club, things that the fanbase has so longed to see but you can't help feel that between Levy and Kane, Ange's work is sort of undermined here.

I'm not sure how the rest of the lads are feeling at the minute. I know this sounds silly, but perhaps in a slightly more ideal world, Kane can either just tell Levy to accept the next Bayern bid or commit to the club now. No more in betweens.

As a fan, I'm looking forward to this new Ange Spurs and if that means with no Kane, then so be it.

 

[Scot-Spur]

Imo it’s crazy to rely on Richy who had 1 PL goal to his name last year.

Scarlett who needs to go out on loan and Veliz who is brand new to the league.

I agree we probably need a creative winger but I think we need a proven clinical finisher. Richy certainly isn’t that imo. The other two could be but they are so young.

 

[Typical Spurs]

I mainly want this Kane situation sorted so I can confirm my Fantasy Premier League team.
Hope Levy gets it done one way or the other before I have to officially submit my squad.

 

[brasil_spur]

I can tell a lot of people still don't understand Ange's tactics, and the fact that we don't have to rely on a single player to have a moment of brilliance to score goals.

The CF position is as much about energy and effort in this system as it is about scoring goals. The wing positions require more technical skill than the CF - who is really more of a poacher in this system, which is different than what we are used to seeing from Kane - who has had to create his own scoring opportunities for so long.

If you look at both of Skippy's goals from yesterday - you would see that both goals are a direct result of Richarlison's play.

In the first goal - Richarlison makes a run to the near post, drawing the defender, and leaving the space wide open for Lo Celso's shot off the post - Skippy then follows in unobstructed for the goal.

View attachment 130257

In the second goal, Richarlison is again crashing in front of the goal, taking the attention from both CBs, leaving Skippy to beat his midfielder for an open header.

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Richarlison won't be on the scoresheet for either goal - but he was doing this job, and that created scoring opportunities for others.



Veliz is tailor made for the poachers role - as seen in his highlights from Argentina. We are not sending him on loan, so we should be providing him with minutes off the bench to ensure we continue with a high octane attack for 90 minutes. I also think Scarlett is ready for a bigger role - and not on loan. If we send him on loan, it would need to be to a similar style attack - so that he can prepare properly, but I am not sure where that would be. He looks fit enough to do the dirty work in the PL if called upon.

And, I think Son is probably a better fit as a striker in this system than a winger - so he provides even more cover this season if Kane leaves. What we lack, more than cover for the striker position, is a long-term solution at winger. We currently have Solomon - who I like. But, we should have another winger who is very technical and capable of beating a man. That would be a better use of money than buying a younger striker who could potentially block Veliz and Scarlett.

Winning post.

Will Richarlison replace Kane in terms of goal output - definitely not.
Can Richarlison get 20+ goals in a season - yes, he's proved it for Brazil.

What we need is more threat from the wings. It's also much easier to get a top notch winger for £40-60m than it is to get a top quality CF for that kind of money.

 

[Yid-ol]

If kane goes, all the noise is we get a new striker in also isnt it?

Think it's a bit harsh to judge Richalison on last season being in and out the team and injuries. Plus when he got chances we played weaker players. Not sure he is the answer, but I would still give him a go also.

 

[soflapaul]

This is all great if you are going to create bundles of chances every game because we are camped around the opponents box. I'm under no illusion that won't be the case in quite a few games in the Premier league. I love the new front foot constant attack football approach but do I think we will be able to do that against the better Prem teams? No is the simple answer. I think the game will ebb and flow with both sides having to defend extended periods of games. That is when being clinical is required as you aren't going to create big numbers of clear cut chances. I get your point that a poacher is more important to an Ange team than a genuine genius footballing CF but the big point is we currently have a genius who is also a great poacher. If we sell Kane it's a string to our bow that we've lost.

Surely you agree that whilst we don't need to rely on that single player having a moment of genius under Ange, having that in our side is better than not having it? If Kane goes I don't want to rely on the system always doing the work if we can bring in a player that fits that system but can also produce moments of magic when things aren't going to plan.

Bluto's dead on when it comes to the majority of teams we'd face. Richy's contribution off the ball is immense. And his ability to draw fouls around the box matters now that we have Maddison taking free kicks.

However, to your point, there will be teams where being clinical is a requirement, not a luxury. I suspect Richarlson will be far more clinical as his confidence in the system and himself increases. The club can't bank on that if we want to compete at the highest levels. A clinical forward is a requirement, not a nicety. Richarlson will be a vital cog in this team with or without Kane. Ange's system will see to that but it's too risky to ask Dane and Veliz to be that person. Whether Sonny could be that guy is another question as his pressing can be suspect even though his shooting is not. And while it is a bit unconventional, Madders may be a wild card in this.

 

[Albertbarich]

Does anyone think that should Harry go , Richys main competitor will be Sonny?

Great finisher, amazing off the ball movement although it would be from different angles and works his socks off

 

[Bluto Blutarsky]

Surely you agree that whilst we don't need to rely on that single player having a moment of genius under Ange, having that in our side is better than not having it? If Kane goes I don't want to rely on the system always doing the work if we can bring in a player that fits that system but can also produce moments of magic when things aren't going to plan.

You make good points - but my opinion really breaks down like this - I like Richarlison in this role, and think he is capable of producing goals, and also setting up others. I also think Son might be better suited for the striker role, than the winger role - so, if we are looking for that moment of brilliance - its more likely to come from Sonny, who can be clinical, than Richarlison.

Then it comes to Scarlett and Veliz - I really like both of them in this role, long-term. So, if we brought in a striker to compete with Richarlison - we could be blocking Son from playing that role, and Scarlett and Veliz from showing what they can do. And, I think that a lot of this role requires the kind of youthful energy and tenacity that Scarlett and Veliz will both bring - even though they both lack experience.

In an ideal world - we keep Kane, and if he signs a long-term deal next summer, I would sell Richi, and let Scarlett and Veliz back up Kane.

But bring in a good winger now - and we have Son's long-term replacement or competition for Kulusevski right now. I love Perisic - but he is not a long-term answer at that position. And we can still use Son as the striker, if we need to find minutes.

Bring in a striker, and we still have no long-term winger solution.

 

[montylynch]

Changed my fantasy team 5 times today, H in and out each time. It's a big decision man....

 

[Now it's Spursonal]

This is all great if you are going to create bundles of chances every game because we are consistently camped around the opponents box. I'm under no illusion that won't be the case in quite a few games in the Premier league. I love the new front foot constant attack football approach but do I think we will be able to do that against the better Prem teams? No is the simple answer. I think the game will ebb and flow with both sides having to defend extended periods of games. That is when being clinical is required as you aren't going to create big numbers of clear cut chances. I get your point that a poacher is more important to an Ange team than a genuine genius footballing CF but the big point is we currently have a genius who is also a great poacher. If we sell Kane it's a string to our bow that we've lost.

Surely you agree that whilst we don't need to rely on that single player having a moment of genius under Ange, having that in our side is better than not having it? If Kane goes I don't want to rely on the system always doing the work if we can bring in a player that fits that system but can also produce moments of magic when things aren't going to plan.

Not to answer for @Bluto Blutarsky, but I think the main difference in opinion here is that we think it will be more valuable to the team/system under Ange that the player that can produce those moments of magic plays on the wing rather than the striker.

Look obviously in an ideal world we could spend big on both a striker and a winger and have magic all over, but unfortunately (not to make this an ENIC out post) that's not a reality for us.
And so I'd argue we'd be better served investing in a top winger, rather than a top striker.

 

[Mr Pink]

Imagine this scenario.

Kane stays and we finish above United, make the CL and they miss out.

And he still signs for them

 

[dvdhopeful]

Imagine this scenario.

Kane stays and we finish above United, make the CL and they miss out.

And he still signs for them

Then the narrative of, 'Going to win something' would no longer make much sense.