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Dimitar Berbatov says goodbye to Manchester?
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Buster18
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...a poormans Ibra is about right
mpickard2087
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£5m is tempting, replace one flat track bully in Defoe with a classier one.
I'd want an extremely humble apology from the guy though.
I'd want an extremely humble apology from the guy though.
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agrdavidsfan
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i would take him back! amazing player!
If proof of Old Red Nose's fallibility is needed, then his treatment of Berba is that very proof.
Berba should have been his Cantona Mark II. I'm pretty certain that's what Fergie saw when he signed him. A flamboyant genius who'd play a slightly deeper central striker role, and knit their play together with intelligence, vision and flair.
Fergie didn't buy Berba to run around like a Frazier Campbell or a Danny Welbeck. Indeed, he bought Berba rather than signing the human livewire Tevez permanently. He bought him to be the impresario, the conductor of the orchestra.
For whatever reason, some time in season 2010-11, Fergie then lost confidence in Berba. When he left Berba out of the 2011 Champions League final, it seemed like a deliberate snub, and I thought he would leave. Instead, Fergie kept him for another season, extended his contract and hardly played him.
Frankly, I find it bizarre that Old Red Nose thinks Chicarito and Welbeck are better than Berbatov. I wonder if it's because Ferguson decided he wanted Rooney as the deeper striker with a pacier player - Chicarito, Welback - running in behind the opposing defence. If so, Ferguson should have sold him in the summer of 2011.
As the thread in General Football shows, thanks to the Glazer's gross mismanagement, manure have to sell to buy.
http://www.spurscommunity.co.uk/ind...-united-seeks-100m-new-york-stock-sale.87968/
On financial terms alone, if Fergie wasn't going to play Berbatov, he should have sold him to re-invest the transfer fee and salary in a footballer he was going to play.
Plus, Berbatov is 31. He's at the stage of his career where he needs to play.
I sometimes wonder what would have happened if Guardiola had signed Berbatov instead of Ibrahimovic for Barca. Berba is a much more intelligent footballer than Zlatan, and he may have been a perfect fit.
As it is, his career is all but over without reaching the heights made possible by his talent.
Berba should have been his Cantona Mark II. I'm pretty certain that's what Fergie saw when he signed him. A flamboyant genius who'd play a slightly deeper central striker role, and knit their play together with intelligence, vision and flair.
Fergie didn't buy Berba to run around like a Frazier Campbell or a Danny Welbeck. Indeed, he bought Berba rather than signing the human livewire Tevez permanently. He bought him to be the impresario, the conductor of the orchestra.
For whatever reason, some time in season 2010-11, Fergie then lost confidence in Berba. When he left Berba out of the 2011 Champions League final, it seemed like a deliberate snub, and I thought he would leave. Instead, Fergie kept him for another season, extended his contract and hardly played him.
Frankly, I find it bizarre that Old Red Nose thinks Chicarito and Welbeck are better than Berbatov. I wonder if it's because Ferguson decided he wanted Rooney as the deeper striker with a pacier player - Chicarito, Welback - running in behind the opposing defence. If so, Ferguson should have sold him in the summer of 2011.
As the thread in General Football shows, thanks to the Glazer's gross mismanagement, manure have to sell to buy.
http://www.spurscommunity.co.uk/ind...-united-seeks-100m-new-york-stock-sale.87968/
On financial terms alone, if Fergie wasn't going to play Berbatov, he should have sold him to re-invest the transfer fee and salary in a footballer he was going to play.
Plus, Berbatov is 31. He's at the stage of his career where he needs to play.
I sometimes wonder what would have happened if Guardiola had signed Berbatov instead of Ibrahimovic for Barca. Berba is a much more intelligent footballer than Zlatan, and he may have been a perfect fit.
As it is, his career is all but over without reaching the heights made possible by his talent.
Makkaveli101
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I'd take the Berbinator back in a heartbeat. Imagine him as part of a forward line including Bale and Lennon, with the intelligence of VDV playing just behind him.
lillywhites61
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Bless his cotton socks, he just wants to play
( awww never mind Dimi
( awww never mind Dimi
markiespurs
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Serves him right after the hassle he caused us when he wanted to leave, could have become a real Spurs legend
Hope Modric takes note that the grass isn't always greener.
Hope Modric takes note that the grass isn't always greener.
Riandor
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He engineered a move to the club he always wanted to play for.
We got over 30m pounds for him.
The manner in which it happened was a little sour for sure, but the question was always why did the FA not even look into the transfer and Man United's obvious tapping up.
Ah well...
I am not bitter about Berbatov, nor for that matter Modric... both want to win trophies at the highest level, so its inevitable that at some point they would want to leave if we failed to hit that ambition.
Considering we had Ramos, it isn't hard to see why Berba wanted to leave quite honestly.
I too am flabbergasted that Man Utd haven't played him more or haven't sold him sooner. Biggest mistake for me was them letting Tevez go and keeping Berbatov when it should have been clear to Fergie who would have been the bigger asset in the way he wanted to play.
To not only make that mistake, but to compound it with not then playing Berbatov properly...
It's more of a sad end really... could have been a Spurs legend and failed to become a Man United one, just a shame really as he was a gifted footballer.
R.
We got over 30m pounds for him.
The manner in which it happened was a little sour for sure, but the question was always why did the FA not even look into the transfer and Man United's obvious tapping up.
Ah well...
I am not bitter about Berbatov, nor for that matter Modric... both want to win trophies at the highest level, so its inevitable that at some point they would want to leave if we failed to hit that ambition.
Considering we had Ramos, it isn't hard to see why Berba wanted to leave quite honestly.
I too am flabbergasted that Man Utd haven't played him more or haven't sold him sooner. Biggest mistake for me was them letting Tevez go and keeping Berbatov when it should have been clear to Fergie who would have been the bigger asset in the way he wanted to play.
To not only make that mistake, but to compound it with not then playing Berbatov properly...
It's more of a sad end really... could have been a Spurs legend and failed to become a Man United one, just a shame really as he was a gifted footballer.
R.
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I don't totally agree.
But, yeah, you are right. That is the biggest question to come from the farrago.
Another question I would like answered is in regard to United's handling of the Tevez saga. The FA gave permission for United to have him on loan only on the condition that they had already agreed to buy him and agreed a price, as that way they could claim there was no replication of the Spammers joint ownership issue. United subsequently refused to pay the agreed fdee(if I have undersrtood correctly) as they thought it was too much (i.e. they couldn't afford it). So, surely the FA should have stepped in and said that by refusing to pay the transfer fee, United had, in effect, replicated the offence that the Spammers were done for. Alternatively, if his representatives tried to up the agreed price, the FA could have insisted on the original agreed price, on pain of refusing to sanction any further moves within the EPL (but I never saw any evidence of his reps doing this).
gregga
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Think that was Liverpool and Keane
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Was that the punishment the Spammer sfaced...and if not, what was the difference?
I think United did, too...but only because the FA made it clear that they weren't going to back Levy even though the evidence seemed incontestable.
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Then United should've been fined the same. Were they?
Don't think so.
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No, that's how I remember it...like I said in my original post, I can't remember anyone official even questioning it. Funny because the first thing I thought was that they were only allowed to having him on loan on the basis that they were definitely going to buy him at the end of the season, for a pre-agreed price because they obviously could buy him during the season), otherwise they would just be having a player who was multi-owned on laon exactly the same as the Spammers.
If someone who knows more can show me that this is wrong, i would be grateful, but so far as I can see, by not taking up the option to buy him, United effectively committed the same offence as the Spammers, adn so should have been liable to at least the same fine as them - if not more, because they specifically knew what they were doing.
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