Match Threads Chelsea vs Spurs - Match Thread

[philll]

the only thing i don’t get, is how, a bit like today, we switched and started to attack more. i’m sure we would be better off doing that earlier, because we are a shambles at the back.

It's a higher energy game and most of our outfield players played last Sunday and on Wednesday. Yes we were awful today but having our 2 best offensive players out (and the consequences that that brings on the remaining players) and the shit schedule haven't helped us. It's not like Mourinho has an array of options and picks the most uninspiring one just for a giggle.

 

[Saoirse]

I never meat sign them over one season. Of course I never meant that. Blimey.

I meant how the squad has been allowed to age, stagnate and rot until we've reached this point. The squad should have been better managed, gradually, you know, like pretty much every other club does. And this isn't hindsight. Very many of us were talking about this two years or so ago.

Pretty much every other club was not investing close to £1bn in a stadium without knowing if and when it would be ready. The only other one in the Premier League who did similar, Arsenal, went through far worse stagnation and decline than us over a much longer period, and that's not a coincidence. There was hundreds of millions of pounds in potential variance financially depending on what happened with the stadium, investing hundreds more at the same time could have gone very, very wrong very quickly. It's bad luck and some poor priorities.

 

[doctor stefan Freud]

I never meat sign them over one season. Of course I never meant that. Blimey.

I meant how the squad has been allowed to age, stagnate and rot until we've reached this point. The squad should have been better managed, gradually, you know, like pretty much every other club does. And this isn't hindsight. Very many of us were talking about this two years or so ago. Now we need new players. Still. Despite signing six. Goes to show how far the rot set in.

That’s been the most obvious failing of the club in recent years. Amazing stadium and infrastructure but the lack of player investment is still biting us badly

 

[yankspurs]

Mourinho cant manage all these injuries. The negativity about it is no help and the tactics are asking to lose. He cant be mad when we lose because he’s partly at fault.

But he hasnt been helped by the bald midget. And he wont be in the summer either. What is wrong with this club is really down to the short stack in the directors box and the billionaire whose addicted to yachts and art.

 

[Gb160]

We are going to have a tough final fee months what we must do is stick together as fans and hope for the best until this season is over.

Match going fans will undoubtedly do this.
Anonymous people on the internet who can post what they like without consequence won't.

 

[Indisguise]

Pretty much every other club was not investing close to £1bn in a stadium without knowing if and when it would be ready. The only other one in the Premier League who did similar, Arsenal, went through far worse stagnation and decline than us over a much longer period, and that's not a coincidence. There was hundreds of millions of pounds in potential variance financially depending on what happened with the stadium, investing hundreds more at the same time could have gone very, very wrong very quickly. It's bad luck and some poor priorities.

It's amazing how we've managed to build a stadium and still turn record profits isn't it. Trouble is, it's been to the detriment of the team.

 

[Jamturk]

We have 3 players out injured.

This amount shouldn't decimate a squad.

 

[midoshairband]

It's a higher energy game and most of our outfield players played last Sunday and on Wednesday. Yes we were awful today but having our 2 best offensive players out (and the consequences that that brings on the remaining players) and the shit schedule haven't helped us. It's not like Mourinho has an array of options and picks the most uninspiring one just for a giggle.

yes but i mean do it earlier. not start with 5 mins left at 2-0 down.

 

[Saoirse]

Yup he has turned the results around but I think most would agree that results have been fortunate for us. Playing negatively and not having the ability to press and dominate midfield is causing us problems both offensively and defensively.

I want Mourinho to succeed of course, but it feels like we have seen this play out before with United.

Expecting a team struggling as much as we were to suddenly press all over the shop and dominate games just isn't realistic. Poch was not a bad in-game manager or tactician, we'd seen him do so well with us. But he was trying and failing to replicate that with the squad as it is.

 

[ajspurs]

Unbeaten in seven prior to the last two ...

Against Man City (which is great) and also Aston Villa, Southampton twice, Norwich, Watford and Middlesbrough....

The last two games, RB Leipzig and Chelsea...

Any unbeaten record is great but it doesn't always tell the whole story. Like I said, even though I hate how we're playing right now, lets give it a bit more time before we can say we can't win a game...

 

[kieranfitchett]

Sam Allardyce took a strikerless west ham team to WHL and beat us 3-0. mourinho's 'no strikers, no hope' stance is such a cop out

 

[fortworthspur]

Hmm... yes the defending is a worry but so is the inability to play through the midfield which is only slightly less worrying than the almost complete inability to fashion a decent scoring chance - let alone a goal.

I was curious before the match what Mourinho's attacking strategy would be with no Dele or Aurier. I'm still none the wiser.

I'd cop the result and even the performance if I could at least see what Mourinho is trying to do. But I can't see anything. No strategy at all. our best bet these days seems to be deflections and/or getting one of theirs sent off.

It's worrying.

agree about midfield. Hast been the same since Dembele left and Ndombele is a big problem at the moment. a fit Sissoko would start over him every game.

 

[rupsmith]

Yup he has turned the results around but I think most would agree that results have been fortunate for us. Playing negatively and not having the ability to press and dominate midfield is causing us problems both offensively and defensively.

I want Mourinho to succeed of course, but it feels like we have seen this play out before with United.

Well he’s been with us for 3 months so not exactly too much information to conclude. I never like the fortunate argument. There were a lot of “unfortunate“ moments as well. At the end of the day it’s results. And he has done well in 3 months. We were really struggling under Poch and Jose has improved things fairly quickly. i think it’s too early to jump to a conclusion on a proven winner who has done well in his short time with us.

 

[Saoirse]

It's amazing how we've managed to build a stadium and still turn record profits isn't it. Trouble is, it's been to the detriment of the team.

In the short term, yes. In the long term, absolutely not. Those profits go back into the club. ENIC have taken I believe one divident in their entire time and that was about 15 years ago. We probably could have been a Leicester, won something, then returned to mid-table once the current squad was done with. Money means everything these days as much as I wish it didn't. We're trying instead to be a club that can compete at the top continually, even if it does mean a bad year or two right now, and use that position to win things consistently. We've brought in the manager to try and do that. Let's hope he pulls it off.

 

[danielneeds]

Sam Allardyce took a strikerless west ham team to WHL and beat us 3-0. mourinho's 'no strikers, no hope' stance is such a cop out

It’s because Mourinho famously doesn’t coach attacking play in the final third. He believes it’s down to the players to sort out themselves.

So when you get a situation like this, instead of manufacturing chances through turnovers or rehearsed patterns of play which the newer breed of manager do, you get this. He’s basically sounding like an Iberian Harry Redknapp.

 

[Indisguise]

In the short term, yes. In the long term, absolutely not. Those profits go back into the club. ENIC have taken I believe one divident in their entire time and that was about 15 years ago. We probably could have been a Leicester, won something, then returned to mid-table once the current squad was done with. Money means everything these days as much as I wish it didn't. We're trying instead to be a club that can compete at the top continually, even if it does mean a bad year or two right now, and use that position to win things consistently. We've brought in the manager to try and do that. Let's hope he pulls it off.

"We probably could have been a Leicester" Klaxxon!

 

[Saoirse]

Sam Allardyce took a strikerless west ham team to WHL and beat us 3-0. mourinho's 'no strikers, no hope' stance is such a cop out

And Mourinho beat City 2-0. But I expect over the course of the season he's going to do rather better than Big Sam managed.

 

[Deleted member 27995]

We have 3 players out injured.

This amount shouldn't decimate a squad.

Two of them being our top scorers? Can you see the problem or nah?

 

[fortworthspur]

This is how I feel - he came out when he was appointed saying he was going to adopt a new style and that he'd learned from his mistakes of previous jobs. I've not seen any evidence of that yet and it feels we're going through the motions before his inevitable sacking next season.

For what it's worth, since the summer/winter signings I actually think we have a decent squad that should be strong enough for a top 4 finish. Yes I know we're still a few gaps short of being a complete team, but I'm just not convinced we have the right manager in charge to deliver it

a lot of that is down to squad issues. No Kane, Son, Sissoko and lets face it Ndombele, plus a cobbled together back line makes it hard to build a system. Definitely need to spend this Summer.

 

[ilikeost]

We have 3 players out injured.

This amount shouldn't decimate a squad.

When two of the three are our best attackers by far it would be absurd to think we wouldn't struggle. When you add to that our lack of quality in midfield and defense it's going to be real bad.