Match Threads Brighton Vs Spurs

[XIIIMPC]

Not really. If a team has an xg of 2 but they are all from defenders then that will say that team should've scored two, but that would not be the case because those chances fell to players who aren't as good at finishing as attackers, so that's where it falls apart.

Two things there.

1) there's something wrong with a team whose best chances are consistently going to defenders

2) this shows that they're bad at finishing

It doesn't "fall apart". It's a valuable stat without being absolute gospel, because no one stat is.

 

[PLTuck]

Said it before and will say it again. ANY stat is pretty much useless in isolation (other than goals scored and conceeded after 90 mins obviously).

 

[mattspur1986]

You can see how heartbroken Kane and Sess are in the post match interview. ?

agree, Kane really had to fight the tears didnt he. Was obviously a very well liked man.

 

[Reece_Spurs]

That's because xG is a bollocks stat that is essentially based on someone's opinion.

Well it's not is it? Thats like saying all of football matches are bollocks because every game is down to one opinion (The ref)

They showed an interesting stat during the game which said something along the lines of we average around 15 shots on our goal per game, not on target just shots at our goal. This is where xG comes in because although that looks like a shockingly high stat they're pretty much mostly long shots from range or pot shots at out goal that are either wide, easily saved or easily blocked.

We've played 9 games so that equates to 135 shots in which we've only conceded 10.

Whether you like xG or not these stats more or less prove it's point. We let teams shoot from range and very rarely do we give up very good opportunities.

We on the other hand do the opposite, create usually fewer but higher quality and higher chance of scoring.

I'd rather us create 5 very good chances per game than 15 shit ones which are mostly long range shots.

 

[SonicSarr]

Won't be many teams coming away from there with 3 points. Job's a good 'un! ?

 

[ajspurs]

That is the type of game in our past we’d draw or lose, brilliant brilliant 3pts against a tough away team.

Antonioooo is so world class love wins like this, we played pretty well but it was also very hard fought and great game management especially towards the end.

COYS

I agree. I mean we probably say that often but today, with an early-ish goal and under pressure from that point on, we've done incredibly well to see out the win without getting any breathing space with the second goal. Again, it should have been more, at least with Doherty's chance to pass across goal early on and Kane in front of goal in the second half. Regardless, what makes this win different to me is that we've come away with 3 points and more parts of our play to be encouraged by.

The pressing and control over a team for a period who are renowned for doing that to everyone else was impressive considering the nature of the football that had come from us previously. Yes it essentially wasn't for long enough, but I think it's a really good platform to build on. My only slight concern is just how quick we may be to revert back to 3-4-3. Not the end of the world of course, but I really liked having the three in midfield at times today.

 

[gaz73]

Won't be many teams coming away from there with 3 points. Job's a good 'un! ?

We were shocking today, awful against a team with 2 in midfield but we got the result

 

[Trix]

Well it's not is it? Thats like saying all of football matches are bollocks because every game is down to one opinion (The ref)

They showed an interesting stat during the game which said something along the lines of we average around 15 shots on our goal per game, not on target just shots at our goal. This is where xG comes in because although that looks like a shockingly high stat they're pretty much mostly long shots from range or pot shots at out goal that are either wide, easily saved or easily blocked.

We've played 9 games so that equates to 135 shots in which we've only conceded 10.

Whether you like xG or not these stats more or less prove it's point. We let teams shoot from range and very rarely do we give up very good opportunities.

We on the other hand do the opposite, create usually fewer but higher quality and higher chance of scoring.

I'd rather us create 5 very good chances per game than 15 shit ones which are mostly long range shots.

Not at all,don't see how you can compare a reffing a game to someone compiling data like it's a fact. It can't be compared to stuff like goals scored or shots on target because they are facts. xG on the other hand is just someone's interpretation. There's a reason why different companies that compile xG data never have the same numbers.

I don't disagree with the rest of your post, but I can see all that with my own eyes and don't need some geek to tell me whether a chance was a good one or not.

 

[Spurslove]

I've never understood why some people treat it as gospel

I mean no disrespect (genuinely) but I treat it as bullshit.

 

[wadewill]

It’s one of those results that if Arsenal had gotten, I’d be pissed off

And that makes me feel warm and happy

 

[TURKISH69]

We were shocking today, awful against a team with 2 in midfield but we got the result

Wow!!! Shocking you obviously dont play, managed or clearly know anything about football son!!! Shocker go and play golf you can slag yourself off then????

 

[Reece_Spurs]

Not at all,don't see how you can compare a reffing a game to someone compiling data like it's a fact. It can't be compared to stuff like goals scored or shots on target because they are facts. xG on the other hand is just someone's interpretation. There's a reason why different companies that compile xG data never have the same numbers.

I don't disagree with the rest of your post, but I can see all that with my own eyes and don't need some geek to tell me whether a chance was a good one or not.

No one is saying it's fact, but it's a very good base line and as close as you can get to facts without being 100% accurate of course.

What I meant in regards comparing xG to refs, is xG normally has a base line for its stats, for example I believe a penalty is around 0.78 expected goal, so are most other chances, like if it's inside the 6 yard box etc etc. So yeah there is an element of someones opinion but it's also based off of something aswell.

I compared it to refs as the general rules for football are well known, but one refs red card isn't a different refs red card, for example. So you could argue (And it is every single week) A decision is bollocks based on 1 persons opinion and interpretation like you said about xG.

 

[Mr Pink]

Yep, this. It was a gritty scrappy win away against a decent side who've started the season well, which is absolutely admirable in it's own way and many Spurs sides would have failed to cling on to the three points there, but it was very low quality overall and we looked very weary after our opening bluster (when Brighton finally woke up and strung a couple of attacks together we visibly shat our pants and retreated to our own third and largely stopped playing) and really had to dig deep to make it to the final whistle. Tactics, formation, etc, etc, counted for fuck all here.

But it was a win, after a difficult week, and fans got their midfield three, so people will start saying all sorts. And vice versa with the OTT stuff when we lose. Football fans.....

What is this absolute nonsense?

We absolutely bossed it for the majority of the game and where deserved winners

 

[TheChosenOne]

 

[Hawk_Spur]

Great result after a difficult week.

Fantastic tackle by Doherty on Trossard. Guaranteed the points!

 

[SonicSarr]

No one is saying it's fact, but it's a very good base line and as close as you can get to facts without being 100% accurate of course.

What I meant in regards comparing xG to refs, is xG normally has a base line for its stats, for example I believe a penalty is around 0.78 expected goal, so are most other chances, like if it's inside the 6 yard box etc etc. So yeah there is an element of someones opinion but it's also based off of something aswell.

I compared it to refs as the general rules for football are well known, but one refs red card isn't a different refs red card, for example. So you could argue (And it is every single week) A decision is bollocks based on 1 persons opinion and interpretation like you said about xG.

Keep that stuff to your xbox. We'll just watch football.

 

[Reece_Spurs]

Keep that stuff to your xbox. We'll just watch football.

Don't play any games mate, just watch football but cheers for the condescending reply ?

 

[VoteMe4Prez]

We were shocking today, awful against a team with 2 in midfield but we got the result

You're a bit of a tw@, mate

 

[VDV11 Fan]

Was working all day and didn't see any of the game. Could read back through the thread but to make it easy could someone give me a brief run down of the performance?

Judging by result alone I'm very pleased as that was a tough place to go.

 

[SirHarryHotspur]

Sorry but as soon as people start talking about XG being relevant to anything, my eyes start to get heavy.

You're not wrong about XG , this lot should give you a good night's sleep ..

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