Antonio Rüdiger

[DJS]

The Chelsea fans I know say he is their best defender, and are annoyed / confused that he is being left out. My preference would be going for a left footed centre back

Same but left-footed centre backs are a rare commodity.

Frank makes some weird choices, like his obsession with Mount.

 

[aussiespursguy]

You know what. I want this link to fuck right off. It will only divide the fanbase.. After an amazing window its the last thing we need.
Any one but this tool.

 

[lis spur]

Cant believe he would come to such a racist club!

 

[SecretLemonadeDrinker]

You talk of justice and that's the issue though. Cause Rudiger doesn't feel justice was served. Ultimately it's a clash of opinions. Rudiger doesn't feel his justice was served in this case.

As for the disconcerning part, I find it disconcerning that people appear to be more concerned about accused of being racist than a player feeling they were racially abused. Naturally I want Tottenham to be a club I can fully support on and off the pitch and when the investigation was happening I hoped it didn't we hadn't actually thrown racist chants at him. Doesn't change the fact that Rudiger felt that and even with an investigation we can't know 100% what happened.

In terms of the cloud of shame and all that, I get where you're coming from to an extent but that does ring a little like you can't believe this club has a racist fan? I'm 100 sure we have a racist fan. As does every club. Let's not pretend racism isn't still a thing. (Not saying you said that).
I bring that up in as much as its a problem that needs to be dealt with. That's why we have the no room for racism campaign. No club is perfect.

So if we're accused of stuff it's a dark day for us. Yes. But that cannot be worse than the actual act of racism which, to me at least, it feels like is happening.

Being accused of racism is in no way shape or form worse than actually being the victim of racism.

Ultimately with this scenario Rudiger felt like he was racially abused and I sympathy with him on that. Our fans deny it and an investigation found nothing to prove any racist chants happened. Rudiger still seemingly feels and believes something did happen and that the investigation failed. As mentioned I've been in that situation in the past so very much sympathise with Rudiger. I get that being accused of something you didn't do hurts and is bad, for sure, but it's not worse than being the victim of something that doesn't get any punishment.

Even with the investigation, we'll never know 100% happened and I'm not gonna try and say what happened cause I dunno. Fact is Rudiger felt he was racially abused and rightly called it out.

With respect, you are basing your argument on a straw man fallacy. No one has said that being accused of racism is worse than being racially abused. No one has even implied it. Besides, I'm not sure why you feel the need to introduce the notion of a hierarchy of injustice. This is not a zero sum game. Both sides of the discussion can be valid. For Spurs fans to express a sense of injustice isn't to negate or belittle Rudiger's feelings on the matter.

Please be assured that I know very well that we, like every other club, have some horrible, racist bastards within our fan base. But it doesn't follow that we should necessarily take every accusation of racism on the chin. Each accusation must be treated on its own merits. Can we be 100% certain that Rudiger didn't hear monkey chants? No, unfortunately. But can Rudiger be 100% certain that what he heard was monkey chants. Equally no. In fact, even more so no.

All I wanted from him was an acknowledgement of the mere possibility of his having misheard. Nothing more. It would have earned him widespread respect without undermining his justifiable response on the night.

 

[nedley]

Same but left-footed centre backs are a rare commodity.

Frank makes some weird choices, like his obsession with Mount.

Disagree.

Mount is a great little player and has been one of Chelseas best performers since Lampards been there.

 

[dtxspurs]

I’ve never been overly impressed with him when we’ve played Chelsea.

 

[Martin91]

Betting currently suspended for Rudiger to United

 

[Maxtremist]

With respect, you are basing your argument on a straw man fallacy. No one has said that being accused of racism is worse than being racially abused. No one has even implied it. Besides, I'm not sure why you feel the need to introduce the notion of a hierarchy of injustice. This is not a zero sum game. Both sides of the discussion can be valid. For Spurs fans to express a sense of injustice isn't to negate or belittle Rudiger's feelings on the matter.

Please be assured that I know very well that we, like every other club, have some horrible, racist bastards within our fan base. But it doesn't follow that we should necessarily take every accusation of racism on the chin. Each accusation must be treated on its own merits. Can we be 100% certain that Rudiger didn't hear monkey chants? No, unfortunately. But can Rudiger be 100% certain that what he heard was monkey chants. Equally no. In fact, even more so no.

All I wanted from him was an acknowledgement of the mere possibility of his having misheard. Nothing more. It would have earned him widespread respect without undermining his justifiable response on the night.

People in this thread have mentioned how they feel personally offended by the very notion of being called racist, to the point that to me that it does feel like the mere accusation of it is worse than the action of it. That could be my personal history coming into play but that's how it's coming across to me.

Ultimately my point is if he truly felt he heard something, why say there's a possibility it didn't happen? For him, something happened and justice wasn't there for him. We can't know 100% if he's true or not. Even with the investigation cause the investigation could be flawed. We just don't know.

 

[THFCSPURS19]

 

[JonnySpurs]

 

[snakehipsspurs]

Di Marzio just said he isn't going to Milan, too expensive.

 

[spursfan77]

 

[JonnySpurs]

Can't help but wonder if everyone has been so focused on Skriniar that this might happen in the background.

To me it has deadline day loan deal written all over it.

I appreciate there's lots of fans on here, and on Twitter, that are still hung up over the whole sorry racism episode that happened previously but I'm not one for grudges or just generally harbouring ill feelings over something I know very little about.

From a footballing perspective, he knows the league and IMO was Chelsea's best defender last season. Strong, athletic, Germany international - can't be a bad thing. It would also boil some serious piss amongst Chelsea fans so I say let's loan him for now and then sign Skriniar next summer.

 

[dagraham]

Can't help but wonder if everyone has been so focused on Skriniar that this might happen in the background.

To me it has deadline day loan deal written all over it.

I appreciate there's lots of fans on here, and on Twitter, that are still hung up over the whole sorry racism episode that happened previously but I'm not one for grudges or just generally harbouring ill feelings over something I know very little about.

From a footballing perspective, he knows the league and IMO was Chelsea's best defender last season. Strong, athletic, Germany international - can't be a bad thing. It would also boil some serious piss amongst Chelsea fans so I say let's loan him for now and then sign Skriniar next summer.

Why would Chelsea help us out though?

 

[THFCSPURS19]

 

[Colonel Dax]

Can't help but wonder if everyone has been so focused on Skriniar that this might happen in the background.

To me it has deadline day loan deal written all over it.

I appreciate there's lots of fans on here, and on Twitter, that are still hung up over the whole sorry racism episode that happened previously but I'm not one for grudges or just generally harbouring ill feelings over something I know very little about.

From a footballing perspective, he knows the league and IMO was Chelsea's best defender last season. Strong, athletic, Germany international - can't be a bad thing. It would also boil some serious piss amongst Chelsea fans so I say let's loan him for now and then sign Skriniar next summer.

Not a popular opinion but I think he's a slight upgrade on our current CB options. Not amazing, but solid and would suit our tactics more than Chelsea's IMO.

I reckon Jose wants him but difficult to see Chelsea dealing with us.

 

[Colonel Dax]

I don't get it - what's he saying here? that West Ham would try to sign Rudiger?

The guy's gotta be desperate to go to that tinpot club.

 

[bbunc]

I don't get it - what's he saying here? that West Ham would go for Rudiger?

The guy's gotta be desperate to go to that tinpot club.

Think he’s just saying that Milan wouldn’t be interested in rudoger

 

[Colonel Dax]

Think he’s just saying that Milan wouldn’t be interested in rudoger

Oh ok, thanks.

 

[JonnySpurs]

Why would Chelsea help us out though?

I dont think they want to help us but I get the impression that the only club he wants to go to is Spurs. We're in London so he won't have to move and he gets to play for a good side, in the league he knows for arguably the best manager in the game. It's easy to see why he would want us.

Conversely, it looks like (pure speculation on my part) that he's fallen out with Lampard and he wants him out of the club, away from the training ground etc. He's not been in a single squad this season for them, has he? Which is nuts cos he is definitely their best CB. My mate is a Chelsea fan and he's fuming about it. He would also be livid if he comes to us.

I presume Chelsea have been trying to find a different club that he would accept, and on a permanent deal, but there's no team out there that can afford him. So the only option left is to loan him to us - at least then he can't play against them - and they get him out. Next summer they try to sell him.