3 at the back

[millsey]

Like the look of this team... View attachment 26708

Son for Eriksen as need more goals up there, but I like that, esp for tough games

 

[mattie g]

These guys get it.

First off formations are non sense as they change in offense and in defense.

Yesterday on offense we played with 3 at the back while when on defense it was damn near 5 at the back.


But offensively, where we are having problems, is nothing new.

Last year we played with a 3 at the back when going forward. Our FBs were WBs essentially. Dier dropped back helping form a back three. Dembele would drop deep to accept the ball and push it forward.

The only difference being we substituted an offensive minded person for a defensive minded person and thus we looked even more inept on the pitch. With Dele off and Wanyama on, the middle of the pitch was lost offensively. If Dele or Winks is on the pitch you see the damn near exact setup we played last year offensively.

That's one of the basic points of a 3-5-2. You need wingbacks who can get up the field, but also are willing and able to get back to cover the defensive wings. You need a well-drilled and cohesive unit, as well as the right personnel, to play 3-5-2 effectively. Luckily, we have quality in those positions that allows us to play that way when needed.

 

[Everlasting Seconds]

343 was actually the formation I suggested vs. Leverkusen, and I've touched upon it earlier in the season too (admittedly with a wildly different midfield four). That's the third time lately that Pochettino has read my posts. Mauricio, all you need to do is call me, you don't have to sneak around SC for my superior input.

 

[Cravenspurs]

That's one of the basic points of a 3-5-2. You need wingbacks who can get up the field, but also are willing and able to get back to cover the defensive wings. You need a well-drilled and cohesive unit, as well as the right personnel, to play 3-5-2 effectively. Luckily, we have quality in those positions that allows us to play that way when needed.

Oh, yeah agreed and making the argument that we basically played a similar system last year when Dier dropped back to form a CB3 when we went offensive. Our FBs have been WBs for more than two years now and that didn't hinge on putting another CB in the lineup. Our FBs have been the fulcom of our attacks ever since Poch has arrived. I think we dropped another CB in there because we are out of form and missing some players.

 

[Shadydan]

343 was actually the formation I suggested vs. Leverkusen, and I've touched upon it earlier in the season too (admittedly with a wildly different midfield four). That's the third time lately that Pochettino has read my posts. Mauricio, all you need to do is call me, you don't have to sneak around SC for my superior input.

He's better of calling Glenn Hoddle.

 

[DEFchenkOE]

A lot of different ways to play with 3 at the back, but it's mainly down to personnel. We could do a Chelsea style 343 but we don't have wingers anywhere near the quality of Pedro and Hazard. So it most likely won't be anywhere near as effective for us. We could try and get both Kane and Jansen up front and have a no 10 in Eriksen or Lamela behind. With a combination of Wanyama/Dembele/Winks in the midfield 2.

Rose used to be a winger so should shouldn't have an issue playing as a wingback and Walker has the pace and engine to do it. Just not sure I want to rely on either of them to give quality delivery into the box for Kane and Janssen/Son.

I'm glad that Poch tried something out tbh, he appears to be much more flexible tactically this season compared to last. Just need him to be more proactive with his subs.

 

[mattie g]

Oh, yeah agreed and making the argument that we basically played a similar system last year when Dier dropped back to form a CB3 when we went offensive. Our FBs have been WBs for more than two years now and that didn't hinge on putting another CB in the lineup. Our FBs have been the fulcom of our attacks ever since Poch has arrived. I think we dropped another CB in there because we are out of form and missing some players.

Fair enough. I agree with the assertion that last year Dier would drop in to make it a back three when we were pushing forward, as well as the idea that our FBs have been a big part of our attack.

That said, I think there's a nuanced difference in the overall tactics when you compare what we did last year to the system we employed yesterday, especially in that we stayed rooted with three at the back, which helped us with the spacing and angles to play the ball from the back...and when we didn't, we played over the top of any kind of press that Arsenal was attempting.

 

[UpTownSpur]

I think this could be the way forward to best utilize our squad, as we have an abundance of quality CBs and CMs but a derth of quality wide forward players.

 

[monkeynick]

How is it hindsight when he said that "he was thinking before today"?

'Twas nothing more than a gentle tease for being wise after the event.
I don't doubt the fella actually thought it but you only get one of those before shenanigans are called

 

[Lemon]

Really feel a 343 could unlock Lamela high right.

 

[RichieS]

We could play 3-5-2 and actually play with a strike partnership... *dribbles slightly*

Lloris

Dier Alderweireld Vetonghen

Walker Wanyama Eriksen (or Lamela) Dembele Rose

Kane Son (or Janssen)


I've gone all Glen Hoddle!

Underrated formation, England used it to excellent effect under Hoddle and played so cracking football and it serves Italian national team and Juventus well...

At their best last season, Kane and Alli played like a strike-partnership anyway.

 

[punkisback]

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Too defensive. Not enough creativity there. Ideally you take away one of Dembele or Vic and put another playmaker on.

 

[Japhet]

Oh, yeah agreed and making the argument that we basically played a similar system last year when Dier dropped back to form a CB3 when we went offensive. Our FBs have been WBs for more than two years now and that didn't hinge on putting another CB in the lineup. Our FBs have been the fulcom of our attacks ever since Poch has arrived. I think we dropped another CB in there because we are out of form and missing some players.

I think Poch also dropped another CB in there to clog up the area where Arsenal are very good at pinging the ball around and opening teams up. When we were in possession it also gave Vertonghen in particular a bit more freedom than usual to bring the ball forward instead of always trying to find a pass.

 

[Sweech]

And people say Poch has no plan B.

Really shows that the complaint has nothing to do with a plan B they're just upset that the old school two up top and two wingers is dead.

 

[MattPhilpott]

This was a nice surprise to me, in FIFA, I played as Spurs in my CM, and played a 5-2-1-2 formation with Verts Toby and Dier as he CB's, with Rose and Walker as the wing backs to add pace. It freed up Dembele and Alli to play holding midfield whilst Eriksen played off of Kane and Son! My thinking was that the full backs is where the pace is so why not utilise them more??

Merely an observation, but Poch has clearly been looking at my PlayStation without me knowing...

 

[yankspurs]

Oh yeah because if our team wasnt defensive enough, a DM sitting in front of 3 CB's(including one DM in the 3) with full backs playing a bit higher up the pitch is truly the way to go

Just go with a 433 ffs. Stop over complicating it.

 

[THFCSPURS19]

Oh yeah because if our team wasnt defensive enough, a DM sitting in front of 3 CB's(including one DM in the 3) with full backs playing a bit higher up the pitch is truly the way to go

Just go with a 433 ffs. Stop over complicating it.

Chelsea beat Everton 5-0 with 3 CBs, 2 FBs and Matic and Kante in front of the defence.

 

[raymundo-iow]

Chelsea beat Everton 5-0 with 3 CBs, 2 FBs and Matic and Kante in front of the defence.

Difference is they have a world beater in Eden hazard. Costa bullying defenders where we have returning from injury striker and son who has recently been running like a headless chicken

 

[buckley]

the only thing not working at the moment is the ability to put the ball in the net from open play and early in the game would be preffered whatever system we play it is the same old problem the fact is exept for Liverpool the other four drawn games could have and should have and would have been won but for the need of someone to put the ball in the net ;we then if we had won these games be top of the table
I dream of jimmy greaves if only

 

[THFCSPURS19]

Difference is they have a world beater in Eden hazard. Costa bullying defenders where we have returning from injury striker and son who has recently been running like a headless chicken

True, but they literally had 3 attacking players on the pitch and still thrashed a team, showing it isn't all about the number of defensive players.