Match Threads Spurs vs Watford - Match Thread

TheHoddleWaddle · Oct 19, 2019

Graysonti said:
Has he overachieved ? Or underachieved with a top quality squad.

His tactics have been questionable many many times.

I think many of our players were overrated. Just my view, good, but overrated. A couple of top notchers, like kane and son. I agree about tactics and his in game management has always prevented him from escalating to top tier tactician. I'm not blind to his foibles mate. But I can see why he is struggling to get a lot of these players firing. Persistence with winks and Sissoko is baffling. Sissoko is an awful footballer. A great athlete, but he is shockingly poor.

Sad, but predictable times. Let's see what happens after the scouse game. Which noone is looking forward to.

Mr Pink · Oct 19, 2019

Indisguise said:
I can't believe that people are actually solely blaming Poch for our current predicament. We have spent years underfunding the team and not making the right purchases at the right time. Levy is just as much to blame as Poch.

Whilst there is definitely some merit in that, you can't tell me that he can't be getting a fuck load more from the squad we have now.

That's the pertinent point in all this.

EastLondonYid · Oct 19, 2019

Poch must surely see Jan and Toby are done, made Watford look like Barca..... Thanks, all good things etc.... But they both look totally spent.

Graysonti · Oct 19, 2019

TheHoddleWaddle said:
I think many of our players were overrated. Just my view, good, but overrated. A couple of top notchers, like kane and son. I agree about tactics and his in game management has always prevented him from escalating to top tier tactician. I'm not blind to his foibles mate. But I can see why he is struggling to get a lot of these players firing. Persistence with winks and Sissoko is baffling. Sissoko is an awful footballer. A great athlete, but he is shockingly poor.

Sad, but predictable times. Let's see what happens after the scouse game. Which noone is looking forward to.

nah, you don’t finish top 4 season after season and be over rated - no way

ILS · Oct 19, 2019

Indisguise said:
Chelsea spends and has spent significantly more money that we do. They've mostly bought their success. I'm not saying we should spend like Chelsea but I think we should have been more prepared to spend money on the players that were needed in the past. We are always 2 or 3 players away from being able to compete with the big teams.

They have only bought there success because they picked the right manager. Look at Utd for the last ,5 years and how much money they have splashed

theShiznit said:
You can't know that.

They may have finished lower for all you know.

Maybe Poch had a group of players (none of which were particularly special before his/their time at Spurs) all playing better than the sum of their parts and for whatever reason (don't think there's just one) they have stopped responding to him?

It must be hard for a team working your nuts off doing better than that team has ever done and almost everyone else in the league, winning more games than anyone else (barring a couple) and you are branded, legends, chokers, losers. All because a trophy proved elusive.

Maybe that is it, the failure to secure a trophy, the taunts that have followed with it, the players have decided they've busted enough guts now as it's not going to happen under Poch, which would be a shame (IMO)
Players are winners/losers too, so maybe they should be replaced as they don't have the right mentality?

Maybe something as simple as, in trying to find a solution to our bus parker problem, he has created an imbalance in the team?

All i know is, the happiest i have ever been as a Spurs fan has been with Poch in charge, and it would be a shame if that's just thrown away.

It's football ..things change. Leicester won the league and still sacked there manager. It might take a season or two to regroup but with Rogers now in charge Leicester look at proper outfit again.

My big issue is he never learns. He keeps doing the same things over and over again. Talks about players not signing contracts and then continues to play them over others who want to be here.

His time is up.

ardiles · Oct 19, 2019

Wonder whether Poch still thinks that we don’t need reinforcements in Jan?

Indisguise · Oct 19, 2019

Mr Pink said:
Whilst there is definitely some merit in that, you can't tell me that he can't be getting a fuck load more from the squad we have now.

That's the pertinent point in all this.

Mate, Poch is clearly very culpable in all of this but I just don't believe the blame is all his.

sausage · Oct 19, 2019

TheHoddleWaddle said:
I said not all of it. But, what alternatives are there? Especially defensively and at wing back? Who could make a positive impact? It isnt just a case of giving youth a go. We've seen a few clearly not ready for.this level.

How would you go about motivating a few players who are looking at the exit? If their heads are turned and you dont have much in the reserve tank? It's a no win situation to a.large degree.

Anyway. Time.will tell I suppose. I'm not blind to the issues, but it's a little unfair to place it all on a coach who has over achieved anyway.

For me, persoanlly, we have been exposed as a mediocre side and itll take a while to get it back. If he is sacked. I just want to know what the long term situation is and that they have a proper strategy in place.

I think the point basically is that if you play the best team you have available, rather than whatever formation you stubbornly want to, then struggle to find the players to fit it, if you get what I mean.

Nothing stopping us from reverting to a back four, considering we're short on decent WBs at the moment. I don't think it's as simple as blaming the commitment of those who are leaving - the whole squad has looked the same since we stopped pressing and changed to formations that aren't suited to us.

TheHoddleWaddle · Oct 19, 2019

Graysonti said:
nah, you don’t finish top 4 season after season and be over rated - no way

Individual players, i think they are. Sissoko? Aurier? Davies? Dier? It was how poch had them playing and their fitness that separated them from the pack. Coupled with a few quality players like kane and son. Anyway. We will have to agree to disagree.

The biggest downfall is the defensive situation. The best cb 2 have properly gone down the pan.

ardiles · Oct 19, 2019

It has has been long overdue to have more of our youth given playing time with the first team.

TheHoddleWaddle · Oct 19, 2019

sausage said:
I think the point basically is that if you play the best team you have available, rather than whatever formation you stubbornly want to, then struggle to find the players to fit it, if you get what I mean.

Nothing stopping us from reverting to a back four, considering we're short on decent WBs at the moment. I don't think it's as simple as blaming the commitment of those who are leaving - the whole squad has looked the same since we stopped pressing and changed to formations that aren't suited to us.

I dont disagree. I also think his preseason is too much. But, I think even the best motivators would struggle with the same team season after season.

StevePil · Oct 19, 2019

OMG.... Poch is making me more angry by the minute!
Blaming the atmosphere now and conceding early..
well mr genius - its your fucking job to stop us conceding early and the atmopshere is shit because the team are absolutely woeful and have been since January!
Get out this club before it turns toxic

EastLondonYid · Oct 19, 2019

When you play three at the back your wing backs must be bang on it.... Need i say more, Winks and Sissoko combo doesn't work either
I am confident things will improve when we get all the new guys in the side just worried that we may be way off the top four by then.

Seafordian Spurs · Oct 19, 2019

Indisguise said:
Yeah, so that we can all got to the big beautiful stadium to spend a fortune at the brewery on beer to cry into.

I'm just stating that his remit is always going to be a bit different to us fans.

Now pass that craft beer.... ??

Gb160 · Oct 19, 2019

werty said:
Keith Andrews.

Pronounced Keet

VancouverSpur · Oct 19, 2019

ardiles said:
It has has been long overdue to have more of our youth given playing time with the first team.

Christ even on the bench and subbed on for some if the game. All this reboot talk and refresh yet the same choices are made. I am not saying play Skipp and Parrott and Tanganga for the whole game. But maybe make it look like you are trying to make positive change including one somewhere some point in the game.

double0 · Oct 19, 2019

Pochettinho is playing players that should of left time ago, time again he is being let down.

We get rid of Pochettinho someone else comes in all the players hit top form What does that say.
Levy has to back the manager

Gassin's finest · Oct 19, 2019

I think it's a culmination of many things that the club have collectively handled badly. Not signing anyone for a year and a half, letting key players' contracts get into their last season, missing out on a couple of genuine cutting edge players in the last window, and the squad and coaches collectively letting their heads drop after the CL final.

It's potentially gone too far now. We're left with a squad now which is either marking time, not remotely interested, or just no longer good enough.

The choices seem to still be either ride it out or change it up. If we get an utter shellacking next week, the decision may be clear.

Either way, this is officially a chore now, and it's there for all to see.

Sandros Shiny Head · Oct 19, 2019

double0 said:
Pochettinho is playing players that should of left time ago, time again he is being let down.

We get rid of Pochettinho someone else comes in all the players hit top form What does that say.
Levy has to back the manager

You misspelled ‘sack’

sausage · Oct 19, 2019

TheHoddleWaddle said:
I dont disagree. I also think his preseason is too much. But, I think even the best motivators would struggle with the same team season after season.

I think the smoking gun is struggling to motivate the same players who hear you talking about leaving for months on end, and then threatening to quit if they win something.

We have to remember that the team hasn't changed that much because a lot of people (Poch included) claimed it was incredibly difficult to improve on starting positions, and he also didn't want to bring in or use squad depth (so he said on many occasions).

Chickens have just come home to roost I think, on many different points.

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