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Match Prediction

  • Spurs to win at last

    Votes: 105 62.1%
  • Spurs to lose again

    Votes: 32 18.9%
  • Score Draw

    Votes: 30 17.8%
  • Goal-less Draw

    Votes: 2 1.2%

  • Total voters
    169
  • Poll closed .

Trotter

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Pochettinho is playing players that should of left time ago, time again he is being let down.

We get rid of Pochettinho someone else comes in all the players hit top form What does that say.
Levy has to back the manager

Really cannot understand your point at all, seems absolutely illogical.


However that would say they are being motivated, and playing with freedom and in system and training regime, they understand and bought into, in other words what we want, and we aren’t getting now, the. it would be the right decision to have replaced him.

It is only if a new manager comes in and the class players in our squad continue playing like they are now, even though aren’t playing badly when on international duty, that it would be the players that would then need replacing.
But one thing seems crystal clear, the squad with this manager is over as a viable option.
 
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worcestersauce

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Jan 23, 2006
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Well I'm home and not sure what to make of it all.
I have never seen Toby make so many mistakes as he did in the first half which was a bit of a damp squib to say the least. We were three at the back pushing out wingbacks forward and feeding the ball out to them but the benefit of that is to get good balls into the box from wide which we never did.
Things improved second half when we brought on Sonny and went four at the back but slackened off again until we brought on Lamela which helped however I reckon the real difference came when we took off Winks for Tanguy, not a popular choice to take off Winksy and leave on Dele but when Tanguy came on we finally had a midfielder carrying the ball moving forward, passing forward and attacking their defence and it eventually paid off. I am still looking forward to seeing Ndombele, Lo Celso and Sessignon in the team together as I am sure that is going to bring a whole new dynamic.
Until then I'm afraid it ain't going to be pretty and I am not sure it's going to get much better.
 

double0

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Aug 29, 2006
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What? So the manager not being able to get the best out of these players is proof that he should be backed? What kind of logic is that?
He's got every drop from these players for the last 5 years (have you forgotten) now it's time to move some of them on.
 

wrd

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Well I'm home and not sure what to make of it all.
I have never seen Toby make so many mistakes as he did in the first half which was a bit of a damp squib to say the least. We were three at the back pushing out wingbacks forward and feeding the ball out to them but the benefit of that is to get good balls into the box from wide which we never did.
Things improved second half when we brought on Sonny and went four at the back but slackened off again until we brought on Lamela which helped however I reckon the real difference came when we took off Winks for Tanguy, not a popular choice to take off Winksy and leave on Dele but when Tanguy came on we finally had a midfielder carrying the ball moving forward, passing forward and attacking their defence and it eventually paid off. I am still looking forward to seeing Ndombele, Lo Celso and Sessignon in the team together as I am sure that is going to bring a whole new dynamic.
Until then I'm afraid it ain't going to be pretty and I am not sure it's going to get much better.

This is the frustrating thing, people will now fucking hate the back 3 because of the football we saw today but arguably given our lack of defensive midfielder it's a necessary evil. What's not necessary though is to not play the players who actually look to make things happen with their passing namely Lamela and Ndombele as others are not in the squad atm. I thought the structure added a bit more solidity to us but as you say the fullbacks were terrible first half, Aurier improved second half.

I'd say the 4-2-3-1 admittedly looked a lot better however although I'm concerned by how unbalanced our two cm's will be regardless if we can't get a DM up to speed.
 

yido16

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Really miss a player in midfield than can play a killer pass, sisdoko has to play Dm he is pointless in the last third , desperate for Celso to get match fit
 

Nicki78

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Just on way home. Strange game in many ways but a few things i noticed:-

- first half was dreadful. So slow and were just trying to pass the ball through. Also everyone seemed to have lost their first touch - it was woeful.
- second half different game and was convinced we would find a win. Son, lamela and Ndombele coming on completely changed game in terms of energy, quality and effort. Can see why Son wasn’t started though - he must have been exhausted after North Korea game.
- I can’t entirely blame players for performance. Most were putting in a real shift. I would question whether some are just not good enough though.
- support was poor in first half and all you could hear was the Watford fans. Improved in second half but still just felt nervous.

overall is of course a disappointing result and a win was really needed today. Tuesday a big game now (if it wasn’t already).
 

The Apprentice

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Mar 10, 2005
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This season has highlighted how absolutely massive Eriksen was for us creatively. We rarely create openings these days.

Pray that Lo Celso is the love child of De Bruyne and Messi. No pressure kid.
 

Hoddle&Waddle

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Just on way home. Strange game in many ways but a few things i noticed:-

- first half was dreadful. So slow and were just trying to pass the ball through. Also everyone seemed to have lost their first touch - it was woeful.
- second half different game and was convinced we would find a win. Son, lamela and Ndombele coming on completely changed game in terms of energy, quality and effort. Can see why Son wasn’t started though - he must have been exhausted after North Korea game.
- I can’t entirely blame players for performance. Most were putting in a real shift. I would question whether some are just not good enough though.
- support was poor in first half and all you could hear was the Watford fans. Improved in second half but still just felt nervous.

overall is of course a disappointing result and a win was really needed today. Tuesday a big game now (if it wasn’t already).
I think Winks, Sissoko and Aurier are struggling.

Yes there are others not at their best but we know what they CAN do.
 

dbspurs

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Sep 21, 2005
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Brighton, Newcastle, Watford.

If we aren't picking up maximum points against these teams then where are we going to get them.

Oh well, Liverpool at Anfield next week ??
 

Nads

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Just got in, I could talk endlessly about the general awfulness of our team but I feel I want to give a special mention to Serge Aurier. For me this guy is without doubt the worst defender we’ve ever had. I remember Dean Austin, Mauricio Tarricco, Gary Doherty, these guys actually gave some degree of thought into what they did despite a lack of talent. Aurier has absolutely no idea what he is doing, is perpetually in mind-boggling positions which, without Sissoko, would be an even more obvious problem and he has no idea when to hold or press. Sometimes I focus solely on him for a minute or two in matches and I’m genuinely in awe. It’s bordering on avante-garde.
 

SargeantMeatCurtains

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Just got in, I could talk endlessly about the general awfulness of our team but I feel I want to give a special mention to Serge Aurier. For me this guy is without doubt the worst defender we’ve ever had. I remember Dean Austin, Mauricio Tarricco, Gary Doherty, these guys actually gave some degree of thought into what they did despite a lack of talent. Aurier has absolutely no idea what he is doing, is perpetually in mind-boggling positions which, without Sissoko, would be an even more obvious problem and he has no idea when to hold or press. Sometimes I focus solely on him for a minute or two in matches and I’m genuinely in awe. It’s bordering on avante-garde.
And yet he single handedly stopped us from going 2-0 down. All the while Rose gave up on an easy header and was walking back whilst Watford scored down his side.

No agenda tho.
 

RikkiRocket

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Just got in, I could talk endlessly about the general awfulness of our team but I feel I want to give a special mention to Serge Aurier. For me this guy is without doubt the worst defender we’ve ever had. I remember Dean Austin, Mauricio Tarricco, Gary Doherty, these guys actually gave some degree of thought into what they did despite a lack of talent. Aurier has absolutely no idea what he is doing, is perpetually in mind-boggling positions which, without Sissoko, would be an even more obvious problem and he has no idea when to hold or press. Sometimes I focus solely on him for a minute or two in matches and I’m genuinely in awe. It’s bordering on avante-garde.

I think most of the squad are like it at the minute. Like they have decided to do interpretive dance versions of themselves.
 

Nads

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And yet he single handedly stopped us from going 2-0 down. All the while Rose gave up on an easy header and was walking back whilst Watford scored down his side.

No agenda tho.

Hmm pretty sure Doucoure scored for them coming from round Toby’s blind side, the side Aurier couldn’t get back to cover. Danny was high yes, but Jan also had the runner in front of him and didn’t get across early enough. At least 3 people were at fault for the goal, I’m talking about the entire match and the whole of this season, it’s enough to make a judgement call without, as you say, an agenda.
 

KevinW

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I have bided my time so that I can judge on a series of games on this point - but Kane is hiding. It is becoming the norm that Vertonghen etc look to get the ball forward quickly but there is nothing on. Kanes movement off the ball is awful - he doesn't look interested. Although Aurier had his usual errors today, he did put some decent balls in the box in the second half. Kane's efforts to attack the ball were token gestures at best. When the ball was played up to him, he failed to hold it. He is beginning to look like Ericksen - mind elsewhere. I never thought that I would say this, but it may be time to cash in. I just wish I could be confident that Enic would reinvest the funds generated in the squad.

The other obvious point on today's game is that Poch got the starting line up totally wrong. Three centre backs against this Watford side was ridiculous. Alderweirald is the one I would leave out. And I am afraid that Rose has too often shown mental and physical weakness. All the subs who came on made a positive difference. I thought that Moura did more to compete in a curtailed appearance than Kane did in a full game. N'Dombele has to start - he looks to to play the ball forward quickly and has physical presence.
 

SargeantMeatCurtains

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Hmm pretty sure Doucoure scored for them coming from round Toby’s blind side, the side Aurier couldn’t get back to cover. Danny was high yes, but Jan also had the runner in front of him and didn’t get across early enough. At least 3 people were at fault for the goal, I’m talking about the entire match and the whole of this season, it’s enough to make a judgement call without, as you say, an agenda.
Mate, if you’re blaming Aurier for that goal, when Rose allowed the cross (whilst walking back) and it went through all of Jan, Toby and Sanchez, you clearly do have an agenda.
You can’t blame Aurier when every other defender allowed the ball into the box.
 

KevinW

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Mate, if you’re blaming Aurier for that goal, when Rose allowed the cross (whilst walking back) and it went through all of Jan, Toby and Sanchez, you clearly do have an agenda.
You can’t blame Aurier when every other defender allowed the ball into the box.
Totally agree. A barely competent left back would have cut out the ball to the winger who put the cross in. Rose totally misjudged it and then put their guy under zero pressure
 

Nads

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Mate, if you’re blaming Aurier for that goal, when Rose allowed the cross (whilst walking back) and it went through all of Jan, Toby and Sanchez, you clearly do have an agenda.
You can’t blame Aurier when every other defender allowed the ball into the box.

I think the important part of what you’ve said is “If you’re blaming Aurier”, which I wasn’t, he was one of a few, as you have said yourself. You’ve created an entire argument out of something I haven’t said. Well done. And still no agenda.
 
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