New Stadium Details And Discussions

tommo84 said:

Also I'm infuriated by some people who support Archway based on some left-wing rhetoric about 'not being pushed around by a large corporation'. Central to all left-wing politics is the notion of individual sacrifice for the greater good and/or the idea that the needs of the many outwight the needs of the few. How on earth can anyone reconcile those ideals with what Archway are doing? They're screwing an entire area out of redevelopment (which the rest of the area is already committed to) because they want the big bad large corporation (which is the main source of revenue for the area) to fund their early retirement.

There is only one word to describe these people and its banned on here.

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48 of the 57 councillors on Haringey Council are Labour, by assertion left-wing politicians, and the remainder are Lib Dems, more than likely left-leaning centralists.

From all I've read in this long, drawn out saga we have been given pretty good support by the 'left-wing politics' of Haringey Council.

I'm as frustrated about the delays as every other supporter, but this appeal by Archway has nothing to do with politics, left or right, and all about process and following the rule of law. And greed, possibly.

Can this appeal be thrown out before it reaches the high court?

Jimbo78 said:

Or bad decisions?!

Maybe just maybe ENIC should of offered a sum earlier closer to their valuation?

Oh yes sorry we cant ever question ENIC's decision making on here can we?!

Ps I miss VDV :-(

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More just wants more!

Who's to say that the offers have not been in excess of what they originally thought they might get - now they are just leeches out to bleed the club for as much as they can and cause as much grief and discomfort as possible

sherbornespurs said:

48 of the 57 councillors on Haringey Council are Labour, by assertion left-wing politicians, and the remainder are Lib Dems, more than likely left-leaning centralists.

From all I've read in this long, drawn out saga we have been given pretty good support by the 'left-wing politics' of Haringey Council.

I'm as frustrated about the delays as every other supporter, but this appeal by Archway has nothing to do with politics, left or right, and all about process and following the rule of law. And greed, possibly.

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I'm not suggesting that Archway themselves are motivated by politics (I'm almost certain its greed), but rather that many of the tweets I see supporting them try to justify Archway's stance by using left-wing rhetoric, which in my opinion could not be less apt in this instance.

Thanks for the info on how the council is made up though. Might throw that back at some of the tweeters and point out that left-wing decision makers are/were very much involved in planning the wider regeneration scheme which encompasses the NDP.

Fucking Gooners. They must be Gooners.

I really sincerely hope that their appeal gets thrown out, and we get our costs.

I thought something like that had happened already? They really are flogging a dead horse here - and I reckon they'll end up losing out because of it.

FFS.

Booney said:

Oh...and last time I checked for CPO appeals going through the High Court the process took about a year. I may be wrong and more legally minded folks may know better, but think we might need to prepare for that kind of wait if it goes that far.

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The CPO should have taken 12 weeks but the government took two years. At that rate we'll get a decision some time around 2023.

Stoof said:

Fucking Gooners. They must be Gooners.

I really sincerely hope that their appeal gets thrown out, and we get our costs.

I thought something like that had happened already? They really are flogging a dead horse here - and I reckon they'll end up losing out because of it.

FFS.

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Didn't the original order end up granting them less than we'd offered in the first place?

Or have I made that up?

(I'm assuming the latter).

People on here seem to see everything as so black and white. It's either Levy and ENIC don't want to build a stadium and are just going to make as much money out of the club as possible, or poor old Levy and ENIC, they've done everything they can and we'd be in a shiny new stadium already if it wasn't for that evil Archway Steel.

Has anyone considered the possibility that whilst Levy and ENIC may want to build a new stadium (if they could do it cheaply ie the Olympic stadium), they simply do not have the funds in place at present to do it and are therefore very happy to go along with the very slow appeals process? Archway Steel have no chance of winning this appeal. And as i understand it when they lose this appeal they can take it to the European court, where they will also lose. So if they can not win why do they continue to fight?

Whilst it is perhaps too far fetched to suggest Joe Lewis is a secret owner of Archway and is therefore the architect of this continuing delay, it is by no means too far fetched to suggest we would have made them a very low ball offer leaving them with no choice but to fight. Our recent history is littered with examples of us (Levy) trying to get players for considerably cheaper than their true (in the sellers view) worth. Fazzio, Dier are two examples of ones we got and i can name dozens that we did't get. (Schneiderlin, Mussachio, Moutinhio) Or perhaps we never intended to get those players. Just put the story out there to excite fans, a bit like the idea of "we're getting a shiny new stadium and then we'll be able to compete".

Before anyone accuses me of being angry, i am not. I love going to White Hart Lane for every home game and having had my season ticket for 10 years i can attest to the fact that we have progressed massively under Levy and ENIC's stewardship. I will be happy to continue going to the current ground for at least another 3 seasons, athough my gut instinct tells me it will be considerably longer.

However we must always question those that are lucky enough to be running our club and like the fat spanish waiter "i deal in facts" and those below are undeniable;

i) We have made a significant net profit on player trading in the last 4 seasons. With the continued delay in delivery of the stadium this looks likely to continue.

ii) As a club we have fallen further behind the big 5 under ENIC (measured by annual turnover). We will continue to fall further behind until we have a new stadium.

iii) ENIC took the club private (ie delisted from the stock exchange) which allows them to act more freely and report less on the financial performance of the club.

In conclusion, i expect to see the cub sold before the new ground is built and until a buyer is found we will continue to see excuses and delays to the stadium whilst at the same time ENIC will continue to make a handsome annual profit.

The General said:

People on here seem to see everything as so black and white. It's either Levy and ENIC don't want to build a stadium and are just going to make as much money out of the club as possible, or poor old Levy and ENIC, they've done everything they can and we'd be in a shiny new stadium already if it wasn't for that evil Archway Steel.

Has anyone considered the possibility that whilst Levy and ENIC may want to build a new stadium (if they could do it cheaply ie the Olympic stadium), they simply do not have the funds in place at present to do it and are therefore very happy to go along with the very slow appeals process? Archway Steel have no chance of winning this appeal. And as i understand it when they lose this appeal they can take it to the European court, where they will also lose. So if they can not win why do they continue to fight?

Whilst it is perhaps too far fetched to suggest Joe Lewis is a secret owner of Archway and is therefore the architect of this continuing delay, it is by no means too far fetched to suggest we would have made them a very low ball offer leaving them with no choice but to fight. Our recent history is littered with examples of us (Levy) trying to get players for considerably cheaper than their true (in the sellers view) worth. Fazzio, Dier are two examples of ones we got and i can name dozens that we did't get. (Schneiderlin, Mussachio, Moutinhio) Or perhaps we never intended to get those players. Just put the story out there to excite fans, a bit like the idea of "we're getting a shiny new stadium and then we'll be able to compete".

Before anyone accuses me of being angry, i am not. I love going to White Hart Lane for every home game and having had my season ticket for 10 years i can attest to the fact that we have progressed massively under Levy and ENIC's stewardship. I will be happy to continue going to the current ground for at least another 3 seasons, athough my gut instinct tells me it will be considerably longer.

However we must always question those that are lucky enough to be running our club and like the fat spanish waiter "i deal in facts" and those below are undeniable;

i) We have made a significant net profit on player trading in the last 4 seasons. With the continued delay in delivery of the stadium this looks likely to continue.

ii) As a club we have fallen further behind the big 5 under ENIC (measured by annual turnover). We will continue to fall further behind until we have a new stadium.

iii) ENIC took the club private (ie delisted from the stock exchange) which allows them to act more freely and report less on the financial performance of the club.

In conclusion, i expect to see the cub sold before the new ground is built and until a buyer is found we will continue to see excuses and delays to the stadium whilst at the same time ENIC will continue to make a handsome annual profit.

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Despite all that, Enic don't take money out of the Club as far as i'm aware.

Why not simply buy out this business OR buy out a competitor and put Archway Sheet Metal Works Ltd out of business? There has to be more than one way to skin a cat.

I believe this 'ransom' is symptomatic of everything that's wrong with this country. It is now fully acceptable (perhaps even aspirational) to screw every ounce of profit out of every situation, regardless of community, morality or any other sense of greater good. This is why our TV's are full of property developers converting four-bed Victorian townhouses to twelve miniscule bedsits for maximum rent without an ounce of shame, as if we should all aspire to follow the example.

Vermin.

Stoof said:

Fucking Gooners. They must be Gooners.

I really sincerely hope that their appeal gets thrown out, and we get our costs.

I thought something like that had happened already? They really are flogging a dead horse here - and I reckon they'll end up losing out because of it.

FFS.

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they are goons, well known

Francis Gibbs said:

they are goons, well known

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Unfortunately they are actually Spurs fans. Or more accurately, were.

Obviously that ship sailed a while ago though by the looks of things.

Now I don't think they even have an enjoyment in anything other than 'earning' money, least of all a football team.

Booney said:

Not sure how many comparisons can be made but this is a fairly recent CPO timeline from Dreamland site in Margate;

http://www.thanet.gov.uk/the-thanet...013/october/court-of-appeal-ruling-dreamland/

• TDC serve a CPO on the Dreamland site owners - 3 June 2011
• Landowners challenge the CPO and it goes to public inquiry - January 2012
• TDC receive approval from the Secretary of State for the CPO - August 2012
• Landowners challenge the decision by the Secretary of State
• Two-day hearing takes place at the High Court - 20 and 21 March 2013
• High Court dismisses the challenge against the Secretary of State
• Landowners appeal the High Court decision in late May 2013
• Cabinet agree to authorise a General Vesting Declaration – 1 August 2013
• Site transfers to TDC – 3 September 2013
• Court of Appeal hearing - 25 September 2013
• Appeal dismissed Tuesday 8 October 2013.

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That length of time wouldn't be too bad - 8 months. Best case scenario though I'd of thought

talkshowhost86 said:

Didn't the original order end up granting them less than we'd offered in the first place?

Or have I made that up?

(I'm assuming the latter).

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Well, that's what I thought?

Is there some Part 36 offer equivalent that can get us our costs? Can you research for me? By 5:30? Thanks.

Matter number: Y0_UR_1V1UM

Rgds.

Pls dl.

0-Tibsy-0 said:

Unfortunately they are actually Spurs fans. Or more accurately, were.

Obviously that ship sailed a while ago though by the looks of things.

Now I don't think they even have an enjoyment in anything other than 'earning' money, least of all a football team.

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I bought my barbie there a few years ago now - and they told me the family were Arse fans, which I have heard from a number of others since. Not that it makes much diff tbh

Waiting until they're the last hurdle to get over and therefore trying to get way over the odds. Clever girl.

I remember the first announcement of a new stadium and seeing first artist impressions of what it could look like. I was in early twenties. The way things have gone you've got to assume this appeal will take time again and by time move in I'll be closing in on 40. Pretty ridiculous when think of it like that.

Maybe we should just build the stadium around Archway steal. Have it in the middle of pitch.
Or build the stadium under them. Like a Spurs bat cave.

Francis Gibbs said:

I bought my barbie there a few years ago now - and they told me the family were Arse fans, which I have heard from a number of others since. Not that it makes much diff tbh

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Didn't know they sold toys, and really you shouldn't be playing with dolls at your age.

Appealing to the high court.

What a bunch of *****.

That is all.

I'm still slightly in two minds about it all.

Part of me absolutely doesn't want Archway to profit from their stand and I'd like Levy to see it through and hopefully run them into the ground in the process.

There's another part though that has seen Levy spunk millions of pounds of cash on terminating manager contracts and disasterous player transfers though the years. In terms of taking the club forward, begrudgingly paying over the odds for Archway may be the best way of spending the club's money. We could just look at like the property equivalent of buying David Bentley. Would probably be much cheaper and a lot more useful.