Rafa Vdv: Harry is better than Jose

[louisg]

I'd rather have Harry than anyone else. Jose will never come to spurs and I don't want him, boring football. No thanks.

 

[Gilzeanking]

Prob for you sloth is you are talking from your brain...

....and many here are talking from their hearts .

The constant reassessment of every part of an operation is essential if you aim to be the best . Bill Nick wanted players who would criticise their own performances even when the team had won .

This is the route to excellence .

The over emotional 'why are people having a pop at Harry' mob :roll: will never understand this .

Congrats on having the energy to try and explain .

 

[Mr Pink]

Listen mate, I don't think there's a single person who doesn't agree that Harry's been great for us and that as a package he's one of the best managers we've had.

That doesn't give him a free pass on all aspects though does it? Because he's over all good doesn't mean people can't say but he's poor here and here...

The fact remains that a lot of us have been saying for a long while that even though he's a great manager his lack of tactical nouse is worrying. Tactics aren't the be all or end all, there are far more important things than tactics (our results show that!), but when two teams have equally motivated, equally good players what makes the difference?

Harry's very good at what he's good at, but his biggest failing is that he doesn't know his own weaknesses, he prefers that reductor some people employ in everything from Tea Party American politics, to culture, to science and morality... if you don't get it, it must be rubbish!

Anyway, I hope I'm wrong, but my fear is that Harry will reach a glass ceiling in the next couple of seasons beyond which his ability as a manager won't take him... perhaps we should be grateful England will be looking for a new manager before long?

Who had their weetbix
Who got laid the night before
Who concentrates the most
Who has the best fitness levels
Who has the least personal problems off the pitch
Who has a point to prove
Who has the hump

You could go and on, there will always be many, many variables that determine fine lines between success and failure, and you'll never really know.

When things go wrong its automatically the tactics if there isn't anything obvious to the eye to explain it. Tactics are important but there are many other considerations when looking for answers.

It doesn't matter a jot to me regarding Harry and tactics because he has got us to where we are by doing whatever he has - no matter the balance of tactical acumen and good man management.

As Easty points out, if we are going to have a go about his tactics when things dont go well he should be applauded from the same point of view when we do pull off good results - even if its not necessarilly down to tactics, he desereves special recognition for sending a team out who performs well and wins.


The right mental application for success at this level is massive, I think thats Harry's strongest asset. He gets his players in the right frame of the mind to showcase their best football - and thats exactly what VDV is alluding to, IMO.

 

[sloth]

Who had their weetbix
Who got laid the night before
Who concentrates the most
Who has the best fitness levels
Who has the least personal problems off the pitch
Who has a point to prove
Who has the hump

You could go and on, there will always be many, many variables that determine fine lines between success and failure, and you'll never really know.

When things go wrong its automatically the tactics if there isn't anything obvious to the eye to explain it. Tactics are important but there are many other considerations when looking for answers.

It doesn't matter a jot to me regarding Harry and tactics because he has got us to where we are by doing whatever he has - no matter the balance of tactical acumen and good man management.

As Easty points out, if we are going to have a go about his tactics when things dont go well he should be applauded from the same point of view when we do pull off good results - even if its not necessarilly down to tactics, he desereves special recognition for sending a team out who performs well and wins.


The right mental application for success at this level is massive, I think thats Harry's strongest asset. He gets his players in the right frame of the mind to showcase their best football - and thats exactly what VDV is alluding to, IMO.

Hi Pink, the last post on previous page touches on these points and others :up:

 

[sloth]

Prob for you sloth is you are talking from your brain...

....and many here are talking from their hearts .

The constant reassessment of every part of an operation is essential if you aim to be the best . Bill Nick wanted players who would criticise their own performances even when the team had won .

This is the route to excellence .

The over emotional 'why are people having a pop at Harry' mob :roll: will never understand this .

Congrats on having the energy to try and explain .

Cheers mate . I think you've hit the nail on the head there. It takes different types I suppose, but some are just more naturally inclined to unwavering (some would say blind) support.

 

[Mr Pink]

Its all well and good if we are looking to recruit another manager down the line, but while Harry and his debatable limitations are in charge he will have my full support.

We are on the verge of getting into the last 16 of the Champions League, most couldn't wait to see us humiliated in this competition - and we have just humbled the European Champions in style.

I'll let that sink in.

 

[Mr Pink]

Hi Pink, the last post on previous page touches on these points and others :up:

Good morning to you Sloth :grin:

 

[Krafty]

Not too surprised by this. Sometimes it does seem that our tactics are a little up in the air, but to be honest would anyone of us try to bog VdV down in tactical talk? Just let him do what he wants.

We could do with a bit more work on the defensive side of our game though. A video of the 2-1 win against the red scum last season would suffice.

 

[danielneeds]

I do wish we would spend some time on developing our attacking corners and set pieces. Being proficient in this area over the course of a season can be game a changer, especially as scoring early at home makes teams come out against us.

 

[Mr Pink]

I do wish we would spend some time on developing our attacking corners and set pieces. Being proficient in this area over the course of a season can be game a changer, especially as scoring early at home makes teams come out against us.

You would think that was an obvious area to work on wouldn't you? Yet we never seem to improve in these areas hence the conclusion that not a lot of work and prepartion is actually done.

 

[eddiebailey]

I suspect Harry's approach to is to determine the shape of the team, based on the players available and the nature of the opposition, and to make changes if it is not working. Rather than attempting to anticipate scenarios and moving players around on a blackboard as if they were chess pieces. In management terms he sets the strategic direction and trusts the ability of subordinates to make it work, rather than attempting to micromanage by laying down detailed instructions.

I am sure in training players work on set pieces and defending them, but the emphasis is on identifying individual weaknesses and working on them. As others have said VdV probably does not need a lot of coaching, and too much instruction could even detach from his natural game.

 

[Spurs_Q8]

In eight season as a manager he has six league titles, two Champions Leagues and a UEFA Cup - including two trebles. He's been highly successful at Porto, Chelsea and Inter, is is now doing a good job at Real. He hasn't lost in 141 home matches, too.

I'd say that's incredible.

Chelsea

once he came to Chelsea, it was just one year since Abramovic invest £140m in the squad, there were 2nd for long time and semi-Final with Ranieri, yet he was given another £100m for each summer in first two years as Chelsea manager .. a crap manager could win two titles with Chelsea, Chelsea were the only big spenders in that time with CL status.
If he is that good, why he failed in his last full season as Chelsea manager, when his club cut spending even thought his club didn't need money ?

Inter

for sure Serie A title with Inter can't be counted as big achievement too .. CL is the only nice trophy but .. if i'm not mistaken .. I think Barcelona & Inter take big advantage in recent years as their local rivals aren't enjoying their best times, there were clear minded for CL games, while English teams playing such touch fixture with improved sides in Spurs, Man City, Villa & Everton ..

just make a look at Arsenal fixture within Barcelona games in CL last season.

Real Madrid

another type of nice time to take a club .. just one year when the club invested £250m .. so why not to do well with more stability team ?

as for home record, well ... Arsenal won EPL without defeats .. just one of this nice records .. may be it was MJ subs helped him when we were leading 3-1 in FA cup. LOL


at the end of the day, I'm not saying he isn't good .. yes he is, one of the best around, but not incredinble in my point of view, an incredinble must work in miracles, Porto & Inter CL titles are good, other than that .. everything is what he should do.

he wouldn't do Wenger job, or Redknapp job here, Moyes at Everton, Magath at Wolfburg, McClarean at Twente, Just one quotes made by him prove may words, he said he would consider Man Utd, Chelea, Arsenal, City & Tottenham .. but not Liverpool .. why ?

 

[worcestersauce]

I suspect from this that we obviously do train tactics as well as defensive and offensive systems and techniques but I suspect it isn't just like a continuous drill which is why he says it's not boring.
I do have one concern though and that is his point about not training set pieces, I started a thread a few weeks ago on the issue of us only scoring one goal from a corner (Huds shot at Fulham) since young boys this season and not having scored a single goal from free kicks, I suggested that this was a training ground failing, there wasn't too much interest at the time but this seems to confirm my worries, especially if Bales header really was just a one off.

 

[StanSpur]

Can i just point out the VDV was under Jose for what? a week? Also VDV never mentions Jose in this article either. He just says "like at Madrid" which was probably under previous managers.

Harry simply isn't as good as Jose and that is a fact, this article is a load of rubbish and i hope VDV has been miss quoted as it would be alarming if we do zero training, profiling and tactics for games, that is wht we get beat by the Wigans and West Hams of this world if we are just leaving it up to the players "having a go"

 

[kaz Hirai]

doesnt ferdnand and allen work with the strikers, sherwood with the midfielders, should imagine joe jordon does something, though he probably just shouts alot on the training pitch :lol:

im sure there is plenty of tactical work, or harry wouldn't have altered the team massively last season when ever we played away from home against one of the big 4.

 

[eddiev14]

if Mourinho is that good, let me know why he failed to to take Chelsea to CL final ? he did good things with Porto, other than that .. nothing special .

Errrm, Mourinho is on a run of 141 home league matches unbeaten: 38 (W36–D2) with Porto, 60 (W46–D14) with Chelsea, 38 (W29–D9) with Internazionale and 5 (W5-D0) with Real Madrid...

I'd say that's pretty special.

 

[Stoof]

Mourinho and Redknapp are different types of managers.

Mourinho and Redknapp have been in charge of squads with differing playing abilities.

I think those are the only important facts.

For someone that said "but that doesn't win you titles". We will not win the title until the day comes when we get bought out. We may come close, but that's just the way of the world.

I almost don't want that to happen.

I like my Spurs under Redknapp. I didn't like my Spurs under Ramos. I loved my Spurs under Jol.

Barry Glendenning made a good point about Blackpool on the Football Weekly podcast (Guardian - great podcast). Would you rather watch Liverpool and bore their way to winning, or would you rather support someone like Blackpool who entertain?

I know this has gone somewhat sideways, but I like how Redknapp uses our squad. There's very rarely been a team selection I've disagreed with. And if he's a hands-off guy with the stupid footballers that define the 21st century, then maybe he's got it right. Ramos certainly didn't with his miniscule attention to details.

 

[jonathanhotspur]

For all this talk about Inter Milan, they're not the side they were before that fat plonker took the reins.

 

[mano-obe]

It would be nice if we could put men on both posts for corners, which has not happpened in about 5 years. It didn't happen under Jol, Ramos or Redknapp, yet we have conceded quite a few from corners. That is one of my beefs with simple shit that doesn't go onto the field

 

[BuffaloSid]

mano-obe for manager!!!