Why is there no pride for the national team in England ?

[dontcallme]

Two reasons really.

1. the characters. Supporting a team with people like Terry, Carroll, Cole etc is like defending a chav who mugs grannies because we share the same nationality.

2. the quality of football and effort. We haven't had a good tournament in such a long time and so many displays are not only devoid of quality but the grit and determination are also usually lacking. Things don't seem to be improving so it's hard to get excited.

I probably won't watch tomorrow's game which is a first.

 

[Spurger King]

There has been pride in previous tournaments, but in the last couple (and especially the world cup) it was clear that the majority of the players couldn't give a shit about playing for England.

Look at the way the Italian players celebrated. You could see how much it meant to them to get through. Our players just look like the whole thing is a massive inconvenience, and that attitude is being reflected by the fans.

I was cheering more for Croatia tonight than I did for England against Sweden. In fact I didn't even cheer when Welbeck scored. That's not something that I'm happy or proud about.

 

[Riandor]

I meant that weren't injured but I will give a go anyway

1. Richards
2. Johnson
3. Naughton (steady eddy imo)
4. Simpson
4. Ryan Taylor
4. Jones
7. Phil Neville
8. Tony Hibbert
9. Ryan Shotton
9. Wilkinson

A good attempt. But I would rule out any of the oldies because a player you don't expect to play is a good slot for younger players to earn experience. But the rest are a worthy shout.

Think Hodgson went with who he knew.

That and he had his reserve list and picked from it.

All these players have played more games than kelly for their clubs and done well in the premier league and this list doesn't include very promising RB's from the championship

 

[Spurrific]

There has been pride in previous tournaments, but in the last couple (and especially the world cup) it was clear that the majority of the players couldn't give a shit about playing for England.

Look at the way the Italian players celebrated. You could see how much it meant to them to get through. Our players just look like the whole thing is a massive inconvenience, and that attitude is being reflected by the fans.

I was cheering more for Croatia tonight than I did for England against Sweden. In fact I didn't even cheer when Welbeck scored. That's not something that I'm happy or proud about.

ORLY, SK? Upon reading this sentence I was sure that I remembered you saying that you did, in fact, cheer that one goal. So I started digging, digging through a mucky post history which left me with nothing but a bad taste in my mouth and a quote from none other than yourself. "What quote?" you ask, lump in your throat. Well here goes. Mystery unravelled. "Great goal. I actually cheered that one." - SK, 2012.
I have done it, I've proved conclusively that you care. My work here is done.

(I don't know why I've bothered - Maybe I need a hobby).

 

[beats1]

BUT kelly didn't make the reserve list but he still choose henderson over carrick

 

[Spurger King]

ORLY, SK? Upon reading this sentence I was sure that I remembered you saying that you did, in fact, cheer that one goal. So I started digging, digging through a mucky post history which left me with a quote from none other than yourself. "What quote?" you ask, lump in your throat. Well here goes. Mystery unravelled. "Great goal. I actually cheered that one." - SK, 2012.
I have done it, I've proved conclusively that you care. My work here is done.

(I don't know why I've bothered - Maybe I need a hobby).

Crikey Hercule that's some fine detective work!

It was more of a "waaay" followed by a couple of hand-claps. I was actually shouting at the telly during the Croatia v Spain game.

I'm watching the game tomorrow and I'll try and get in the mood somehow. I suspect it will involve alcohol.

 

[Spurrific]

Crikey Hercule that's some fine detective work!

It was more of a "waaay" followed by a couple of hand-claps. I was actually shouting at the telly during the Croatia v Spain game.

I'm watching the game tomorrow and I'll try and get in the mood somehow. I suspect it will involve alcohol.

Haha, I literally just searched for posts containing "cheered" by you. I was cheering pretty loudly for Croatia too, have always liked them, even before the influx of Croatian players at Spurs.

 

[Azazello]

I will always support England in any sport.

The football team has been through a few lows over the last decade or so but I still support them, as I will the rugby (both codes) and cricket too. They've had ups and downs too. The fact is that we're an OK to good side who will often get to QFs, the occasional semi perhaps. That's where we've been for a long time. You support the team, your nation, put petty divisions to one side for a bit, look to something greater than yourself. I'm not sure why that's not worth supporting.

We should start singing an English song, not the British national anthem. A lot of English people are deeply confused between the notions of Britain and England and often seem to think of them as the same thing, when they're not. That's probably got something to do with it too.

Ingerland!

 

[Riandor]

BUT kelly didn't make the reserve list and but still choose henderson over carrick

I thought Kelly was on the list?!

 

[beats1]

I thought Kelly was on the list?!

This was original list

Standby - Jack Butland, Phil Jagielka, Jordan Henderson, Adam Johnson, Daniel Sturridge.

 

[rawhide]

I think there are a number of factors at play here:

• Perception of a weak squad due to injuries
• Still picking the same players regardless of form
• Lack of desire, or perceived lack of desire of players to play for England - reserve squad drop outs etc.
• Lack of belief that we can do well - due to the above & the late introduction of Roy
• lack of focus on the Euros due to London 2012 - which is also perceived as being more accessible to all
• Poor ticket sales due to cost/racism/distance which reduces the atmosphere heard on TV
• Fed up of players talking England's chances up only to go missing when it counts

I'm actually liking the reservation - it feels more, I don't know, real or realistic. We won't win the thing, but at least we aren't thinking we might. We are now at the stage where every game is a bonus. So sit back relax, drink (if you need to/want to) and cheer if/when we do well. Its sort of fun. No pressure.

 

[dontcallme]

This year feels a bit like 2002 without the hype.

A poor team with a couple of stars who are well organised and winning though unspectacularly.

 

[punkisback]

Its difficult to support the team when Terry is in there. Bollocks to this being about football; Ferdinand is still as good as Terry. Its disgusting that he has been left out of the team because Terry is due to face charges for racially abusing his brother.

 

[Marty]

This year feels a bit like 2002 without the hype.

A poor team with a couple of stars who are well organised and winning though unspectacularly.

Agree with that, except that we thrashed Denmark in the second round in what I remember as being a very good performance. To think we got to the quarter finals of a World Cup with Danny Mills and Trevor Sinclair starting most games...

 

[Stavrogin]

I want to support OUR BOYS, I really do. It's just that, when they come on TV, I start vomitting. It makes it hard to get behind OUR BOYS, it really does.

 

[Mattspur]

I think it's because we're really rubbish.

We are the worst team I've seen at the euros (other than Ireland). We play such dull football with no excitement or attacking flair. It's like watching paint dry.

The worst part is how the media are trying to make out that the players are playing well.

I would rather we played exciting attacking football and lose that the rubbish we're currently serving up.

 

[worcestersauce]

There is something in the John Terry thing, people don't want him him representing them. I think there are other things as well though, I remember in 1990 I painted a huge cross of st George on my garage door and plenty of people didn't know why, eventually the whole country got hooked on Italia 90 which was fantastic but unfortunately that coincided soon after with the start of the prem and the whole commercial grunt and grind we've had ever since with the official chocolate bar, fizzy drink, beer, bookmaker, car manufacturer, panty liner and just about everything else. We then employed foreign managers because it was more important to win something than to represent England, (I know we didn't) and it even became a crime to drop or even argue for the dropping of any of the "golden generation", effectively England ceased to be the peoples national football team.
Maybe it may also be worth considering that over the last twenty years the influx of foreign players into our domestic game means that most kids that have grown up in those years have had a favourite player who was not English, maybe it's worth considering that Croatia had more Spurs players in their team than England did and that was probably true for other fans and other teams too.

 

[blobster]

I think it's more to do with recent performance than club allegiance by a long way. The fact is, the recent England teams have been generally shit and apathetic in their performances when it comes to tournaments and, were it not for injuries to Lampard and Barry would have formed the basis for the current team. Hence, expectance of more absolute shite and ever-growing resentment to a bunch of over-hyped mooks. Seriously, on average, one look at the final squad when it's picked is enough to make me seethe usually.

Having said that, I still get behind the team on the day but it just usually turns into constant 'what the fuck was that?' for most of 90 mins during. I wasn't even particularly gutted last night. More a cross between bemused and nonchalant. It really was one of the worst competitive performances I've seen by an England team. Honestly. That's without any exaggeration.

Give us a team we can get excited by and some genuine hope of achievement then I'm sure you'll see a difference.

One last thing... Supposedly over 77% of TV viewers watched the match last night. Over 23 million I think I read. We're there, waiting....

 

[StockSpur]

Sorry but henderson really is shit, the other 4 shouldve been in from the start.england chooses chuggers over skill and flair players.

 

[dooey123]

I've been listening to talk sport alot during downtime between games this tournament and I've never known so many people try to polish a turd. Talk about clutching at straws; England topped the group, never lost a game in open play, only lost on pens...