What our opponents' fans are saying

[bigpalacios]

Why does nobody give City much credit for winning the league?

The very same reason nobody gave Michael Carroll any credit for buying a mansion and driving stock cars around his garden, after he won the lottery.

What fucking credit do they want?!?!

Ok well done for paying players 3 times their wages to actually play for you.

Well done for making the biggest losses in the history of football.

Well done for managing to fuck up in the Champions league every year.

I mean youve got to give credit where its due, it is so difficult to put together a team that is capable of winning trophies when you have unlimited funds.

Manchester City, I applaud your achievements.

I meant to put this haha but posted it before I finished

 

[balalasaurus]

General Bluemoon Talk: -

On Being Picked on...

http://forums.bluemoon-mcfc.co.uk/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=303820&sid=d304a4caba6fa302906664b1bf5cbc8a















On FFP
http://forums.bluemoon-mcfc.co.uk/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=300980&sid=5369b28199c722ee52696440c2af1968





Actually some really insightful responses to FFP, in general, not where it covers its impact on them.

On the coming season & other fans expectations
http://forums.bluemoon-mcfc.co.uk/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=303184&sid=c6a73b9b40ec05010904b7bfa38926c3

That long post was actually quite insightful. In summary City's owners have a strategy to turn the football club from a monopoly into a multinational. This, if you think about it, is actually quite shrewd. By increasing the size of the business they not only secure higher profits but also lower costs through economies of scale. By the time this model is running and self sustaining, FFP will be a non-issue as they'll find it that much easier to balance their books. At some point ENIC did have stakes in clubs in multiple leagues. I wonder if that's a model we could possibly revisit...

 

[eViL]

That long post was actually quite insightful. In summary City's owners have a strategy to turn the football club from a monopoly into a multinational. This, if you think about it, is actually quite shrewd. By increasing the size of the business they not only secure higher profits but also lower costs through economies of scale. By the time this model is running and self sustaining, FFP will be a non-issue as they'll find it that much easier to balance their books. At some point ENIC did have stakes in clubs in multiple leagues. I wonder if that's a model we could possibly revisit...

The Model won't self-sustain though, because you can't make everyone support Man City.

A Football Club ain't Facebook and you're only as good as your supporter base.

Levy knows this, the City owners live on a different planet.

 

[balalasaurus]

The Model won't self-sustain though, because you can't make everyone support Man City.

A Football Club ain't Facebook.

But that's just the thing. Everyone is not supporting Man City. Although everyone (or nearly everyone) is supporting the clubs associated with City. The major difference is that instead of having all supporters in one basket, they have many supporters in many baskets all across the globe. Man City no longer becomes an entity in its own right from a business perspective, but a component of a larger corporation without losing its identity as Man City.

Think of it like Unilever. They supply a range of different products many of which are basically identical to each other but branded to suit the target market. That gives them a presence in multiple markets which they otherwise would not have if they marketed their product under the one brand name.

 

[AmericanSpur]

But that's just the thing. Everyone is not supporting Man City. Although everyone (or nearly everyone) is supporting the clubs associated with City. The major difference is that instead of having all supporters in one basket, they have many supporters in many baskets all across the globe. Man City no longer becomes an entity in its own right from a business perspective, but a component of a larger corporation without losing its identity as Man City.

Think of it like Unilever. They supply a range of different products many of which are basically identical to each other but branded to suit the target market. That gives them a presence in multiple markets which they otherwise would not have if they marketed their product under the one brand name.

The problem being that eventually the supporters of Toni & Guy hair products start getting pissed that Unilever keeps more heavily marketing and taking their best products to the Tresemme business leaving Toni &Guy supporters with the same washed up shampoos, conditioners and gels they had 10 years ago while Tresemme gets the citrus and Aloe infused products that make your hair bounce. It is a deadly game balalasaurus.

 

[Reece]

The problem being that eventually the supporters of Toni & Guy hair products start getting pissed that Unilever keeps more heavily marketing and taking their best products to the Tresemme business leaving Toni &Guy supporters with the same washed up shampoos, conditioners and gels they had 10 years ago while Tresemme gets the citrus and Aloe infused products that make your hair bounce. It is a deadly game balalasaurus.

A funny point, but the affinity with football is still mostly national in that we choose one team in a country.

Even still, they could create fans who follow the 'city teams' and consume even more product. Not a bad idea for them to run with to be fair.

Lots of the markets they are going into at the moment are still finding their feet so they can lure in supporters with the odd big-name player, and add that into the mix of the 'city'.

All a bit cheesy, but a good business idea imo.

 

[AmericanSpur]

A funny point, but the affinity with football is still mostly national in that we choose one team in a country.

Even still, they could create fans who follow the 'city teams' and consume even more product. Not a bad idea for them to run with to be fair.

Lots of the markets they are going into at the moment are still finding their feet so they can lure in supporters with the odd big-name player, and add that into the mix of the 'city'.

All a bit cheesy, but a good business idea imo.

Valid point. As long as the clubs they bring into the City Brand are in developing leagues and not name clubs in other countries, they should be okay. They'll go too far if they have a club in half the UEFA countries though.

 

[balalasaurus]

The problem being that eventually the supporters of Toni & Guy hair products start getting pissed that Unilever keeps more heavily marketing and taking their best products to the Tresemme business leaving Toni &Guy supporters with the same washed up shampoos, conditioners and gels they had 10 years ago while Tresemme gets the citrus and Aloe infused products that make your hair bounce. It is a deadly game balalasaurus.

Fair point. But maybe the T&G supporters aren't ready for Tresemme just yet. Maybe the reason Unilever markets Tresemme is because unlike L'Oreal supporters T&G supporters aren't worth it .

 

[spud]

Valid point. As long as the clubs they bring into the City Brand are in developing leagues and not name clubs in other countries, they should be okay. They'll go too far if they have a club in half the UEFA countries though.

They also need to be wary about UEFA / FIFA rules on club ownership, or they might jump from the FFP frying pan into the ownership rules fire.

 

[balalasaurus]

Valid point. As long as the clubs they bring into the City Brand are in developing leagues and not name clubs in other countries, they should be okay. They'll go too far if they have a club in half the UEFA countries though.

They also need to be wary about UEFA / FIFA rules on club ownership, or they might jump from the FFP frying pan into the ownership rules fire.

I think they've done this quite well to be honest. Presence in the US. Presence in Australia. I would bet Asia is the next step. I would go so far as to say they've spread their expansion well enough to qualify as an 'international promoter and developer of the sport'. In this way they've got their defence ready should UEFA/FIFA come knocking

 

[michaelden]

But that's just the thing. Everyone is not supporting Man City. Although everyone (or nearly everyone) is supporting the clubs associated with City. The major difference is that instead of having all supporters in one basket, they have many supporters in many baskets all across the globe. Man City no longer becomes an entity in its own right from a business perspective, but a component of a larger corporation without losing its identity as Man City.

Think of it like Unilever. They supply a range of different products many of which are basically identical to each other but branded to suit the target market. That gives them a presence in multiple markets which they otherwise would not have if they marketed their product under the one brand name.

I think the only issue is that if you owe shares in 1 club you can own no more than 12% in another club

 

[Don_Felipe]

I think the only issue is that if you owe shares in 1 club you can own no more than 12% in another club

Didn't ENIC have something like that going on before they bought us... Think they had to sell the rest...

 

[michaelden]

Didn't ENIC have something like that going on before they bought us... Think they had to sell the rest...

I think they only had to sell the 13% and above shares in their other clubs

 

[Reece]

Didn't ENIC have something like that going on before they bought us... Think they had to sell the rest...

Pretty sure the ENIC jobby was Slavia Prague.

I'm also pretty sure @balalasaurus they have set up a city team in Thailand as well.

 

[absolute bobbins]

ENIC previously owned stakes in Rangers, Slavia Prague, AEK Athens and FC Basel

 

[bat-chain]

Over on VillaTalk the drugs have really kicked in, this is them talking about potential swaps for 29 year old Vlaar who is entering the final year of his contract.

If Spurs are serious abour Vlaar i'd want both Dawson and Capoue in exchange

If spurs want vlaar a cash deal + capoue will be great.

Hotlby Dawson plus cash? Almost tempted! What else can you throw in Levy.

Erik Lamela in the swap deal would be nice plus cash our way

But this is my favourite...

I think Erik Lamela would be a disaster in all honesty. Doesnt strike me as someone who would be up for a scrap.

 

[michaelden]

Over on VillaTalk the drugs have really kicked in, this is them talking about potential swaps for 29 year old Vlaar who is entering the final year of his contract.

But this is my favourite...

I'm guessing Vlaar is very highly rated in Villa

 

[TheUltimateHotspur]

Villa fans are deluded. Remember talking to some last summer when we were linked with Benteke. They kept saying why would he want to make a step down? lol

 

[Spurs Lodge Kittens]

Yeah - we'll do a swap with our £30m 22-year-old signing for your £4m 29/30-year-old signing. Delusional.

 

[Flynn]

hahaha, seriously have they forgot last time they dealt with Daniel Levy they ended up with Jenas and Hutton.