This Week’s Manager Watch: Ryan Mason

[tooey]

I don't need to wait for facts, I know all three will ultimately disappoint. No way back for any of them for me at Spurs, let's not let this new manager bounce kid anyone.

I don't often do this (tell people when I've put them on ignore), but just for this one post alone I'm putting you on ignore, you are an idiot sir.

 

[BringBack_leGin]

I don't need to wait for facts, I know all three will ultimately disappoint. No way back for any of them for me at Spurs, let's not let this new manager bounce kid anyone.

You may will be right, and I’d suggest in Winks case there is certainly a lack of enough previous good form to suggest he has it in him, but the other two ranged from good to excellent across 3 and 4 sessions respectively until the wheels started coming off after the summer of 2018, and in both cases have still shown glimpses since, admittedly nowhere near enough compared to how many bad matches they’ve played.

The odds are in your favour with your prediction of how things will now unfold for both of them and for Winks, but to stand out refuse to entertain the idea that there is any way back for players who were a key part of the best Spurs side in decades is, putting it politely, strange.

 

[DJS]

I don't need to wait for facts, I know all three will ultimately disappoint. No way back for any of them for me at Spurs, let's not let this new manager bounce kid anyone.

I’d like Winks moved on for going to the press and in general being not very good after numerous opportunities.

Dier and Dele if they continue to perform should be given opportunity to impress until end of season and decision made in summer.

With right system and personnel having Dele, Kane, Bale and Son all playing gives us a heck of a lot of goal scoring threats!

But they haven’t all been deployed that often to see how the balance works (whether makes us a bit too open).

Although given how many equalisers we shipped with a more defensive players in there attack may be more effective form of defence.

 

[CoopsieDeadpool]

He's doing exactly what I feared, relying on the likes of Dier, Winks and Alli too much. It was obvious that was what was going to happen. It's fine now whilst we are in the bounce period, but the wheels will fall off again eventually if we continue to rely on these players.

Thankfully Mason won't be in charge next season.

Who gives a fuck what he's doing as long as it's reaping rewards & getting results?

I couldn't give a shit if the lads are all chugging on bongs before each game if we're getting to see positive football & favourable results.

Why be thankful he won't be in charge next season? That's not here yet!

Just be thankful that we've actually had a couple of positive results, the football has been better, the players are smiling again and, most importantly, Mourinho is no longer killing our souls.

 

[Aphex]

You may will be right, and I’d suggest in Winks case there is certainly a lack of enough previous good form to suggest he has it in him, but the other two ranged from good to excellent across 3 and 4 sessions respectively until the wheels started coming off after the summer of 2018, and in both cases have still shown glimpses since, admittedly nowhere near enough compared to how many bad matches they’ve played.

The odds are in your favour with your prediction of how things will now unfold for both of them and for Winks, but to stand or refuse to entertain the idea that there is any way back for players who were a key part of the best Spurs side in decades is, putting it politely, strange.

Seems that post has ruffled some feathers.

Dier was good at DM quite a few seasons ago, he's not a good CB.

Alli. Don't rate him.

Delighted to see them play well but I just don't want them here next season.

 

[Aphex]

I don't often do this (tell people when I've put them on ignore), but just for this one post alone I'm putting you on ignore, you are an idiot sir.

Someone's having a bad day, pathetic.

 

[Nayim60yards]

I don't need to wait for facts, I know all three will ultimately disappoint. No way back for any of them for me at Spurs, let's not let this new manager bounce kid anyone.

This reminds me of Brendan Rodgers and his envelope in that Liverpool documentary with the names of three players that will let him down. He didn’t wait for facts either.

 

[Nayim60yards]

Someone's having a bad day, pathetic.

Sounded like a joke to me Aphex. Your post was bound to divide opinion and invite responses.

 

[BringBack_leGin]

Seems that post has ruffled some feathers.

Dier was good at DM quite a few seasons ago, he's not a good CB.

Alli. Don't rate him.

Delighted to see them play well but I just don't want them here next season.

I accept that the jury is out on whether Dier can ever do what he needs to do to be a first choice centre back, but equally it’s all be under a manager who was doing a bad job. Will be curious to see if a new manager can help him, but I accept that there is good reason to be cynical here.

As for Dele, did you never rate him or of it just now. If never, I find that more than a little harsh given his extraordinary first 3 seasons. I only now, but you did before, then sure there’s enough evidence there that there’s something to work with for a new manager, no?

We didn’t achieve our best ever three league positions and points totals carrying two players who weren’t good enough in almost every match in that time.

 

[Aphex]

I accept that the jury is out on whether Dier can ever do what he needs to do to be a first choice centre back, but equally it’s all be under a manager who was doing a bad job. Will be curious to see if a new manager can help him, but I accept that there is good reason to be cynical here.

As for Dele, did you never rate him or of it just now. If never, I find that more than a little harsh given his extraordinary first 3 seasons. I only now, but you did before, then sure there’s enough evidence there that there’s something to work with for a new manager, no?

We didn’t achieve our best ever three league positions and points totals carrying two players who weren’t good enough in almost every match in that time.

With Alli, I've always thought he is a player who lacks some fundamentals in his game to enable him to be a top player. I also think he doesn't fit a modern system of play. There's no doubting he scored lots of goals in the early Poch years when he broke through, but he was very much set up in a system that assisted him hugely to allow him to do his reactionary finishes.

I don't see a talented enough player that we should build the team around, and also let's be honest taking away from his obvious technical deficiences, his attitude and training application reportedly leave a lot to be desired.

So whilst I was a big fan of his output in the early years, I didn't think he was a well rounded player. See no reason now to change my mind on this, in fact I feel vindicated in my initial observations.

Let's not forget Alli played well in Jose's first 6 games too after a good year and a half of poor performances under Poch. I would most definitely sell him in the summer and if we do not, we will regret it massively when it all goes wrong again under the next manager.

 

[BringBack_leGin]

I also think he doesn't fit a modern system of play.

Not overly sure what this means.

There's no doubting he scored lots of goals in the early Poch years when he broke through, but he was very much set up in a system that assisted him hugely to allow him to do his reactionary finishes.

Isn’t the whole point of a manager to system a system that suits its best players? Plus, it’s not as if Pochettino never ostracised players who didn’t do what he wanted them to do, like Townsend and Chadli. It can’t have been complete coincidence that after a year of laying the foundations for our style of play, Dele came along and fit it perfectly. He also made many goals, and I’m pretty sure if it was just a case of enabling ‘reactionary finishes’ than any authentic bloke with half decent ability could do it.

I don't see a talented enough player that we should build the team around, and also let's be honest taking away from his obvious technical deficiences, his attitude and training application reportedly leave a lot to be desired.

Who said build a team around him? All I’m saying is that, he’s done enough previously that it’s not being imagination that he could do it again.

So whilst I was a big fan of his output in the early years, I didn't think he was a well rounded player.

I never quite know what a well rounded player means (other than Jan Molby). Most players are good at a few things and success in systems which accentuate that. It’s what makes the Kanes of this world so rare.

See no reason now to change my mind on this, in fact I feel vindicated in my initial observations.

That just sounds like you waited for the years of exceptional form to subside so you could have a go at him.

Let's not forget Alli played well in Jose's first 6 games too after a good year and a half of poor performances under Poch.

Dele was poor under Pochettino last season yes, and the previous season had his worst return (still a goal or assist every three matches) while being badly hit by injury for the first time in his career (he actually started the season very well).

You may well be right that Dele has to leave and there’s no way he can contribute going forward, but your flat out insistence that a guy who at one point consistently performed to a very high standard for us, and was part of our best side in doing so, has no chance of being a good player for us again is what I take umbrage with. I personally would get rid but I definitely see why, depending on the wishes of our new manager, we wouldn’t.

 

[Shadydan]

Primativ is that you? @Aphex

 

[Bluto Blutarsky]

No backward passes? Is that even allowed?

 

[wirE]

No backward passes? Is that even allowed?

This I like. Hope we're all out attack at kick-off against Leeds.

 

[spursfan77]

He gives off good air of confidence striding round the training ground.

 

[newbie]

What! we are practicing attacking? Sack Mason now! Clearly his no idea of what Spurs want!

No backward passes? Is that even allowed?

 

[king_yid]

Who gives a fuck what he's doing as long as it's reaping rewards & getting results?

I couldn't give a shit if the lads are all chugging on bongs before each game if we're getting to see positive football & favourable results.

Why be thankful he won't be in charge next season? That's not here yet!

Just be thankful that we've actually had a couple of positive results, the football has been better, the players are smiling again and, most importantly, Mourinho is no longer killing our souls.

Amen!

 

[Joshua shepherd]

No backward passes? Is that even allowed?

Sissoko at 1:10, just stick him in the reserves.

 

[Bluto Blutarsky]

Sissoko at 1:10, just stick him in the reserves.

Some good clips of Ndombele though - so in addition to actual coaching, it was good to see players reacting positively.

 

[Everlasting Seconds]

I've been thinking. Just sign him up on a two years deal.