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-Afri-Coy-

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Just a reminder that you can support Ange and the team whilst having disdain towards the board and Levy.

Losing Kane in itself is unacceptable, we should never have been in a place where he wanted to leave in the first place. But it couldn’t be avoided.

So the next best thing to do would be to replace his qualities in the team with a few additions that somewhat blunt the blow from losing Kane. We haven’t done that.

There is no logical or fathomable excuse for this. Yes, we need to get players out, but we are not in a position where it’s a necessity before we sign one or two players. We’ll be left short, once again, and we can’t allow this shit to continue.

Levy gets no more passes from me and he shouldn’t get any from a single fan in the world. Incompetence at the highest level.
 

-Afri-Coy-

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This INCLUDES Porro and Kulusevski fees. Removing those two, we’ve spent less than fucking BURNLEY!!!
 

robin09

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With 2 protests going on, 1 of which led by the trust, its pretty much nailed on.

If he was really worried about fan sentiment, he wouldn't have priced regular fans out of matchday tickets for an inconsequential revenue boost. He's never seemed to make decisions based on fan pressure, or he wouldn't have considered moving us to Stratford, either.

The latest 'what is he thinking?!' is the Lloris rumours. Lazio want him for free, Levy wants a fee. Hugo has given us 11 years of service, he's not in the squad, we don't want or need him. If anyone deserves a bit of goodwill it's our former captain.

Even ignoring the sentimental angle, sticking with the economics which is what gets Levy hard - had let Hugo be available for a free transfer, he'd already have left by now, and the money we would have saved in wages over the summer, would probably equal any token fee we're holding out for now. It's another baffling decision from Levy.
 

Darth Vega

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This INCLUDES Porro and Kulusevski fees. Removing those two, we’ve spent less than fucking BURNLEY!!!
Net spend is not half as relevant as people think anymore, it's about strategy and execution. I would rather £30m on BIssouma than £115m on Caicedo or £60m on Lavia. For further comparison, Chelsea's midfield three of Lavia, Caicedo and Enzo costs north of £250m but ours of Bentancur, Maddison and Bissouma only costs £85m - I know which I'd rather have.

The reality is that we have been among the highest spenders in the Premier League since 2019 but we have no idea what the fuck we're doing with that money.

Some examples:

  • In the summer of 2021 we signed Gil, Emerson and Sarr (amongst others) for roughly 70-80m each, only to sack a manager we never should have hired and replace him with someone who wanted a totally different player to Emerson; didn't care for Sarr last season because he was too raw despite being talented; and hated Gil because he has the body of a child. That's a high net spend but a total fucking waste of money because we have no idea why we buy these players and for what manager.

  • Last year we spent £12.5m on a right-back our manager never asked for and then £43m on a specialist RWB in January when it was clear at that point our manager was headed out sooner rather than later. Now we've spent £55m quid on two right-backs who might be useless in this system - a totally self-inflicted wound because we don't have an identity.

  • Lo Celso, signed in 2019 for a very high price (circa 50m+ all told) is about to maybe finally have his breakthrough season with us four years on at the age of 27.
Our issue isn't money anymore and focusing on it misses the point. The issue is actually much, much worse because all we've proven is that whether we spend loads or little we're fucking clueless. The idea that if we suddenly chucked £200m more on this team we'd be competitive is detached from the facts. All more money would make us is a worse version of what United have been under Ed Woodward until recently; aimless and directionless with a schizophrenic approach to managers, structure and recruitment leading to sub-par results relative to the investment made.

There is plenty to criticise Levy for but we should at least be accurate in that criticism because focusing on net spend just makes our arguments against him lose credibility because they haven't been valid for many years.
 
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Snarfalicious

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Jul 15, 2012
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The worst part for me is he has most definitely won. We are here HOPING we can maybe spend another £60-75m on a few more signings and in the grand scheme of things, that is such a minor outlay for a club our size, and considering the Kane money. But here we are sat just hoping that might be possible. It’s because we are so disillusioned with ENIC and Levy, and we know they won’t push the boat out to really try and right the ship (nautical puns!). The problem is we hope for the bare minimum, and we don’t even get that most of the time.
 

Rout-Ledge

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Jul 29, 2005
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Is our net spend actually zero each window?

I'd like to see the stats of the last say 8 windows, the 3-4 in the new stadium and the 3-4 before that.
I read that our net spent over the past four years or so is fifth highest in the league. It tends to be about £70m on average a season.
 

Albertbarich

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Jul 4, 2020
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I get that we ALL want players out, but unless someone wants to buy them, you can't sell them. And who wants to buy a load of players who's fanbase have been consistently calling shite for 2+ seasons?
Of course it's the fans fault their incompetent

Course it is.
 

Russ1201

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Aug 8, 2019
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When Levy still sits on the Kane money tnis weekend i wonder if the fans will let Levy know what they think about it.
It's a great opportunity before,half time and after the game to let him know how we all feel. But doubt we will as he gets a easy ride AGAIN.
 

Dunc2610

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Aug 7, 2008
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Of course it's the fans fault their incompetent

Course it is.
Well, no of course its not the fans fault!! But you know what I'm getting at. A set of players deemed not good enough, and therefore not played, confidence dropped etc, not easy to sell, like trying to sell a rusty Mk2 escort ghia in beige, who the hell wants that!?
 

sundanceyid10

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Aug 22, 2013
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The most important part of being a football club, the actual football has already begun, the season has started. Once again we haven’t sorted out business properly before kicking off. Same old story, a new signings will need bedding in time, no doubt we once again drop points through not being prepared. It like a broken record every year.
 

funkycoldmedina

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Net spend is not half as relevant as people think anymore, it's about strategy and execution. I would rather £30m on BIssouma than £115m on Caicedo or £60m on Lavia. For further comparison, Chelsea's midfield three of Lavia, Caicedo and Enzo costs north of £250m but ours of Bentancur, Maddison and Bissouma only costs £85m - I know which I'd rather have.

The reality is that we are among the highest spenders in the Premier League since 2019 but our issue has been we have no idea what the fuck we're doing.

Some examples:

  • In the summer of 2021 we signed Gil, Emerson and Sarr (amongst others) for roughly 70-80m each, only to sack a manager we never should have hired and replace him with someone who wanted a totally different player to Emerson; didn't care for Sarr last season because he was too raw despite being talented; and hated Gil because he has the body of a child. That's a high net spend but a total fucking waste of money because we have no idea why we buy these players and for what manager.

  • Last year we spent £12.5m on a right-back our manager never asked for and then £43m on a specialist RWB in January when it was clear at that point our manager was headed out sooner rather than later. Now we have £55m quid on two right-backs who might be useless in this system - a totally self-inflicted wound because we don't know have an identity.

  • Lo Celso, signed in 2019 for a very high price (circa 50m+ all told) is about to maybe finally have his breakthrough season with us four years on at the age of 27
Our issue isn't money anymore and focusing on it misses the point. The issue is actually much, much worse because all we've proven is that whether we spend loads or little we're fucking clueless. The idea that if we suddenly chucked £200m more on this team we'd be competitive is detached from the facts. All more money would make us is a worse version of what United have been under Ed Woodward until recently; aimless and directionless with a schizophrenic approach to managers, structure and recruitment leading to sub-par results relative to the investment made.

There is plenty to criticise Levy for but we should at least be accurate in that criticism because focusing on net spend just makes our arguments against him lose credibility because they haven't been valid for many years.
I can't winner this enough times
 

synththfc

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Pretty incredible to me that this “revolution” that was being parroted in the media by our favorite club-connected journalists has turned into just Winks, Rodon, and our talismanic striker out the door with just over 2 weeks to go. Davinson Sanchez, who most spurs fans have considered surplus to requirements for YEARS now, is currently our third choice CB.


Just like our revolution under Conte last summer and the Nuno revolution before that. Don’t forget about Mourinho’s revolution and Poch’s painful rebuild.

If you can’t see it now, you never will I guess.
 

Keith Morris

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I don’t get the net spend obsession. Also spending money on large fees does not guarantee success, look at the likes of West Ham recently. We need to target the right players at the right price - those that improve the team and fit the postecoglu profile. I am sure we will bring a few in
 

synththfc

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I don’t get the net spend obsession. Also spending money on large fees does not guarantee success, look at the likes of West Ham recently. We need to target the right players at the right price - those that improve the team and fit the postecoglu profile. I am sure we will bring a few in
Look at West ham, the team that just won a european trophy and who’s have been given the best day of their lives? Not the best example there mate
 

Albertbarich

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Well, no of course its not the fans fault!! But you know what I'm getting at. A set of players deemed not good enough, and therefore not played, confidence dropped etc, not easy to sell, like trying to sell a rusty Mk2 escort ghia in beige, who the hell wants that!?
Whatever way you spin it this a huge indication of the utter incompetence of those running the club.

Years of mismanagement have led us to this. We had one bad season after finish fourth the previous year so why is it Chelsea can sell their players , they finished below us, Southampton are doing ok and they got relegated, Liverpool have used the market ok for their aging squad to get things moving.

I bet we have close to the biggest squad in the league and I bet we would like to sell almost half. It's massive incompetence.

It's not bad luck, you can't earn millions and just shrug and put it down to unfortunate circumstance. Hell the bloke who has been in charge of it for the past couple of years got banned and they're still keeping him round.

You can argue better the devil you know, you can argue that they have done more good than bad, you can argue that it's unfair to expect them to compete with oil states but the mess they have let out squad get in isn't even a debate. It's incompetence and they either need to change whatever is making this happen or get some help
 
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