Trouble is he's already made his move by hiring Munn. Yet the fans are still calling for him to go. I don't see any way for him unless he steps down as chairman. More likely he's going to hope the next manager digs him out again.
I think the point I am making is that those people not joining in the "attacks" on Levy are simply trying to be realistic. The "attack/defend" formulation is yours (and many others admittedly). I just don't think that formulation is very helpful. It doesn't tell us much other than that emotions are running high and leads to much tilting at windmills.I'd say coming to the stadium and hearing 60,000 people chanting they want you out on a regular basis could be quite persuasive. Levy seems very sensitive to criticism. It probably won't happen on that scale but there is nothing stopping ENIC/Levy looking for a buyer or there is nothing stopping Levy from stepping back from the club whilst retaining ownership.
But that's beside the point. My question is for the people defending him. At what point does he become indefensible?
With the summer break upcoming, he will hope it all dies down, at least until next season.
Little chance, with no DoF and no Manager as well as the Kane saga being revisited we'll be in the limelights non-stop. And there's no one else left to hide behind...With the summer break upcoming, he will hope it all dies down, at least until next season.
Everyone’s entitled to their own opinion but it’s genuinely got to the point now where when I hear fans (admittedly a small minority) defending him it pisses me off. I feel like there’s some form of Stockholm syndrome with some of our fans and Levy
I think the point I am making is that those people not joining in the "attacks" on Levy are simply trying to be realistic. The "attack/defend" formulation is yours (and many others admittedly). I just don't think that formulation is very helpful. It doesn't tell us much other than that emotions are running high and leads to much tilting at windmills.
You may well be right about the hostile crowds leading to Levy packing it in but there is a cost to that. It doesn't help an already rock bottom morale at the club. Personally I also think it's a bit self-indulgent.
I totally agree with your assessment here. It is easy to look in and criticise when you have no responsibility or accountability, then actually being inside and having to shoulder the responsibilities! Everyone makes mistakes, not only Levy. As long as the owners have faith in his abilities, he will stay on. Fans don't see the whole picture.I’m not ‘Levy out’ so I’ll say what I came to say and fuck off and leave you in peace.
I don’t give Henry Winter or Matt Law any credit for these snide pile-on pieces. It’s the easiest thing in the world to kick a man when he’s down. Was it Levy who picked two wing-backs who don’t have a clue how to defend as the full-backs in a 4 on Sunday? Is Levy responsible for the massive drop in Son’s form this year, or the haplessness of Kulusevski & Romero since Christmas? Is it Levy who broke these players to the extent they can’t handle anything but a 3-4-3?
Levy has made plenty of mistakes. Hiring Nuno was stupid, as was retaining Stellini when Conte got the boot. Both recommendations of Paratici, apparently. Levy also fucked up massively in summer 2018 transfer window, including in not paying a relative pittance for Grealish.
But so many things he’s blamed for were easily defensible decisions at the time and it is Monday morning quarterbacking to say differently now. Poch had 25 points from 24 games before he was sacked and had hardly won away from home in the league in a year. Both Mourinho and Conte were appointments large sections of the fanbase supported each time, as hiring pragmatic ‘win now’ managers made a degree of sense when Kane & Son were in their prime. I don’t think any of us felt we had a better option than Conte when Nuno was (rightly) sacked. Most of us were thrilled to get him.
And then the nonsense that he hasn’t invested in the team? He invested for Poch in 2019 (Ndombele, Lo Celso, Sess), for Jose in 2020 (Bale, Reguilon, Hojbjerg, Doherty, Bergwijn), for Nuno & Conte in 2021 & 2022 & 2023 (Romero, Emerson, Perisic, Richarlison, Bissouma, Bentancur, Porro, Kulu etc.) He has spent lots of money. But we were beaten 6-1 at the weekend by a team that contained Willock, Longstaff, Burn & Murphy in the starting line-up. We need to assign more fault to the guys hired to coach the players to perform.
So chant for Levy to go by all means, that’s your right. I don’t think it will work - he owns the club (with Lewis) so he’ll only go when he gets the money for the club that would make it worthwhile. But don’t for a second think the club we are today is in any way worse than the shitshow before Levy road into town. Or pretend that lots of decisions we portray as foolish now didn’t make sense at the time and for good reason. He needs to get the next decision on the coach right - as he did with Jol, Redknapp and Poch. Let’s not pretend though that lots of us and lots of journalists weren’t applauding other appointments that we make fun of now.
Ok, enough, I’ll fuck off.
That's his entitlement. You're calling people out over neg repping other people's posts and suggesting they should be banned for it. That's pretty pathetic tbhI see John Weldon is negative repping you without having anything to say for himself. He does this so regularly I am surprised it is allowed by the Mods.
Levy's biggest mistake, which he repeats ad nauseam is that he backs the players ahead of everything else. Successful clubs recognise that if you have a coherent and consistent football philosophy that underpins the entire system it doesn't matter that players come and go. Levy does the exact opposite, he will do anything to avoid purging players.
Many have defended Levy's penchant for paying top dollar for managers as a sign that he isn't always cheap. Actually, it's a sign that he is. In his mind, it's better to hire the best manager money can buy to get the best out of your players, rather than consider rebuilding the squad. Saves a fortune.
It doesn't matter when Pochettino tells you that the squad needs a painful rebuild, get rid of the naysayer and bring in the guaranteed success of Mourinho. Doesn't matter when he tells you that the squad needs a painful rebuild, Conte will prove them wrong.
In 21 minutes Newcastle exposed exactly what this leads to, a bunch of entitled, safe and comfortable players who always know that if they kick up a fuss, they can get rid of tough training methods, exhausting high press tactics, anything that makes their lives a little tough.
Of course we have spent money, but Levy interferes enough that any manager knows that they don't really have the power. For every Perisic there is a Spence. And the players know that too, they know that when the shit hits the fan, they will be safe, the manager will be gone. And so we are left with a stagnant pool of indifference that our Chairmen thinks is worth millions more than it is.
Nailed it. Fantastic post.Levy's biggest mistake, which he repeats ad nauseam is that he backs the players ahead of everything else. Successful clubs recognise that if you have a coherent and consistent football philosophy that underpins the entire system it doesn't matter that players come and go. Levy does the exact opposite, he will do anything to avoid purging players.
Many have defended Levy's penchant for paying top dollar for managers as a sign that he isn't always cheap. Actually, it's a sign that he is. In his mind, it's better to hire the best manager money can buy to get the best out of your players, rather than consider rebuilding the squad. Saves a fortune.
It doesn't matter when Pochettino tells you that the squad needs a painful rebuild, get rid of the naysayer and bring in the guaranteed success of Mourinho. Doesn't matter when he tells you that the squad needs a painful rebuild, Conte will prove them wrong.
In 21 minutes Newcastle exposed exactly what this leads to, a bunch of entitled, safe and comfortable players who always know that if they kick up a fuss, they can get rid of tough training methods, exhausting high press tactics, anything that makes their lives a little tough.
Of course we have spent money, but Levy interferes enough that any manager knows that they don't really have the power. For every Perisic there is a Spence. And the players know that too, they know that when the shit hits the fan, they will be safe, the manager will be gone. And so we are left with a stagnant pool of indifference that our Chairmen thinks is worth millions more than it is.
Back to wall is when Levy acts, it’s why we never win anything, his motivation isn’t to win, it’s to keep enough happy, make money anyway you can and only spend when you absolutely have too, with the caveat of only those he agrees to too. Screw what a manager actually thinks, they keep failing anyway… actually wonder why? Cycle repeatWith poch going chelsea got a feeling Levy will give everything he has plus more to make it work and be better than them
Nothing will change in that regard. While the owners are happy with Levy's capabilities as a CEO he will remain. What a fraction of fans demand will not change anything.Trouble is he's already made his move by hiring Munn. Yet the fans are still calling for him to go. I don't see any way for him unless he steps down as chairman. More likely he's going to hope the next manager digs him out again.
I don't care how big his ego is, the amount or criticism he's getting will be hitting him and I really think he will be looking for buyers very soon
Back to wall is when Levy acts, it’s why we never win anything, his motivation isn’t to win, it’s to keep enough happy, make money anyway you can and only spend when you absolutely have too, with the caveat of only those he agrees to too. Screw what a manager actually thinks, they keep failing anyway… actually wonder why? Cycle repeat
We fans have seen first hand for decades how he operates. He won't sell for a penny less than what he deemes the club being worth.
We had no choice - it was an administrative f**k up. Which was unforgivable and a further sign that it's chaos behind the scenes.Didn't we just release a first team squad member for nothing last window. Im quite certain that's contradictory to this statement.