The Daily ITK Discussion Thread - 10th August

[jt hotspur]

More information from Dragon 1 on COYS

Daniel is more sensitive over wages than transfer fees

incomings will depend heavily on shifting Tanguy who is on 200k a week , Loris 100k and Sanchez 80k a week

get movement on them then we may have one or max two buys

So Dan is ready to spend some mils np but not until the big wage boys are gone. What about sacking the crap. Take contract buy out off his apparent budget and see what's left. If those 3 ndombele etc buy outs are more than the budget take your heads for a wobble and realise the board are getting fkn rich while we get the same silly stories every single year of our lives..sorry if that offends I'm a non poster these days as it never fkn changes. Levy out

 

[SpartanSpur]

I just don't see what club is going to want to sell a key player with so little time left in the window.

No doubt it'll be some opportunistic gambles now.

 

[Trent Crimm]

I can’t for the life of me see how it would be ok or Levy would see it as ok to not bring anyone else in after selling Kane and ending up with barely any net spend this summer.

Absolutely negligent

Levy saw the Utd game. Declared himself a genius and decided we would be ok. Guarantee it.

 

[Finchyid]

Without questioning the ITK as its always appreciated. I struggle to see how wages can still be such an issue now that Kane has gone and we have steady revenue from the stadium.

I can't imagine the financial position we'd be in so if we didn't sell kane!

400k a week is 20m a year. I see that is a big issue when it’s players that won’t play

 

[Norvern Munkey]

Bloody hell this year is worse than ever before..... things are gonna be fluid for the week so apply some patience FFS!! Whether you approve or not that is the way it is .. for whatever reason we need to sell first or at least have some firm indication that some are gonna go before we commit further to our 30 something man squad. Its a self sufficient system deal with it.

Going overboard about snippets of info (not gospel truth unless you were in the room listening in to the source materials !)

Looks like chas&dave is also a family member!
The sensitivity of these BSODL is something to behold.
Bring it on MFs!

This guy has just done the Internet equivalent of doing a full hulk hogan vest rip .... I laughed so hard I did a squirt of wee.

 

[Trent Crimm]

Hold me closer tiny dancer

 

[Matrix]

I just don't see what club is going to want to sell a key player with so little time left in the window.

No doubt it'll be some opportunistic gambles now.

We know how those usually turn out....deadwood that no-one wants to add to our deadwood no-one wants

 

[jolsnogross]

More information from Dragon 1 on COYS

Daniel is more sensitive over wages than transfer fees

incomings will depend heavily on shifting Tanguy who is on 200k a week , Loris 100k and Sanchez 80k a week

get movement on them then we may have one or max two buys

Signing Ndombele at Kane levels of wage was so insane when you consider he gave Poch 12 league games to work with him. Who operates like this - making a record signing and then shifting out the manager who presumably wanted him? ANd that shouldn't shock us since he seems to make signings the manager doesn't want either, let alone the next manager that comes in. It's such an atrocious way of managing recruitment it beggars belief.

If Daniel is more sensitive over wages these days, you'd hope he understands what the market levels are and how much he himself has contributed to vast waste of resources based on what appears to be impulsive decisons over players and managers....him being the only constant in all of this.

Anyway, Lloris will surely be gone and haggling for a fee will surely melt away as the deadline comes along. He doesn't want to be here, we've gotten good service, let him go. Similarly, Sanchez can get us 10M in a fee and off the books. Surely just wrap that up for outgoing to Spain or Italy. And any sort of loan for Ndombele would be helpful even though it's likely only half the wages that get covered.

Selling Kane is a big wage off the books too.

This shouldn't be that difficult to achieve, with Maddison most likely the only high-end wage earner recruited.

 

[HobbitSpur]

I kind of disagree. It’s all about image and precedent imo. Levy has a reputation for a reason and he’ll believe that is more valuable in retaining even if it means players do run down their contracts.

Think of it like this - he takes cut price deals on a few players now, or terminates contracts then what about next summer if there are players we need to shift. Or the summer after.

I’m not saying I agree with it just trying to understand all sides of the situation

This 100%. One of the reasons (NOT the only one before everyone gives a multitude of other reasons to disagree) how we managed to get 100m for Kane instead of the 60m initially offered.

The actual real underlying problem is that we purchased badly.

I am by no means in the BsoDL camp but we, as are 99% of other clubs, are now unfortunately businesses. And to be successful in business you have to set precedence.

 

[Russ1201]

Outgoings will happen a lot of it will be next week but 3 are edging closer to the exit hopefully before the end of the weekend .
We have deals lined up when we move out the unwanted . We want 3 players still.

Thanks for sharing. I'm not ready to be hurt again this window

 

[absolute bobbins]

D1 on COYS:

Told v quiet we are struggling to move players out and Daniel does not want to spend what we do not receive first which makes me think the maddison , vdv buys was the kane money

told most likely is another center half over a forward , they like orban and are monitoring but no more than 50/50 chance of a deal , center half more likely

Once again, the fucking munchkin will leave money on the table with his fuckwittery.

There is no business case to be made for the lack of outgoings and there should be a fucking fire sale on the drek that is clogging up the squad,. The club should spend now, bribe and cajole the players we don’t want and accept any offer within 50% (preferably 70%) of Levy’s ludicrous valuations. The club have got a manager who actually wants to be there, so fucking back him and perhaps have a leaner summer next year if the team do not hit targets.

Enough of this polishing turds and hoping the youth will come good. Most of them won’t be good enough , and a polished turd is still a turd.

Oh and Ndombele, yeah you got hosed on it, just take the L with good grace, pay him up and make him fuck off.

 

[rawhide]

You learn nothing about Ange, he is his own man and you just pushing your narrative.

With respect, I have a number of years experience in communications with key parties outside of individual companies. If you think people put in front of the media on a regular basis aren’t trained professionals in public speaking, delivering messages that align with the organisation’s strategic goals and vision, then you’re sadly mistaken.

Its not a narrative from my perspective, it’s me acknowledging that there’s always an agenda behind public communication by an organisation.

 

[worcestersauce]

So Dan is ready to spend some mils np but not until the big wage boys are gone. What about sacking the crap. Take contract buy out off his apparent budget and see what's left. If those 3 ndombele etc buy outs are more than the budget take your heads for a wobble and realise the board are getting fkn rich while we get the same silly stories every single year of our lives..sorry if that offends I'm a non poster these days as it never fkn changes. Levy out

I believe to buy out the contract you have to pay up all the wages for the rest of the contract so you aren't saving any wages at all.
If there's a chance of moving them on with no cost that's probably better isn't it?

 

[the yid]

What I'm expecting 3 or 4 out maybe 1 in

 

[Rob]

400k a week is 20m a year. I see that is a big issue when it’s players that won’t play

I'd be interested in getting an accountants view of this as I'm assuming their transfer fee is no longer "on the books" or it's minimal debt, whereas the wage commitment is huge.

I think even Levy could see the economics of this. He just needs to get over his pride about doing a good "deal".

 

[Scott Spur]

Just to add a bit of balance.

We don’t have Europe to worry about this season and bar the domestic cups we’ll only play once a week. So there is no need for a massive squad, as we won’t be forced to rotate as we would normally.

As has been said, we can only register 25 players over 21 and back them up with any number that are under 21.

I’d argue that we probably don’t ‘need’ a full 25 man squad this season, somewhere closer to 20 could cope with fatigue and injuries. There are also benefits to having a smaller squad in years like this and maybe Ange is up for that.

So personally, I expect the 5 or 6 we ship out (hopefully) only replaced by a few in key positions, and I’d be happy with that this window.

But as always, please remember I know nothing

 

[absolute bobbins]

I'd be interested in getting an accountants view of this as I'm assuming their transfer fee is no longer "on the books" or it's minimal debt, whereas the wage commitment is huge.

I think even Levy could see the economics of this. He just needs to get over his pride about doing a good "deal".

Transfer values will be amortised over the life of contract 1, according to Simon Jordan. This is why Chelsea have been offering 8 year deals and selling academy graduates.

 

[Rob]

Alternatively, this year should be viewed as a prolonged pre-season where we get young players in, get them trained up and used to Ange's system so that next year they can hit the ground running.

 

[Rob]

Transfer values will be amortised over the life of contract 1, according to Simon Jordan. This is why Chelsea have been offering 8 year deals and selling academy graduates.

Yeah, that's what I meant by not being on the books or minimal.

The only bit of the equation I don't know is what happens when we "rip up a contract". If we let Ndombele go to Turkey on a free, do we still pay out his contract or does his new club take it over. I don't think there's a consensus on how that works.

 

[PCozzie]

Outgoings will happen a lot of it will be next week but 3 are edging closer to the exit hopefully before the end of the weekend .
We have deals lined up when we move out the unwanted . We want 3 players still.

That's more encouraging news to wake up to. Thanks WLB.