Sherwood and Ferdinand - are they tactically good enough?

[ebzrascal]

Just finished watching the first half of City v Chelsea and thinking about comments made by Sherwood and Ferdinand regarding how they don`t believe in holding midfielders. So Jose Mourinho has played with two players holding and Chelsea are playing brilliantly counter attacking and bossing the game.

Most Spurs fans I know thought this was the obvious tactic to go with against the bigger teams. I am not saying we would have won against City playing holding midfielders and Chelsea might still lose the game tonight but playing this way they give themselves a chance...

The way Sherwood and Ferdinand set the team up against City we lost before the game started...

I hope when we play Chelsea/Arsenal/Liverpool they have learnt their lesson and play with two holding...
Sherwood has a good record but even the games we won we were not that convincing...

 

[tototoner]

Yes but still a lot to learn

Was Villas-Boas tactically good enough?
Was Harry Redknapp tactically good enough?
Was Juande Ramos tactically good enough?
Was Martin Jol tactically good enough?

Every coach and manager is continually learning

I see and read from a lot of brilliant hindsight tactians on here, how many of them have managed a top flight football team?

 

[jezz]

Yes but still a lot to learn

Was Villas-Boas tactically good enough?
Was Harry Redknapp tactically good enough?
Was Juande Ramos tactically good enough?
Was Martin Jol tactically good enough?

Every coach and manager is continually learning

I see and read from a lot of brilliant hindsight tactians on here, how many of them have managed a top flight football team?

The same could be said for Sherwood

 

[Locotoro]

Yes but still a lot to learn

Was Villas-Boas tactically good enough?
Was Harry Redknapp tactically good enough?
Was Juande Ramos tactically good enough?
Was Martin Jol tactically good enough?

Every coach and manager is continually learning

I see and read from a lot of brilliant hindsight tactians on here, how many of them have managed a top flight football team?

I have.

Used the ajax formation and went unbeaten in 98 for barca with sonny Anderson

 

[tototoner]

The same could be said for Sherwood

Exactly so who are they to judge him

 

[ebzrascal]

But should they be learning the Job at Spurs??? surely he could do that at Blackburn!!

 

[SpurSince57]

But should they be learning the Job at Spurs??? surely he could do that at Blackburn!!

It might be argued that Nicholson and Burkinshaw did.

 

[absolute bobbins]

Exactly so who are they to judge him

Spurs fans

 

[Jamturk]

Yes but still a lot to learn

Was Villas-Boas tactically good enough?
Was Harry Redknapp tactically good enough?
Was Juande Ramos tactically good enough?
Was Martin Jol tactically good enough?

Every coach and manager is continually learning



I see and read from a lot of brilliant hindsight tactians on here, how many of them have managed a top flight football team?

in my opinion there are a lot of managers who are tactically aware however they fall into 2 camps. Idealists and pragmatists Ferguson, Mourinho are the prags they adapt for the games and the opposition. Wenger etc are idealists who have a formula and practise and excel it.

 

[tototoner]

But should they be learning the Job at Spurs??? surely he could do that at Blackburn!!

The most successful ever managers at Tottenham came through the club and their 1st team management jobs were with us

Who gives a fuck about Blackburn

 

[jezz]

The most successful ever managers at Tottenham came through the club and their 1st team management jobs were with us

Who gives a fuck about Blackburn

Short memories?
We havent won the league for 50 years hardly short

 

[IGSpur]

Short memories?
We havent won the league for 50 years hardly short

Maybe we should go back to what helped us win the league then

 

[rich75]

It might be argued that Nicholson and Burkinshaw did.

Nicholson certainly did, prior to managing us he'd got 3 draws as assistant manager of England under his belt.

 

[jezz]

Maybe we should go back to what helped us win the league then

Greavies retired mate

 

[Buggsy61]

Greavies retired mate

That was even before Greavsie's time. He joined us the season after.

 

[Adam456]

The point the OP is making is that it's one thing to learn on the job but that you need some idea. For what it's worth I think Sherwood has got us playing nice football again and has motivated a couple of players and that we have had 5-6 top players missing. But for the Man City game, anybody could see that 3 in the middle was necessary and not to do so, playing the pedestrian Sig at LW when Capoue was available was ludicrous and criminal and Mourinho is showing him how tonight

 

[jezz]

That was even before Greavsie's time. He joined us the season after.

Correct my apologies, thinking european cup.

 

[ebzrascal]

Sherwood and Ferdinand please report to Jose Mourinho`s school in the morning... great tactics by chelsea tonight...

I think the main difference between AVB and Mourinho is that Jose looks at what players he has and changes the system and personnel to suit the opposition. He has a philosophy but he is not rigid or inflexible...

Sherwood seems fairy rigid in his thinking just like AVB which is worrying...

Also Sherwood telling the whole world before the game that Man City were basically unbeatable must have motivated his players big style - FFS !!! in my view he will not be a top manager...

 

[SpurSince57]

Nicholson certainly did, prior to managing us he'd got 3 draws as assistant manager of England under his belt.

Not a huge amount, is it? He was Anderson's assistant, too, and there was a general feeling that he'd been pulling the strings for quite a while before he took over. Be that as it may, I can remember quite a few arguments amongst the grown-ups around me on the terraces over whether he was really up to the job. We shipped nearly 100 (!) goals and finished alarmingly close to relegation. If the web had existed then SC would have been inundated with 'Nicholson Out!' and 'Is Nicholson Tictacally Naive?' threads.

 

[ero1x]

I like TS and want him to do well but have to admit I was left underwhelmed by the team selection/tactics against Citeh last Wednesday. Let's get this straight they are a very good side but are NOT the best team in the world, as Tim has (apparently) recently claimed.

We looked like frightened lambs to the slaughter and it was embarrassing at times. If we are going to play without designated defensive midfielders then at least play midfielders that can defend (especially when we play the top teams) and won't just get brushed aside like young Bentaleb the other night. I felt sorry for the kid who was sent out to do a man's job when we had at least one more suitably experienced candidate languishing on the bench.

Jose Mourinho's reply to the suggestion that Citeh are the best in the world was; 'Tottenham's world must only be in England' or something equally dismissive/condescending along those lines. Letting that p**** belittle us in such a way has also left me seething. I really hope Tim gets it right, he's had a very good PL start (until the Citeh game), now we've had a slight blip and have to start winning matches again, with our better players also returning from their respective injuries. I think we're be about to find out just how tactically aware our management team really is.