Premier League officially postponed until 17th of June

[brasil_spur]

So can playing video games....
but it depends on how much you eat/play and what else you do.

Again playing video games is also not essential.
And yes whilst i agree you can mitigate the negative effects from McDonald's by eating in moderation and exercise etc..., that's not what the majority of people do. That's why in the country with arguably the biggest "fast food culture" (the US) you also see the highest obesity rate in the developed world.

 

[yankspurs]

He


He, like many others now will do anything he can to try and make the Torys look bad in all this. Its one big political games in every country as usual.

Fixed

 

[Yid-ol]

Eating McDonald's is not kind of essential. In fact it's detrimental to your health in the majority of cases and leads to obesity which increases your chances of having a more severe case of C-19.

Where is the evidence for your claims that A) all the jobs can be done while keeping social distancing and B) that football can't do this?

For point A) I'll start with takeaway food. If like me you have several local takeaways near you i want you to think about the size of their kitchen and number of staff they need to have to operate it. It might the local chippy or even, in many cases, somewhere like McDonalds or a popular coffee chain. Social distancing = a radius of 2m around every person all the time. Are you telling me that you honestly believe that these businesses are managing to adhere to this distance? Of course not.

Add into this that none of the staff are being tested. None of the public that are coming in and buying food are being tested. There are no quarantine procedures around the staff or public and in the event that a worker does catch the virus they do not have on hand medical staff to ensure it is caught early and to get on site medical assistance.

I'm not struggling to get the main point. You are looking at this whole thing far too simplistically and naively if you believe your narrative above.

Food is essential, McDonald's serve food, yes it's not the healthiest, but still good.

Domino's - they work in a kinda construction line, no need to be close to each other


Aston Martin - no need to be closer than 2 meters to client, just don't shake hands at the end
Amazon - parcels left on doorstep, not closer than 2 meters.
Garden centres - like shops open now, can put restrictions on people entering and one way systems

Now can you tell me how footballers can do that, as if you have ever seen a match, you will know it's a contact sport ( though classed as non contact)

 

[NickHSpurs]

Nick u do realise that the TV money was already paid out, hense the need to complete the games

I do, but that wasn't to broadcast every single remaining game. They'll be networks all over the world wanting to show them and I'm sure willing pay a lot of money to do so. The demand for the EPL even behind closed doors with everyone in lock down is still there globally.

It might not be the spectacle we're used to seeing but people have been without football for months, the same people complaining about it returning will still want to tune in.

 

[BringBack_leGin]

Is it ok to be in the camp of thinking a safe return seems implausible, but also accepting that should it return the decision will have been made by people with access to far more information than I have and trusting their judgement?

 

[brasil_spur]

Im not talking politics, I am talking fact when I said the government have missed their testing target (that they set) of 100,000 per day for 8 days in a row.

When we talk about the government missing testing targets were definitely talking about politics here.

Food is essential, McDonald's serve food, yes it's not the healthiest, but still good.

Domino's - they work in a kinda construction line, no need to be close to each other


Aston Martin - no need to be closer than 2 meters to client, just don't shake hands at the end
Amazon - parcels left on doorstep, not closer than 2 meters.
Garden centres - like shops open now, can put restrictions on people entering and one way systems

Now can you tell me how footballers can do that, as if you have ever seen a match, you will know it's a contact sport ( though classed as non contact)

Couldn't agree less about the McDonald's bit, but i'm more of a five guys fan myself

In simplistic terms you are correct, except in all the cases you've mentioned above you have explained how it's possible for those businesses to continue with preventative measures put in place. Whereas with football you seem to think there is no possibility of putting in preventative measures.

How can footballers do that:

- Isolate footballers and ensure they are adhering to strict social contact rules (i.e. no-one outside their household or the club).
- All non-playing staff to be tested and to wear PPE
- Test footballer, say 24 hours before a game
- Quarantine footballers from point of test until match (not a lot different to players travelling abroad and staying in one hotel but with stricter measures in place obviously)
- Any footballer testing positive to be removed for a period of time to be determined (probably 14 days).

I'm sure there is more that can be put in place, but these are some basic steps that could be fairly easily implemented that would mean a very, very low chance of any one player being infected and playing in a contact game.

 

[Yid-ol]

Is it ok to be in the camp of thinking a safe return seems implausible, but also accepting that should it return the decision will have been made by people with access to far more information than I have and trusting their judgement?

No, that's too logical! You must chose a side on irrational thinking and over the top arguments!

 

[wayneg]

When we talk about the government missing testing targets were definitely talking about politics here.

Sorry if it came across as political - that is not my intention. I was using fact, I wasnt using opinion or bias towards a political party.

 

[Metalhead]

He


He, like many others now will do anything he can to try and make the Torys look bad in all this. Its one big political games in this country as usual.

Well let's all keep politics out of this thread. I'm not interested in whether anyone is Tory or Labour or whatever on here. If people want to bash Labour or the Tories, there are plenty of threads elsewhere.

 

[Yid-ol]

When we talk about the government missing testing targets were definitely talking about politics here.


Couldn't agree less about the McDonald's bit, but i'm more of a five guys fan myself

In simplistic terms you are correct, except in all the cases you've mentioned above you have explained how it's possible for those businesses to continue with preventative measures put in place. Whereas with football you seem to think there is no possibility of putting in preventative measures.

How can footballers do that:

- Isolate footballers and ensure they are adhering to strict social contact rules (i.e. no-one outside their household or the club).
- All non-playing staff to be tested and to wear PPE
- Test footballer, say 24 hours before a game
- Quarantine footballers from point of test until match (not a lot different to players travelling abroad and staying in one hotel but with stricter measures in place obviously)
- Any footballer testing positive to be removed for a period of time to be determined (probably 14 days).

I'm sure there is more that can be put in place, but these are some basic steps that could be fairly easily implemented that would mean a very, very low chance of any one player being infected and playing in a contact game.

Social distancing off the pitch will be ok to do most of the time, but on the pitch is different.

They have banned celebrating together and all that due to covid19, but then can stand next to each other for a free kick or corner?!

 

[dudu]

Social distancing off the pitch will be ok to do most of the time, but on the pitch is different.

They have banned celebrating together and all that due to covid19, but then can stand next to each other for a free kick or corner?!

Also, training.

 

[dudu]

When we talk about the government missing testing targets were definitely talking about politics here.


Couldn't agree less about the McDonald's bit, but i'm more of a five guys fan myself

In simplistic terms you are correct, except in all the cases you've mentioned above you have explained how it's possible for those businesses to continue with preventative measures put in place. Whereas with football you seem to think there is no possibility of putting in preventative measures.

How can footballers do that:

- Isolate footballers and ensure they are adhering to strict social contact rules (i.e. no-one outside their household or the club).
- All non-playing staff to be tested and to wear PPE
- Test footballer, say 24 hours before a game
- Quarantine footballers from point of test until match (not a lot different to players travelling abroad and staying in one hotel but with stricter measures in place obviously)
- Any footballer testing positive to be removed for a period of time to be determined (probably 14 days).

I'm sure there is more that can be put in place, but these are some basic steps that could be fairly easily implemented that would mean a very, very low chance of any one player being infected and playing in a contact game.

What you're proposing isn't basic at all on the scale in which you are talking about doing it. And despite earning big bucks, I understand why players are hesitant to be isolated further when others are being isolated less and quarantined when others don't have to be to do their jobs.

How are you going to isolate footballers and ensure they are adhering to the strict social contract rules?
If you're testing a footballer 24 hours before the game and he tests positive, he has been infectious for 2 days already which means that another player from the group testing negative today, may test positive tomorrow.

 

[brasil_spur]

Social distancing off the pitch will be ok to do most of the time, but on the pitch is different.

They have banned celebrating together and all that due to covid19, but then can stand next to each other for a free kick or corner?!

This where the testing and isolation is important.

If all the players (and all pitch side non playing staff not wearing PPE) are tested and confirmed not to have C-19 say 24 hours before the game and then for that 24 hours they are all confined together in one space (such as confined hotel accommodation) and social distancing and PPE is implemented across all staff and players then in theory when the two teams meet there should be zero possibility of C-19 infection among the players.

Then it doesn't matter how close they are as they cannot pass a virus that they don't have.

Don't get me wrong, this is no small feat to achieve this and trying to implement this in a working environment where tens of millions of pounds aren't at stake would be near impossible to achieve. But IMO this is achievable IF the teams want to retain the TV money they have already been paid.

Also players are already starting training in small groups soon, so there is some inter-payer contact happening already.

 

[rossdapep]

Social distancing off the pitch will be ok to do most of the time, but on the pitch is different.

They have banned celebrating together and all that due to covid19, but then can stand next to each other for a free kick or corner?!

Corners will be fun. Players stood static in their own spaces waiting for the ball

 

[Yid-ol]

This where the testing and isolation is important.

If all the players (and all pitch side non playing staff not wearing PPE) are tested and confirmed not to have C-19 say 24 hours before the game and then for that 24 hours they are all confined together in one space (such as confined hotel accommodation) and social distancing and PPE is implemented across all staff and players then in theory when the two teams meet there should be zero possibility of C-19 infection among the players.

Then it doesn't matter how close they are as they cannot pass a virus that they don't have.

Don't get me wrong, this is no small feat to achieve this and trying to implement this in a working environment where tens of millions of pounds aren't at stake would be near impossible to achieve. But IMO this is achievable IF the teams want to retain the TV money they have already been paid.

Also players are already starting training in small groups soon, so there is some inter-payer contact happening already.

How long do the tests take to show a result? As if only just caught it with no symptoms does that show? Not really seen much on the tests so no idea of these.

 

[nailsy]

I am assumign based on what BJ said today - the government has taken the decision out of the PLs hands? or am I mistaken... i mean they could cite exceptions which the PL could be one

I guess it depends which part you look at. They would certainly fall under the category of If you can't work from home you should return to work.

All this to me is crazy. Just give Sky / BT / Amazon an extra year on their broadcasting contract. Pro rata the rate to be paid and start again when the world has stopped going mad. Lets get people back to work, work out antibody testing, etc. Much more important things.

You can't just give an extra year out and it's not just Sky/BT/Amazon it's global. All sides would have to agree to it and there are probably hundreds of different parties that would want different things.

No, and people down at the local hardware or supermarkets, you, and them in all likelihood have fuck all clue if they are carrying anything and they don't obey social distancing, and are bumping into you.
It is not like any other business, these people will be under much stricter controls, and it will be much safer for them albeit in full contact sport, than going to your local store, they will be in contact only with people that have passed numerous tests and in totally sterilized conditions.

I know you're just talking about their work environment, but players, or their partners, will presumably also have to go to the shops and will risk becoming infected that way. I'm sure many players also have partners that work. Or children that may be returning to school. The danger will be picking up the virus from someone who isn't a player and then passing it round whole squad and the opposition players before testing picks it up.

A lot of players seem to have been quite happy not social distancing in the last few months. If the argument is social distancing then you can wave goodbye to next season as well. If the authorities/scientists deem it safe to play and the players refuse to play you can expect the owners of football clubs to change their tune very quickly and start cancelling contracts. Danny Rose might just have added himself to the top of the hitlist.

They haven't deemed it safe to play though have they? You and I can't go to the park and have a kick around with our mates because it's not safe to do so. That's very clear in the latest guidelines. The players are being asked to play despite the potential health risk.

But that's the point for any worker in the UK. If you are vulnerable or shielding you don't work and keep full pay, makes complete sense.
If you look at the stats for death by age group, the risk to players is tiny. They have more chance of writing themselves off driving to the ground.

If there is any argument it should probably come from the support staff who are maybe in a higher risk age group.

However saying all that I have always believed the season should not be completed.

I'm not sure that's true. The extreme training that players go through during the season is thought to increase immunosuprression - the bodies ability to fight infection. Some of them might be a greater risk than you and I.

 

[wayneg]

How long do the tests take to show a result? As if only just caught it with no symptoms does that show? Not really seen much on the tests so no idea of these.

I believe they do show...

The coronavirus can be detected in swabs taken from the nose or throat, even before symptoms of illness first appear. This is why people can be infectious for a few days before the onset of symptoms, which usually appear about 5 days after the virus infects. Some people have no symptoms throughout their infection but are positive on the virus test and infectious to others.[1] After a few days of illness the concentration of the virus falls (as seen in swab samples) and the symptoms of the illness usually recede, while the level of antibodies in the blood goes up.[2]

 

[brasil_spur]

What you're proposing isn't basic at all on the scale in which you are talking about doing it. And despite earning big bucks, I understand why players are hesitant to be isolated further when others are being isolated less and quarantined when others don't have to be to do their jobs.

I agree it's not at all basic, it is complex. But with £350m at stake here and the already existing facilities and resources in place in the sport i think it's feasible.

How are you going to isolate footballers and ensure they are adhering to the strict social contract rules?
If you're testing a footballer 24 hours before the game and he tests positive, he has been infectious for 2 days already which means that another player from the group testing negative today, may test positive tomorrow.

You test the players daily for 2 weeks before the first game. It's not easy to implement and requires a lot of organisation. But with the amount of money at stake here i think it's do-able.

This is getting into the weeds of it all, and i doubt anyone on this forum is the right person to come up with the best process here. But i think it's totally feasible that a process can be implemented if the desire is there.

 

[punkisback]

Corners will be fun. Players stood static in their own spaces waiting for the ball

No difference for us I suppose...

 

[wayneg]

But i think it's totally feasible that a process can be implemented if the desire is there.

I agree with that, but my 2 big issues are the intregrity and fairness on how to complete the season with problems such as neutral venues, what if we are missing 3 players due to the illness, what if a player rejects the contract extension for a month to finish the season.

The other being that the government is trying to promote a 'stay alert' message and making baby steps coming out of lockdown, this has the massive potential to put us back into lockdown, with the population thinking its ok to now go to the park and play football, go round to friends houses and watch the matches as well as like I have already said when Liverpool win the league how are the authorities going to stop massive public gatherings that will break the current measures in place.