Player Watch Player Watch: Timo Werner

[thebenjamin]

Think as we look like qualifying for Europa, Werner is ideal for that competition and will get goals in there

Is it worth having a player on £8.5M a year for that?

 

[EssexSH27]

Easy no for me. He’s been alright, much better players out there. Wages wise makes no sense.

 

[Ghost Hardware]

Be interesting to see if we send him back to Leipzig for treatment or if he stays with us. Will probably be telling of our intentions re retaining him or not.

 

[Trix]

Be interesting to see if we send him back to Leipzig for treatment or if he stays with us. Will probably be telling of our intentions re retaining him or not.

Maybe, but you may find Leipzig insist on his return if the injury is serious as he's their asset and will want to ensure he's getting the best possible treatment in order to protect their investment.

 

[Ghost Hardware]

Maybe, but you may find Leipzig insist on his return if the injury is serious as he's their asset and will want to ensure he's getting the best possible treatment in order to protect their investment.

I get what your saying, makes sense from their perspective, but surely if we were intending to trigger his clause we would have communicated that to Leipzig and would prefer to oversee it ourselves. Doesn't our option end at the close of the season or is it a few weeks after? If its at the end of the season thats only two and half weeks away so one would hope we would have decide behind the scenes if we intend to retain him or not. Unless the severity of the injury is serious enough to put us off there is isn't much more we can learn about him at this point to influence our decision ether way.

 

[Impspur1]

I can’t remember being so torn about a player. Showed glimpses as a good pacey outlet but do worry even out wide his finishing is not great at best. No point having him and exploiting that pace if he doesn’t take advantage.

 

[Trix]

I get what your saying, makes sense from their perspective, but surely if we were intending to trigger his clause we would have communicated that to Leipzig and would prefer to oversee it ourselves. Doesn't our option end at the close of the season or is it a few weeks after? If its at the end of the season thats only two and half weeks away so one would hope we would have decide behind the scenes if we intend to retain him or not. Unless the severity of the injury is serious enough to put us off there is isn't much more we can learn about him at this point to influence our decision ether way.

I think even if we were quite sure on him we would be silly to commit straight away whilst there are uncertainties regarding players in other area's. I'm sure it would be of those we can string out a bit to make sure we have some of our other ducks in order first. It appears Timo would be happy to stay and we know Leipzig want him gone so it puts us in quite a strong position in that regard.

 

[Neon_Knight_]

Well an xG over twice his actual goals scored kind of tells the story doesn't it?

Expected assists and assists I'm seeing different stats. He's 53rd and 65th percentile in those.

I don't think he's bad at all but starting to wonder if using 17 mil to make it permanent is a good idea. On the one hand we'll have a lot of games next season but on the other we need to be signing some really good players, not average, and we still have Solomon and Son in that position.

Actual assists is dependent on teammates putting chances away, so xA is perhaps a better reflection of what he offers in terms of chance creation.
I'm not actually sure whether xA reflects chances created that a teammate is expected to score (i.e. high xA = high quality final balls) or how often a player gets into a position that they would be expected to produce assists from (i.e. high xA = regularly gets into good positions to potentially assist from).

For context, Kane was widely considered by most non-Spurs fans (who didn't regularly watch full Spurs games) to contribute nothing beyond scoring goals, because his assist stats were low for years. The reality was that he created lots of chances that were wasted by teammates, plus was directly involved in the build-up for a large proportion of goals that he didn't score or assist. Then, when his teammates started being more clinical with their finishing, he won the 'Premier League Playmaker of the Season' award and everyone started raving about what an amazing all-round player he is.

 

[easley91]

Really grew to like him and such a shame he got that injury. Genuinely felt he offered more than others since his arrival. Yes his finishing is poor, but he took on players and caused problems for defences. As a wide man creating chances he is fine.

I wouldn't be opposed to signing him as a squad option. One of those players I am willing to do well because he's just such a nice guy and never deserved the treatment Chelsea fans gave him at the time he was there.

 

[Neon_Knight_]

I think even if we were quite sure on him we would be silly to commit straight away whilst there are uncertainties regarding players in other area's. I'm sure it would be of those we can string out a bit to make sure we have some of our other ducks in order first. It appears Timo would be happy to stay and we know Leipzig want him gone so it puts us in quite a strong position in that regard.

It would be unlike Levy to cough up the agreed 'option to buy' fee without trying to negotiate it down, even if Ange was decisive about wanting a permanent deal.

 

[McFlash]

I can’t remember being so torn about a player. Showed glimpses as a good pacey outlet but do worry even out wide his finishing is not great at best. Nooooo having him and exploiting that pace if he doesn’t take advantage.

I'm with you there, still undecided and with him now out, it looks like that'll be the way I remain.
I mean, I like him and what he offers and I don't want to fall into the trap of thinking that a new shiny thing will automatically be better but...

It's a hard decision because his price and his overall play are a big positive but they are counter-balanced by his wages and to be brutal, his woeful finishing.

 

[Cavehillspur]

Another loan would be good to be honest. See how Soloman does as well then. I would be looking for a centre forward and a wide attacker who can play either wing. Both need to be first team calibre. Then keep the better of Soloman or Werner beyond next season unless a prospect breaks through instead. Although we may shift Son by then so could still keep one for depth.

It's a loss for this season now but not long left anyway. I have to say I'll be happy to see Son on the left and Richarlison up top now though.

Totally forgot about Solomon, is he out for the season too?

 

[hop22]

I think, we should not sign hin. If we want to improve, we need better players.

 

[mil1lion]

Totally forgot about Solomon, is he out for the season too?

I believe so

 

[Yantino]

Not for me. Pass.

 

[RuskyM]

Honestly unsure how people could've watched his four months here and not been impressed by him, unless they were determined not to give him any credit from the start. He's been great.

 

[Ghost Hardware]

I'm with you there, still undecided and with him now out, it looks like that'll be the way I remain.
I mean, I like him and what he offers and I don't want to fall into the trap of thinking that a new shiny thing will automatically be better but...

It's a hard decision because his price and his overall play are a big positive but they are counter-balanced by his wages and to be brutal, his woeful finishing.

I think a lot of it comes down to how not getting him or getting would effect our other business in attacking areas. Problem is we have no idea who else we are targeting so its impossible to say I would rather get X or Y which we wouldn't be able to get if we buy Werner. Likewise its possible Werner's reasonably low fee might allow us a bigger spend on our other attacking targets. Plus we have no idea if he will accept a contract reduction, he is certainly not worth his current one and would have to accept a considerable reduction IMO. It also is a question as what happens with Solomon, do we keep him or not.

Without knowing all that I struggle to feel particularly attached ether way. For me Werner is a very solid back up/squad option but nothing more. I wouldn't like to go into next season with him being our starting LW and for that reason i'm sort of indifferent to wheather we sign him or not. I can undressed why we would and likewise why we wouldn't. Until we see the bigger picture in regards to the rest of our transfer business It's impossible to know for sure. Just have to put our trust in Ange and the scouting team who will have a much better idea of our overall squad building plans for the summer.

 

[ajspurs]

I think a lot of it comes down to how not getting him or getting would effect our other business in attacking areas. Problem is we have no idea who else we are targeting so its impossible to say I would rather get X or Y which we wouldn't be able to get if we buy Werner. Likewise its possible Werner's reasonably low fee might allow us a bigger spend on our other attacking targets. Plus we have no idea if he will accept a contract reduction, he is certainly not worth his current one and would have to accept a considerable reduction IMO. It also is a question as what happens with Solomon, do we keep him or not.

Without knowing all that I struggle to feel particularly attached ether way. For me Werner is a very solid back up/squad option but nothing more. I wouldn't like to go into next season with him being our starting LW and for that reason i'm sort of indifferent to wheather we sign him or not. I can undressed why we would and likewise why we wouldn't. Until we see the bigger picture in regards to the rest of our transfer business It's impossible to know for sure. Just have to put our trust in Ange and scouting team who will have a much better idea of our overall squad building plans for the summer.

I feel the same. It's not really a strong yes or no for me, it's more so how signing him or not signing him will impact our transfer business.

 

[muppetman]

I may well be wrong, but it feels like he has started pretty much every match he's been available for?

You'd have to think we would need to be very confident of bringing in better to not go for him.

 

[ultimateloner]

The stats are conclusive; he's a easy-buy for me at 17m. It would be a easier decision if we have European football next season.
His weakness is finishing which is fine; we can work around that as a squad, and also at this price point you shouldnt expect/demand the full package. We also have an elite finisher in Son, so while top finishing is always desirable it's something we can do without.
Its the same as all our recent recruits, be it Richy/Johnson/Kulu etc. They are all bad at certain things, and it's Ange's job to make it tick.