Player Watch - Tanguy Ndombele

[Spurs_Bear]

I said your line having a sad dig with "cult of tanguy" is bollocks. I wasn't calling the ITK bollocks. That was pretty clear so don't misrepresent what I said. You were the one quoting me when I responded to somebody talking about terminating his contract. There was plenty of ITK last year about his attitude and yet Jose regularly started and praised him for his attitude and evolution. That's a fact.

It's very clear I've had an argument, I've explained it numerous times, you're just poor at disputing it. My argument is and again It's a fact, he is training with the first team still so evidently he will not be playing for the u23's as you put.

To clarify, I did not intentionally infer that you said ITK was bollocks, that's been misunderstood, I was talking about how you started calling what I was saying as "bollocks". Think you need to lighten up a bit, Cult of Tanguy is in reference to the Cult of Bobby we had when Soldado was hear, which was equally embarrassing to be honest, although you wanted him to do well because he was an honest pro, Ndombele isn't.

 

[Spurs_Bear]

He also said this about Kane first and look who played against Wolves.
This quote says exactly what The Athletic. He isn’t currently playing because he would like to leave, then he will use him

Said what about Kane? Which of this did he say about Kane?

Nuno raised the issue of motivation when asked why the former Lyon man is not being selected.

"What happened in the past I can't even think about, I don't mention out of respect," he said.

"What I can tell you is that Tanguy is with us, he works but we have to speak honestly and to take the best out of Tanguy [it] has to come from himself.

"I don't want to go much further than that but it has to come from himself.

"We already had a chance to talk but it must come from himself. I said it before, my job here is not to convince players to play for Tottenham Hotspur, it is to prepare players to play for Tottenham Hotspur."

Nuno over the Athletic for me.

 

[Spurs_Bear]

I wouldn't say I'm confident, afterall, I don't know Nuno or Tanguy but for the amount of money involved, it doesn't make any sense to snub him.

I would've thought that he wanted to leave before pre-season had even started, which was why he was left out.
I don't think he wants to leave because he was left out.

He wouldn't be the first player to want to leave a club during a window, not get his move and be reintegrated.

You're right he wouldn't. But this is where it gets hazy.

"Ndombele also wants to exit this month, having been frozen out by Nuno."

That's from Sky Sports.

Chicken and Egg, which came first?

 

[wrd]

To clarify, I did not intentionally infer that you said ITK was bollocks, that's been misunderstood, I was talking about how you started calling what I was saying as "bollocks". Think you need to lighten up a bit, Cult of Tanguy is in reference to the Cult of Bobby we had when Soldado was hear, which was equally embarrassing to be honest, although you wanted him to do well because he was an honest pro, Ndombele isn't.

I could see how I possibly took a light hearted poke the wrong way so I'll take your advice mate so apologies if I took it the wrong way,

Look I'm not happy with this situation, I backed him as hard as any and to have this situation with him is frustrating as hell as it looked like he turned a corner under Jose and then the Mason situation happened and we're back to square one. The responsibility is with the player and if he leaves it will have been a huge waste of money and effort and the signing will be a failure.

I accept that but when people are suggesting termination of contracts and talk of playing with u23's if he doesn't get his move, I think that's overstating the situation hugely I just think we have a player who wants to leave, manager has said fine get a move and (this is conjecture on my part) I imagine he will reintegrate him if he can't get a move. Personally I think being forced to stay may work out but I know most will disagree and that's fine. I don't think he's in adebayor territory, adebayor tried to cause a mutiny in the dressing room to get the manager sacked. Tanguy is still turning up everyday for training, effort levels are debatable but we don't really know what's going on.

 

[McFlash]

You're right he wouldn't. But this is where it gets hazy.

"Ndombele also wants to exit this month, having been frozen out by Nuno."

That's from Sky Sports.

Chicken and Egg, which came first?

That's the issue, we don't really know but there have been rumours about Ndombele wanting out, pretty much since he first arrived.

I wouldn't mind getting rid of him but if he does stay, I'd rather he gets reintegrated than ignored.

I also don't want to get involved in questioning his character too much because as a sufferer of mental health problems myself, I can see reasons why things may be as they sometimes appear to be with him.

 

[AtoubaToothpaste]

He was also extremely productive for us last season, based on the stats. If you look at the kind of names linked in the press to take Ndombele, Bayern, the Spanish clubs, I think it shows that we'd be mad to move him on for a cut price deal.

In what way exactly?

 

[Spurs_Bear]

I could see how I possibly took a light hearted poke the wrong way so I'll take your advice mate so apologies if I took it the wrong way,

Look I'm not happy with this situation, I backed him as hard as any and to have this situation with him is frustrating as hell as it looked like he turned a corner under Jose and then the Mason situation happened and we're back to square one. The responsibility is with the player and if he leaves it will have been a huge waste of money and effort and the signing will be a failure.

I accept that but when people are suggesting termination of contracts and talk of playing with u23's if he doesn't get his move, I think that's overstating the situation hugely I just think we have a player who wants to leave, manager has said fine get a move and (this is conjecture on my part) I imagine he will reintegrate him if he can't get a move. Personally I think being forced to stay may work out but I know most will disagree and that's fine. I don't think he's in adebayor territory, adebayor tried to cause a mutiny in the dressing room to get the manager sacked. Tanguy is still turning up everyday for training, effort levels are debatable but we don't really know what's going on.

Pretty much cant disagree with any of that, glad we could get the conversation back on a level, being at opposite ends of the scale means it sometimes turns tasty very quickly.

I have to admit, having loved the thought of what we were getting with Tanguy, I fell out of love with him very quickly, the Bournemouth home game, few comments from Poch when he was getting narked by journos, Mourinho's comments (and trust me, I don't give that prick any credit for anything), and it did seem that he had become reinvigorated last season. I just cant look past the fact it's not only our own Head Coaches that have had issues, but Deschamps wants nothing to do with him either. For me, the bit about the reintegration with the team, it seems pretty clear Nuno only wants players that leave nothing on the field, I think even if we all disagree on a lot of things, we can all get on board with agreeing that Ndombele doesn't fit that mould.

 

[jrober38]

In what way exactly?

Jogging and pointing for where the ball should go rather than working to get open.

 

[CoopsieDeadpool]

Yeah but he was present in training at least. Reverse the scenarios and Kane would still play/TN still wouldn't, imo. And if that's the case, discipline isn't the one rule for all regime Nuno is often praised for.

I want both of the ****s gone, neither of them want to be at the club.

I'm not so sure Nuno is applying different rules, though.

Maybe he's just accepting one player in the squad/on the bench because he's proven to be an incredible weapon in the Premier League.

The other one has just proven to be an absolute weapon, full stop.

 

[wrd]

Pretty much cant disagree with any of that, glad we could get the conversation back on a level, being at opposite ends of the scale means it sometimes turns tasty very quickly.

I have to admit, having loved the thought of what we were getting with Tanguy, I fell out of love with him very quickly, the Bournemouth home game, few comments from Poch when he was getting narked by journos, Mourinho's comments (and trust me, I don't give that prick any credit for anything), and it did seem that he had become reinvigorated last season. I just cant look past the fact it's not only our own Head Coaches that have had issues, but Deschamps wants nothing to do with him either. For me, the bit about the reintegration with the team, it seems pretty clear Nuno only wants players that leave nothing on the field, I think even if we all disagree on a lot of things, we can all get on board with agreeing that Ndombele doesn't fit that mould.

Yeah, I think the thing that kept me going was that Poch said it would take a couple of seasons for him to adapt, which made me hopeful last season where yes he wasn't being what we'd hoped he'd be but that he was at the very minimum on a positive trajectory. However we're back at square one with talk of his attitude. The one thing I'll say with Deschamps is that he has an embarrassing amount of riches and possibly he was having to pick a squad which had balance because when I think about some of the defenders, wingers and midfielders that were left home by France only for Sissoko to make the squad, I just wonder whether that's down to balance rather down to his personal feelings towards Ndombele when he already has Pogba.

I definitely agree that Nuno clearly expects a certain level of commitment to the team and Ndombele so far has not met that standard. I'm just looking at from the perspective of "what's the best possible outcome we could hope for" if he's forced to stay and for me that would be that his friends move on so he has to deal with being here without them and with no other choice he's forced to train properly and almost lucks his way into the right mindset and finally becomes the player we hope he'll be. As I say that is me trying to be as hopeful as humanly possible with this situation, my concern if that did transpire would be how long would it last.

 

[CoopsieDeadpool]

It's the ITK thread and we had ITK this morning to say Ndombele doesn't care and we just cant get him motivated.

Nuno raised the issue of motivation when asked why the former Lyon man is not being selected.

"What happened in the past I can't even think about, I don't mention out of respect," he said.

"What I can tell you is that Tanguy is with us, he works but we have to speak honestly and to take the best out of Tanguy [it] has to come from himself.

"I don't want to go much further than that but it has to come from himself.

"We already had a chance to talk but it must come from himself. I said it before, my job here is not to convince players to play for Tottenham Hotspur, it is to prepare players to play for Tottenham Hotspur."

Sorry, but that isn't a coach saying he's not picking him because he wants to leave, he's not picking him because he's being a ****.

The ITK is literally taking you Cult of Tanguy to water but you are refusing to drink it.

The ITK isn't gospel, ITK last summer said he was leaving and this and that aswell and you got on your high horse then with similar bollocks to your last sentence and then guess what? He started the majority of games for Jose and was getting praised for his attitude. You're just going off on conjecture saying what you think the coach has said based on your biases and you somehow think that if he doesn't get sold we're just going to leave him with the reserves like we did Rose, despite the fact (the only fact in all this so far) that he's still training with the first team. If he leaves then he'll have been a failure but I'm absolutely adamant you will be wrong about him playing for the u23's and I'm adamant that talk of terminating his contract is stupid at best.

A lot of people seem very confident in this, but the timeline doesn't stack. Everything I can see says that Ndombele asked to leave the club this year after being left out of every pre season squad and game. So this bit about him only not being selected because he's looking for a move doesn't stack up. I genuinely hope we get rid before the window is out, otherwise we've got a massive problem on our hands.

I wouldn't say I'm confident, afterall, I don't know Nuno or Tanguy but for the amount of money involved, it doesn't make any sense to snub him.

I would've thought that he wanted to leave before pre-season had even started, which was why he was left out.
I don't think he wants to leave because he was left out.

He wouldn't be the first player to want to leave a club during a window, not get his move and be reintegrated.

The Athletic who literally broke this stories and would trust them more than dragon1 said he isn't playing because uncertainty around his future, if Ndombele stays he will fight for his place and that "Nuno is aware that Ndombele has skills, like making line-breaking passes, resisting the opposition press and progressing Spurs up the pitch in a way that none of his other midfielders can. "

It's funny how you revert to calling it all bollocks when clearly you have no argument. I don't know where talk has come from about terminating contracts, don't think I've mentioned it. I'm not sure about ITK from last year, I'll go back and check, not sure I remember anyone saying he was definitely leaving.

I'm going off quotes from Nuno, where are yours about reintegration? It's a pretty clear situation.

I said your line having a sad dig with "cult of tanguy" is bollocks. I wasn't calling the ITK bollocks. That was pretty clear so don't misrepresent what I said. You were the one quoting me when I responded to somebody talking about terminating his contract. There was plenty of ITK last year about his attitude and yet Jose regularly started and praised him for his attitude and evolution. That's a fact.

It's very clear I've had an argument, I've explained it numerous times, you're just poor at disputing it. My argument is and again It's a fact, he is training with the first team still so evidently he will not be playing for the u23's as you put.

But read Nuno's quotes, he's not saying anything along the same lines and I think I'd believe him over the Athletic wouldn't you?

He also said this about Kane first and look who played against Wolves.
This quote says exactly what The Athletic. He isn’t currently playing because he would like to leave, then he will use him

To clarify, I did not intentionally infer that you said ITK was bollocks, that's been misunderstood, I was talking about how you started calling what I was saying as "bollocks". Think you need to lighten up a bit, Cult of Tanguy is in reference to the Cult of Bobby we had when Soldado was hear, which was equally embarrassing to be honest, although you wanted him to do well because he was an honest pro, Ndombele isn't.

Said what about Kane? Which of this did he say about Kane?

Nuno raised the issue of motivation when asked why the former Lyon man is not being selected.

"What happened in the past I can't even think about, I don't mention out of respect," he said.

"What I can tell you is that Tanguy is with us, he works but we have to speak honestly and to take the best out of Tanguy [it] has to come from himself.

"I don't want to go much further than that but it has to come from himself.

"We already had a chance to talk but it must come from himself. I said it before, my job here is not to convince players to play for Tottenham Hotspur, it is to prepare players to play for Tottenham Hotspur."

Nuno over the Athletic for me.

You're right he wouldn't. But this is where it gets hazy.

"Ndombele also wants to exit this month, having been frozen out by Nuno."

That's from Sky Sports.

Chicken and Egg, which came first?

I could see how I possibly took a light hearted poke the wrong way so I'll take your advice mate so apologies if I took it the wrong way,

Look I'm not happy with this situation, I backed him as hard as any and to have this situation with him is frustrating as hell as it looked like he turned a corner under Jose and then the Mason situation happened and we're back to square one. The responsibility is with the player and if he leaves it will have been a huge waste of money and effort and the signing will be a failure.

I accept that but when people are suggesting termination of contracts and talk of playing with u23's if he doesn't get his move, I think that's overstating the situation hugely I just think we have a player who wants to leave, manager has said fine get a move and (this is conjecture on my part) I imagine he will reintegrate him if he can't get a move. Personally I think being forced to stay may work out but I know most will disagree and that's fine. I don't think he's in adebayor territory, adebayor tried to cause a mutiny in the dressing room to get the manager sacked. Tanguy is still turning up everyday for training, effort levels are debatable but we don't really know what's going on.

That's the issue, we don't really know but there have been rumours about Ndombele wanting out, pretty much since he first arrived.

I wouldn't mind getting rid of him but if he does stay, I'd rather he gets reintegrated than ignored.

I also don't want to get involved in questioning his character too much because as a sufferer of mental health problems myself, I can see reasons why things may be as they sometimes appear to be with him.

If this overpaid **** put in half as much effort as you guys have put into arguing about him, you wouldn't be fucking arguing about the ****.

 

[wrd]

If this overpaid **** put in half as much effort as you guys have put into arguing about him, you wouldn't be fucking arguing about the ****.

In fairness we did well to return to it being amicable, proving that yes, it is possible for people to turn things around, gwaan tanguy

 

[Kiedis]

In what way exactly?

Being just about our only midfielder able to pass the ball forwards to our attackers in a meaning ful way. Dunno if you care about stats, but check him out on fbref.com if you do.

 

[AtoubaToothpaste]

Being just about our only midfielder able to pass the ball forwards to our attackers in a meaning ful way. Dunno if you care about stats, but check him out on fbref.com if you do.

I care about *some* stats. And I'm not denying that he hasn't flashes of good things, but it's far from consistent. Our midfield for the last two seasons has been awful. It wasn't any better with him in it.

 

[CoopsieDeadpool]

In fairness we did well to return to it being amicable, proving that yes, it is possible for people to turn things around, gwaan tanguy

In fairness, that's because you all had the desire to turn things around.

Unfortunately, this lackadaisical, gutless **** of a player has no desire, or the willingness to even try to turn things around. Instead he prefers to cry because a couple of his buddies may be leaving, and his manager has the audacity to ask him to show desire to actually play.

Don't lower yourself into the same bracket as this ****. You're better than that.

 

[neogenisis]

In fairness, that's because you all had the desire to turn things around.

Unfortunately, this lackadaisical, gutless **** of a player has no desire, or the willingness to even try to turn things around. Instead he prefers to cry because a couple of his buddies may be leaving, and his manager has the audacity to ask him to show desire to actually play.

Don't lower yourself into the same bracket as this ****. You're better than that.

Tanguy is actually making my blood boil if these reports are true.
Mollie has been in and out of Hospital for the best part of 3 weeks now, having tests etc, I have been off for 3 weeks too as she needs her Daddy and so does her Mum and little Brother, I have used all the Holiday I can but 2 weeks has been unpaid leave. My employers have been absolutely amazing with us and I have never EVER received any kick back from the time I have taken off.
I go back to work on Saturday as we cant afford for me to be off unpaid anymore, I am physically tired and mentally exhausted right now, as is Mollies Mum and Mollie. I will go back on Saturday and I will as per usual give it my all, because that is who I am.
Then there is this bellend, who is picking up his £200k a week or whatever it is and moaning and bitching and crying. The difference being he can kick a football better than I can.
Get him out of the club, he is a spoilt little tit.

 

[McFlash]

Tanguy is actually making my blood boil if these reports are true.
Mollie has been in and out of Hospital for the best part of 3 weeks now, having tests etc, I have been off for 3 weeks too as she needs her Daddy and so does her Mum and little Brother, I have used all the Holiday I can but 2 weeks has been unpaid leave. My employers have been absolutely amazing with us and I have never EVER received any kick back from the time I have taken off.
I go back to work on Saturday as we cant afford for me to be off unpaid anymore, I am physically tired and mentally exhausted right now, as is Mollies Mum and Mollie. I will go back on Saturday and I will as per usual give it my all, because that is who I am.
Then there is this bellend, who is picking up his £200k a week or whatever it is and moaning and bitching and crying. The difference being he can kick a football better than I can.
Get him out of the club, he is a spoilt little tit.

Mate, sending you and your family so much love from all of us here at SC.
What the other guys did for Mollie was just amazing too. ??
(I don't know how to link threads but for those who've not seen, there's a thread in Chat that will bring tears to your eyes).

 

[Clive Wilson]

nearly put him in my most likeable Spurs XI yesterday

 

[CoopsieDeadpool]

Tanguy is actually making my blood boil if these reports are true.
Mollie has been in and out of Hospital for the best part of 3 weeks now, having tests etc, I have been off for 3 weeks too as she needs her Daddy and so does her Mum and little Brother, I have used all the Holiday I can but 2 weeks has been unpaid leave. My employers have been absolutely amazing with us and I have never EVER received any kick back from the time I have taken off.
I go back to work on Saturday as we cant afford for me to be off unpaid anymore, I am physically tired and mentally exhausted right now, as is Mollies Mum and Mollie. I will go back on Saturday and I will as per usual give it my all, because that is who I am.
Then there is this bellend, who is picking up his £200k a week or whatever it is and moaning and bitching and crying. The difference being he can kick a football better than I can.
Get him out of the club, he is a spoilt little tit.

This, ladies and gentlemen, is what a real man does. ???

 

[Trees]

This, ladies and gentlemen, is what a real man does. ???

Amen.