Player Watch - Tanguy Ndombele

[Goobers]

Would like to see Tanguy start on Thursday and get some minutes. He cannot have any kind of sharpness at all.

 

[kieranfitchett]

a spell of misplaced passes after a bright start... but the main thing is with those incomplete passes he was trying to go forward and break lines, getting tanguy some match fitness and sharpness should be a real priority in the games we have coming up

 

[TEESSIDE1]

Today was clear that without Lo Celso and Ndombele we have very little in central midfield. We need Ndombele when Lo Celso is out and vice versa. If we can get them both playing together as well (either in place of Moura or Alli who are both inconsistent) we could start playing again. It's very similar to missing Eriksen albeit a different area of the pitch but completely impacts the way we play without either of them. At least we have 2 players who could offer something in midfield but today was unfortunate that Lo Celso is injured and Ndombele not match fit enough. Hojbjerg and Winks are too similar in where they like to play, we need someone who can make those runs forward and progressive passes. We saw little glimpses of Ndombele looking for forward balls but we were very ragged by that point.

Given our lack of options I would have played Sissoko alongside Hojbjerg as we lacked physicality and speed in the middle. It’s one thing playing two slow players together but if they both blow away in the wind then you’re screwed. Look Moura today, he was almost clean through only for Doucoure to chase him down and time his tackle superbly. If that was the other way round they would have scored as Hojbjerg and Winks wouldn’t have got anywhere near the Everton forwards.

 

[mrlilywhite]

I must admit I was reasonably happy with Tanguy when he came on - For a guy who has had very limited match sharpness, been the subject of some criticism about his attitude and overall match fitness, he actually came on and actually wanted to make an impact, I felt. What I will say though, and it's echoed a lot from posters here is, the central midfield is never going to be the ideal place for him, as I can never see him working hard enough in that area of the field. Jose needs to eventually tell Dele that it's now or never, or at least give him something to fight for and get Tanguy firing in that position. Half of our squad's problems stem from complacency and are more & more often just going through the motions in games. They need competition to make them hungry again.

 

[mdharris]

I think it’s got to be a midfield triangle of

NDombele
PEH GLC

Dele offered so little today. Having TN further forward in Dele’s place limits us a bit to the risk of TN not defending well. GLC’s a grafter but has the talent to break lines. PEH I think will prove to be a good player - wasn’t great today admittedly but you see what he can offer. He was asked to press very high and also get back/ shield, he understandably tired in the second half.

 

[SushiMane]

I think it’s got to be a midfield triangle of

NDombele
PEH GLC

Dele offered so little today. Having TN further forward in Dele’s place limits us a bit to the risk of TN not defending well.

any idea when GLC will be back? end of the month?

 

[TEESSIDE1]

I must admit I was reasonably happy with Tanguy when he came on - For a guy who has had very limited match sharpness, been the subject of some criticism about his attitude and overall match fitness, he actually came on and actually wanted to make an impact, I felt. What I will say though, and it's echoed a lot from posters here is, the central midfield is never going to be the ideal place for him, as I can never see him working hard enough in that area of the field. Jose needs to eventually tell Dele that it's now or never, or at least give him something to fight for and get Tanguy firing in that position. Half of our squad's problems stem from complacency and are more & more often just going through the motions in games. They need competition to make them hungry again.

It’s tough to find an ideal position for Ndombele and he reminds me of Modric to an extent in that it took a season or 2 to find out his best position. I do however think Tanguy can play in a midfield 2 BUT not at Spurs. The reason for this is for Lyon he played alongside the more defensive Aouar, a bit like how Hojbjerg played with the more defensive Romeu. We have a habit of signing good players but either we don’t play a system that suits them and/or have the same type of player that they need to play with to flourish.

 

[wrd]

a spell of misplaced passes after a bright start... but the main thing is with those incomplete passes he was trying to go forward and break lines, getting tanguy some match fitness and sharpness should be a real priority in the games we have coming up

The fact we have so many games vs low quality opposition in the cups is a blessing for him imo. Great chance to get up to speed.

 

[Goobers]

I think it’s got to be a midfield triangle of

NDombele
PEH GLC

Dele offered so little today. Having TN further forward in Dele’s place limits us a bit to the risk of TN not defending well. GLC’s a grafter but has the talent to break lines. PEH I think will prove to be a good player - wasn’t great today admittedly but you see what he can offer. He was asked to press very high and also get back/ shield, he understandably tired in the second half.

I aosrt of agree but I think he is more dangerous from deeper as he is so good when playing at beating the press.

 

[cjsimba]

He simply has to start on Thursday. We need him starting games in the PL asap.

If he doesn’t start Thursday then we have no hope

 

[mrlilywhite]

It’s tough to find an ideal position for Ndombele and he reminds me of Modric to an extent in that it took a season or 2 to find out his best position. I do however think Tanguy can play in a midfield 2 BUT not at Spurs. The reason for this is for Lyon he played alongside the more defensive Aouar, a bit like how Hojbjerg played with the more defensive Romeu. We have a habit of signing good players but either we don’t play a system that suits them and/or have the same type of player that they need to play with to flourish.

You may be right, however, I feel it's the only possible position that is suitable for him right now, though that's not to say that he can't play a more central role in the future, though like you pointed out, PEH isn't a midfield destroyer, so that might create an issue for now?

 

[fuzzylogic]

Play him till he’s knackered then take him off (20 mins) ???

we need to try and get him fully fit and playing in the league ASAP. Needs to start on Thursday

 

[kieranfitchett]

It’s tough to find an ideal position for Ndombele and he reminds me of Modric to an extent in that it took a season or 2 to find out his best position. I do however think Tanguy can play in a midfield 2 BUT not at Spurs. The reason for this is for Lyon he played alongside the more defensive Aouar, a bit like how Hojbjerg played with the more defensive Romeu. We have a habit of signing good players but either we don’t play a system that suits them and/or have the same type of player that they need to play with to flourish.

his best stuff at lyon came alongside aouar but also tousart, who sat and allowed the others to play, hopefully we see PEH as someone who can drop behind and facilitate other midfielders (ideally TN and GLC) playing more expansively... whether or not PEH is that man remains to be seen and i'd rather we'd recruited more of a destroyer type (like Romeu etc) for the DM role

 

[HodisGawd]

It's the same performance every time with Ndom. He comes on, makes a turn and incisive pass which comes to nothing because the player on the end miscontrols. But you think YES, THIS IS THE TIME. He does it again YES, HE'S ON IT! But then... not much and then he starts to amble, and we don't turn the game around. He hasn't affected a game for a year. I want to believe, I really do. But I'm not into religion and I don't do blind faith.

 

[TEESSIDE1]

You may be right, however, I feel it's the only possible position that is suitable for him right now, though that's not to say that he can't play a more central role in the future, though like you pointed out, PEH isn't a midfield destroyer, so that might create an issue for now?

I wouldn’t play him in the middle either I just meant he can play there with a recognised athletic DM - something we don’t have.

For now and as you say he either needs to play instead of Alli or we need to sacrifice one of the wide players as let’s face it... it doesn’t matter if we play 3 or 4 attacking players, none of them get any service. Eg Sheff U and Palace games.

Subject to Sessegnon’s development and/or if we sign Reguilon? I would play wing backs with Ndombele and Son/Bergwijn off Kane. This would give us balance, more of a presence in midfield and a bigger presence in and around the box. We were superb when we had a prime Rose and Walker in a 352. We would also get the best out of Doherty as he certainly isn’t a RB.

............................... Lloris ..............................
..........Alderweireld.. Dier .. Sanchez..............
Doherty.... Lo Celso ..... Hojbjerg.... Reguilon/Sess
........................... Ndombele ...........................
..................... Kane ..... Son/Bergwijn .............

 

[emiley heskey]

He is an average player ...I watched him even at lyon and didn't think he is top class player .... Don't expect him turn out like KDB or Havertz even though he is earning more or less same than these players and we spent similar amount of transfer fees on him ...

 

[wrd]

It's the same performance every time with Ndom. He comes on, makes a turn and incisive pass which comes to nothing because the player on the end miscontrols. But you think YES, THIS IS THE TIME. He does it again YES, HE'S ON IT! But then... not much and then he starts to amble, and we don't turn the game around. He hasn't affected a game for a year. I want to believe, I really do. But I'm not into religion and I don't do blind faith.

Don't you think that could largely be down to the fact he hasn't had a run to find any sort of consistency?

 

[HodisGawd]

Don't you think that could largely be down to the fact he hasn't had a run to find any sort of consistency?

Maybe. But he has to break the cycle, and he isn't.

 

[Spurrific]

He is an average player ...I watched him even at lyon and didn't think he is top class player .... Don't expect him turn out like KDB or Havertz even though he is earning more or less same than these players and we spent similar amount of transfer fees on him ...

Oh, shut up pal. This shit troll act is getting boring.

 

[wrd]

Maybe. But he has to break the cycle, and he isn't.

He had 15 minutes, You expect him to break the cycle coming in for 15 minutes to a game where every single one of his teammates other than the goalkeeper have been utter shit? after only 45 minutes of pre-season, it's ridiculous.