Player Watch - Tanguy Ndombele

[wrd]

I completely understand the disappointment of his attitude this summer that it feels like he's shown a weak mentality and wants out so easily yet again and hasn't wanted to be involved in a fresh start under Nuno to the point where Nuno has decided, fine I'll not be picking you. I think it's fair to be critical of that.

What I don't understand really is the dismissal of what was the majority of last season to where he was clearly our 2nd best midfielder for the entire time under Jose. The dismissal of the strides he made in improving defensively in those games, the wiping of memory from all the goals which came from plays he started. Was he exactly what we hoped when we signed him? No but of course he wasn't, playing in the Jose system, Jose wanted him doing a different type of role, that's not to say that he couldn't have been better individually, I think yes he still wasn't outputting what we hoped from his abilities and there was a lot to improve on but to me it was clear he was on the right path. I remember a period where Jose would keep subbing him off with us in the lead (along with Son) and we'd go and fuck the game up time and time again, such was the testament to not only what he was doing on the pitch but also the inability of our other midfielders last season such as Winks.

I just feel like people are ignoring 80-90% of the season and are instead focusing on the portion of the season he was dropped by Mason, which for my money was a ridiculous call from Mason to not use Ndombele in that final in a game which was crying out for him, no way had Winks justified a spot, I remember at the time thinking okay well it's fine if we manage to keep it tight and then unleash ndombele near the 70th minute but it never happened and it was such a pathetic loss with a whimper because of the way Mason handled it. Winks proved himself poor in those remaining games aside from Leicester, I think Mason went with what he was familiar with but I'm getting away from the point. My point is I just don't see how people can completely dismiss Ndombele's performances last season especially relative to the majority of the rest of the team. I just feel in people's arguments they're just cutting them from memory as it better suits this argument about his attitude despite the fact he was praised for his attitude and application multiple times by Jose.

If he stays, I hope that the negativity in here is curtailed and the majority get behind on of our players because we should be behind all of our players once that deadline hits and the squad is the squad. Of course it works both ways and he has to show application for that to happen, I'm not suggesting blind loyalty but if the application is there, I hope it's accepted okay he wanted a move, if he knuckles down now we'll be behind him.

 

[crazyguitarman]

I completely understand the disappointment of his attitude this summer that it feels like he's shown a weak mentality and wants out so easily yet again and hasn't wanted to be involved in a fresh start under Nuno to the point where Nuno has decided, fine I'll not be picking you. I think it's fair to be critical of that.

What I don't understand really is the dismissal of what was the majority of our season to where he was clearly our 2nd best midfielder for the entire time under Jose. The dismissal of the strides he made in improving defensively in those games, the wiping of memory from all the goals which came from plays he started. Was he exactly what we hoped when we signed him? No but of course he wasn't playing in the Jose system, Jose wanted him doing a different type of role, that's not to say that he couldn't have been better individually, I think yes he still wasn't outputting what we hoped from his abilities and there was a lot to improve on but to me it was clear he was on the right path. I remember a period where Jose would keep subbing him off with us in the lead (along with Son) and we'd go and fuck the game up time and time again, such was the testament to not only what he was doing on the pitch but also the inability of our other midfielders last season such as Winks.

I just feel like people are ignored 80-90% of the season and are instead focusing on the portion of the season he was dropped by Mason, which for my money was a ridiculous call from Mason to not use Ndombele in that final in a game which was crying out for him, no way had Winks justified a spot, I remember at the time thinking okay well it's fine if we manage to keep it tight and then unleash ndombele near the 70th minute but it never happened and it was such a pathetic loss with a whimper because of the way Mason handled it. Winks proved himself poor in those remaining games aside from Leicester, I think Mason went with what he was familiar with but I'm getting away from the point. My point is I just don't see how people can completely dismiss Ndombele's performances last season especially relative to the majority of the rest of the team. I just feel in people's arguments they're just cutting them from memory as it better suits this argument about his attitude despite the fact he was praised for his attitude and application multiple times by Jose.

If he stays, I hope that the negativity in here is curtailed and the majority get behind on of our players because we should be behind all of our players once that deadline hits and the squad is the squad. Of course it works both ways and he has to show application for that to happen, I'm not suggesting blind loyalty but if the application is there, I hope it's accepted okay he wanted a move, if he knuckles down now we'll be behind him.

He looked better last season, for sure. What I can't understand though is his own dismissal of that. He's arguably got it made in this squad, in terms of playing time, wages, and the setup with the players around him. He was finally starting to settle. Then as soon as Mourinho left, his mentality took a nosedive, culminating in wanting to leave- after what? A couple of months of uncertainty?

I don't think we can afford to have that level of flip-flop inconsistency, every time the going gets slightly uncomfortable. If he gets his head screwed back on and shows application then I will be behind him 100%, I'm just struggling to see any evidence of that really. For 60m I would rather have Kessie.

 

[Danny1]

It’s pretty easy to look at this, Ndombele hasnt been a success due to his rather lethargic performances to date and the fact that last season took a turn for the worse when we had him and PEH paired together.

Now, we can all see the talent the boy has, however both Mou and now Nuno are reluctant to use him and/or make it effective when he does play.

If Ndombele can knuckle down, big IF, then he very well could play in that Dele role currently and would probably do a good job. It’s down to him to convince Nuno that he is deserving of a spot in the starting lineup.

 

[wrd]

He looked better last season, for sure. What I can't understand though is his own dismissal of that. He's arguably got it made in this squad, in terms of playing time, wages, and the setup with the players around him. He was finally starting to settle. Then as soon as Mourinho left, his mentality took a nosedive, culminating in wanting to leave- after what? A couple of months of uncertainty?

I don't think we can afford to have that level of flip-flop inconsistency, every time the going gets slightly uncomfortable. If he gets his head screwed back on and shows application then I will be behind him 100%, I'm just struggling to see any evidence of that really. For 60m I would rather have Kessie.

My understanding is that his head completely dropped after Mason dropped him completely from that final, I understand the disappointment but again he needs to show a stronger mentality, you want a player to shove it down the managers throat how bad a fuck up that call was, not want to leave because of it. I think most people would agree with me on that that we're disappointed with his mentality to that set back.

I think that I agree with you on the flip-flop consistency, I don't think you can build a team around that type of temperament over several seasons and he needs to work on his mental resilience to get that consistency. The point I was just trying to get across was that I don't agree with erasing the majority of last season from memory because it makes an argument stronger. That's the bit I take issue with, how can you (not you personally) give a fair critique when you completely dismiss that aspect?

If he's staying, I just hope the going round in circles in this thread ends, we draw a line under it and we focus on what he does this season. I think going back to your point about flip-flop consistency, that the club would probably like to see him smash it for a season and they'd cash in on that rather than risk it taking another negative turn.

However that's far in the distance so for me the focus is on, once the deadline closes, let's hope he applies himself and smashes it this season and stop salivating at the prospect of one of our players failing so we can stick the same boot we've stuck in several hundred times already.

 

[ralphs bald spot]

I don't think too many. Last season with Ndombele playing we weren't conceding a lot of goals.

that was largely because the tactics involved dropping deep and defending and though we may not have conceded many goals we tended to concede important goals that resulted in dropped points

 

[Pochie]

If he stays, I trust Nuno to sort out the best spot for him and to continue his fitness and reintegration. I will be fascinated to see how they work together.

 

[DiVaio]

football.london understands that Spurs have had interest coming in to them or Ndombele's agent from a couple of La Liga clubs in the French midfielder but neither approach satisfied both the player and the north London outfit.

 

[Guntz]

I think everyone knew we wouldn’t be able to shift him with those massive wages.

It’s in everyone’s interests for him to knuckle down now.

We’ll get a better player and he can open up more options for a move next year with good performances.

I just hope he doesn’t sit on his contract and give no effort in training.

 

[Aphex]

If he stays he will have to knuckle down or he will be wasting his career.

 

[ProfCalculus]

I completely understand the disappointment of his attitude this summer that it feels like he's shown a weak mentality and wants out so easily yet again and hasn't wanted to be involved in a fresh start under Nuno to the point where Nuno has decided, fine I'll not be picking you. I think it's fair to be critical of that.

What I don't understand really is the dismissal of what was the majority of last season to where he was clearly our 2nd best midfielder for the entire time under Jose. The dismissal of the strides he made in improving defensively in those games, the wiping of memory from all the goals which came from plays he started. Was he exactly what we hoped when we signed him? No but of course he wasn't, playing in the Jose system, Jose wanted him doing a different type of role, that's not to say that he couldn't have been better individually, I think yes he still wasn't outputting what we hoped from his abilities and there was a lot to improve on but to me it was clear he was on the right path. I remember a period where Jose would keep subbing him off with us in the lead (along with Son) and we'd go and fuck the game up time and time again, such was the testament to not only what he was doing on the pitch but also the inability of our other midfielders last season such as Winks.

I just feel like people are ignoring 80-90% of the season and are instead focusing on the portion of the season he was dropped by Mason, which for my money was a ridiculous call from Mason to not use Ndombele in that final in a game which was crying out for him, no way had Winks justified a spot, I remember at the time thinking okay well it's fine if we manage to keep it tight and then unleash ndombele near the 70th minute but it never happened and it was such a pathetic loss with a whimper because of the way Mason handled it. Winks proved himself poor in those remaining games aside from Leicester, I think Mason went with what he was familiar with but I'm getting away from the point. My point is I just don't see how people can completely dismiss Ndombele's performances last season especially relative to the majority of the rest of the team. I just feel in people's arguments they're just cutting them from memory as it better suits this argument about his attitude despite the fact he was praised for his attitude and application multiple times by Jose.

If he stays, I hope that the negativity in here is curtailed and the majority get behind on of our players because we should be behind all of our players once that deadline hits and the squad is the squad. Of course it works both ways and he has to show application for that to happen, I'm not suggesting blind loyalty but if the application is there, I hope it's accepted okay he wanted a move, if he knuckles down now we'll be behind him.

Agree with this. At this point pragmatically by a country mile our best option for success is to have him playing adding creativity to the solid base of skipp/Hojbjerg. And pick up someone to rotate for them. he’s contributed a lot more than LoCelso.

i am really pissed off with his attitude and understand why people have had enough including nuno. But massive revisionism and double standards re his performances last season. He contributes more in a couple of games than dele does over a season, yet every time he lopes a bit he is scrutinised and dragged over the coals, whereas dele plays out of position most of the game then gets everyone saying ‘he’s back’ whatever that’s supposed to mean when he makes a tackle. in the man city game where everyone said how hard he worked, in addition to covering ground and making a few tackles, I watched him on a couple of occasions literally look at the runner, check for a moment, then stop and guve up and walk off. I remember this happening when he was backing up reguilon. He just couldn’t be fucked/thought nkt really my thing. I’m not saying that characterised his performance but he is still doing it and the double standard compared to how much shit Ndombele would get for it is glaring.


Ndombele has been lazy and jogged about a bit definitely and been a liability in that sense, but he’s way better defensively in terms of tackles interceptions than people give him credit for, and the focus on him is his mistakes which then become magnified whereas with dele it’s on his extremely minimal contributions none of which come on the ball or in building our play. Suddenly that amazing goal and all the runs and passes Ndombele made are struck from memory.

if he didn’t contribute it wouldn’t be so annoying.

 

[spursville]

If he doesn't want to stay and fight for a place, let's try swapping him for van de Beek!

 

[CoopsieDeadpool]

Why would he suddenly start to work hard to get into a team that he's openly stated he doesn't want to be in?

He's pretty much wanted to leave since the minute he walked into the club.

Man I hate having a go at our players but it's fucking hard to give a shit about a player who doesn't give a shit.

 

[Univarn]

On the list of possible departures, Tanguy Ndombele will finally stay at Tottenham.

Much courted in this summer mercato, Tanguy Ndombele seemed towards the exit on the side of Tottenham. Many clubs in Europe have taken information to welcome him. Recently, Bayern Munich and Leipzig would have put a nose to know the terms of a possible operation. But according to our information, there will be no departure for Tanguy Ndombele. Even if there is still time until Tuesday evening, closing of the mercato, the Frenchman will stay at Tottenham.

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[doctor stefan Freud]

Bollocks- another pointless season of hoping he comes good

 

[easley91]

I hope with him staying Nuno can integrate him into the squad for after the international break. The lad has talent, if he can get his head down and work for the team he'll be an added plus.

 

[bbunc]

I think he’s probably correct here, but Mr. Bernard was the guy who tweeted that Sarr was off about 20 minutes before the club announced it last week.

 

[THOWIG]

He may just be the best midfield option out there. An equivalent player, talent wise, is not in our price bracket it seems.

 

[JayB]

Let's hope Nuno will be able to reach him. The talent is there, he just needs to get the mental part right. He's at risk of wasting his career if he doesn't knuckle down so let's hope he finds the motivation.

 

[Univarn]

I think he’s probably correct here, but Mr. Bernard was the guy who tweeted that Sarr was off about 20 minutes before the club announced it last week.

His tweet said personal terms hadn't been finalized yet which Sport Witness took to mean there had been an issue with the contract we offered which the aggregators picked up the Sport Witness translation/interpretation rather than the original tweet and that's what got shared around.

 

[Spursmatty87]

I’m guessing he’s not in the french squad? If not hopefully he can spend the next couple of weeks getting on board with Nuno. It is what it is, I can’t be bothered with all the stuff around his but if he wants a move the only way that happens is if he gets his head down and works to be the best.