stevespurs
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Are your first two good looking?
Player Watch Player Watch: Son Heung-min
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Gassin's finest
C'est diabolique
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Ah well, at least you've got two others.
Ron Burgundy
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I don't feel we create many chance, and that sort of backs it up.
Also, balking at £25m for either Maddison or Grealish is particularly galling
Also, balking at £25m for either Maddison or Grealish is particularly galling
Timberwolf
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Sometimes I wish there was a 'sad face' rating.
Surprisingly, after looking at those stats, Son has 9 assists this season and Maddison has 5
Timberwolf
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While it's depressing that Son who is ostensibly more of a finisher is our number 1 creator, getting 9 assists in only 21 league games is really bloody impressive. Hope he can keep that up.
You'd also hope that a fit Lo Celso and Ndombele would pitch in some decent creative numbers were they to play a good number of games.
You'd also hope that a fit Lo Celso and Ndombele would pitch in some decent creative numbers were they to play a good number of games.
mpickard2087
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That is going to be overwhelmingly due to what you are doing as a whole team, rather than hanging your hat on an individual player or two to change it around.
HildoSpur
Likes Erik Lamela, deal with it.
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I know it's really not cool to do this but when you read the first 20 pages of so of this thread you can find a few howlers! £22 million for Son is one of the best buys I think we have made as a club in many years.
JUSTINSIGNAL
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Poch didn't want Maddison and Aston Villa held on with selling Grealish as they knew a takeover was happening.
spursfan77
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Maddison’s output is actually quite poor. There’s a reason Southgate doesn’t pick him for England.
HildoSpur
Likes Erik Lamela, deal with it.
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Yeah I don't think he is all that personally. Decent but nothing more than that. Grealish is more talented but I'm still not convinced he is all that either.
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TimNiceButDim
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Totally agree. They both seem to have an attitude problem as well and I’d imagine they’re a pain in the arse to manage.
ClintEastwould
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You can’t really compare Dele to them though. Maddison and Grealish are effectively the same player with minute differences. Playmakers. Pure no 10s. Dele is a second striker.
dtxspurs
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They all effectively play in the #10 role just in different ways. It really isn't that much of a stretch to compare them.
danielneeds
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I’d take Grealish over Dele all day long. Moot now as he’s out of our price range, but he’s got so much more to his game.
BringBack_leGin
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In Dele’s apparently shit season he has played 5 and 6 games fewer than Grealish and Maddison respectively, with 8 goals compared to Grealish on 7 and Maddison on 6, as well as 4 assists compared to Grealish on 6 and Maddison on 3. He’s also created 6 big chances compared to Grealish’s 6 and Maddison’s 7.
Averaging out Dele’s output in these areas, he’s by far the biggest attacking threat both as a goalscorer and as a creator. You could mitigate that by arguing that Grealish has achieved his stats with a worse performing side, but then you have to account for the fact that basically every attack goes through Grealish at Villa, as is also the case for Maddison at Leicester. Additionally, Dele competes with many more attack minded players at Spurs to get amongst these stats than either Maddison or Grealish do.
We focus on Dele’s frustrating qualities but I’d guess that we’d be frustrated plenty by either of the other two as well. Ultimately if he’s having a bad season, it’s only bad by his own standards and by any other measure he’s actually a highly productive player contributing significantly to anything good we do.
Averaging out Dele’s output in these areas, he’s by far the biggest attacking threat both as a goalscorer and as a creator. You could mitigate that by arguing that Grealish has achieved his stats with a worse performing side, but then you have to account for the fact that basically every attack goes through Grealish at Villa, as is also the case for Maddison at Leicester. Additionally, Dele competes with many more attack minded players at Spurs to get amongst these stats than either Maddison or Grealish do.
We focus on Dele’s frustrating qualities but I’d guess that we’d be frustrated plenty by either of the other two as well. Ultimately if he’s having a bad season, it’s only bad by his own standards and by any other measure he’s actually a highly productive player contributing significantly to anything good we do.
danielneeds
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They play different roles in different teams so it’s kinda pointless to compare the stats. Grealish has a burst of pace, is a better dribbler, better long range shot, wider range of passing, and more leadership on the pitch. Probably better with his weaker foot as Dele hardly ever uses his left at all.
Dele’s defo a better finisher and stronger in the air, but that’s about it for me.
ClintEastwould
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Missed my entire point and just reiterated the original one
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