Player Watch Player Watch: Giovani Lo Celso

[rossdapep]

Pretty ridiculous policy that if you're vaccinated you have to quarantine regardless of a negative test or not. Seems super over-complicated.

Especially when last year players were travelling all over the place with no vaccine and only testing. No quarantines

 

[rossdapep]

Just need to get him in the hole. When I saw him and Dybala for Argentina, they were linking up so so well and were close to each other so they could link up. Kane and him could do that, then you could just have Son, Lucas/Bergwijn and the FBs making runs off them.

 

[GutBucket]

Nuno on criticism, Lo Celso's best position and Ben Davies' painful problem

The Tottenham Hotspur boss has been speaking ahead of the Premier League match against Aston Villa on Sunday afternoon

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"In terms of his position of Giovani, he is a versatile player, very versatile," he said. "Just take a look at his career, not too many years ago he was playing as a six at PSG, then moved to Betis and played higher up the pitch.

"It is always to do with the shape of the team, but I think Gio is a very talented and versatile player that can play in different positions in front."

He is versatile but wasted on right wing, just play him centrally. Also might need to push Kane further forward.

 

[chrissivad]

Nuno on criticism, Lo Celso's best position and Ben Davies' painful problem

The Tottenham Hotspur boss has been speaking ahead of the Premier League match against Aston Villa on Sunday afternoon

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He is versatile but wasted on right wing, just play him centrally. Also might need to push Kane further forward.

I don't think Kane was dropping into that position when LoCelso was there. He did still drop back, but out to the left.

If we can get the ball forward quicker (like Lo Celso was doing) then he might stay higher up.

 

[Gareth88]

Maybe because he is a lefty and it seems to stand out a little more to me but he looks to have 0 ability with his right foot

 

[DJS]

I’d like to see him tried on left of a midfield three, with Skipp in middle and PEH on right of the three.

Nice and solid plus Lo Celso is then a more creative option suited for the system and PEH can do some good stuff too.

Just a shame we didn’t get someone a bit more dynamic for the right wing as well for the 4-3-3 as Moura is so inconstant plus comes up short in quite a lot of games - unless Gil can play inverted as effectively or Son okay switching to that side allowing Gil to play natural side.

Also having Skipp and PEH in midfield as more grafters we can play Romero behind them who likes to push up every now and then. Nice and flexible.

 

[wiggo24]

Difficult to build momentum with the constant international breaks but on current form he should be ahead of Ndombele as the #10.

Not a coincidence that we looked far more in control of possession, and had much more intensity in the final third, as soon as GLC came on.

 

[Ghost Hardware]

Difficult to build momentum with the constant international breaks but on current form he should be ahead of Ndombele as the #10.

Not a coincidence that we looked far more in control of possession, and had much more intensity in the final third, as soon as GLC came on.

I agree, should be starting over Ndombele imo.

 

[punkisback]

I agree, should be starting over Ndombele imo.

I mean can we not have both? Play technicians with technicians and you will see the passing click.

 

[wiggo24]

I mean can we not have both? Play technicians with technicians and you will see the passing click.

I think in a perfect world with a functional system and an actually fit and firing Ndombele there's no reason it can't be Ndombele in the 2 in midfield with GLC ahead.

Issue at the moment though is that we suffer defensively when Ndombele plays as one of 2 midfielders and as a result if you want to play them together then GLC gets ushered wide, which doesn't suit him at all.

 

[bubble07]

Also has a turn of pace. He certainly isn't slow

 

[Ghost Hardware]

I mean can we not have both? Play technicians with technicians and you will see the passing click.

I agree, but I feel our team under Nuno atm are too fragile to play them both. Long term that should ? be the goal tho.

 

[JayB]

I agree, but I feel our team under Nuno atm are too fragile to play them both. Long term that should ? be the goal tho.

I'm doubtful it would work. We've been overrun every time we've played a CM3 with those two as No. 8s, which is surely the reason that three managers now (four if you count Mason) have largely shied away from that particular selection.

We'd need a No. 6 such as Kante who does the running of multiple players in order to make it work, and I just don't see us splashing out the cash for a player such as that with Skipp and Hojbjerg already in the squad and other more important needs to be addressed.

IMO it's more likely that we'll stick with 4-2-3-1 and if Ndombele doesn't adapt to playing higher up the pitch we'll need to move him on,.

 

[whenstevewentup]

His shooting most of the time is pathetic , the miss after the back heel by Kane was incredible cos it wasn’t even on target and had zero conviction. Yes he scored a nice goal against Mura but a no.10 needs to be chipping in with 8-10 goals a season and this fella isn’t likely to get you that . If he cost £10m from Watford you would happily write the money off and give him away .

 

[Nick-TopSpursMan]

His shooting most of the time is pathetic , the miss after the back heel by Kane was incredible cos it wasn’t even on target and had zero conviction. Yes he scored a nice goal against Mura but a no.10 needs to be chipping in with 8-10 goals a season and this fella isn’t likely to get you that . If he cost £10m from Watford you would happily write the money off and give him away .

Pretty sure he tried to cut it back towards Kane for a tap in. Should have just laced it.

There is a very good player in there, he just needs a run of games in his actual position at number 10. He's hardly got to play there for us. Scored 9 league goals (16 overall) for Betis in 18/19 before he signed for us.

 

[BringBack_leGin]

Pretty sure he tried to cut it back towards Kane for a tap in. Should have just laced it.

There is a very good player in there, he just needs a run of games in his actual position at number 10. He's hardly got to play there for us. Scored 9 league goals (16 overall) for Betis in 18/19 before he signed for us.

I agree there’sa very good player in there. I’m also curious to see him at number 10 as we seen better with a 4231 and one more faith on him than either of Ndombele or Dele. However, in his 33 league matches for Betis, one 13 of them were at 10 - or - of his 27 starts, 12 were at 10. While he clearly had some success in the role, that was also in a team where he was far and away the star player. There’s no other sample size in his career which suggests he could play at 10, and even that sample size is far more playing in midfield than in attack.

He may well develop into a great number 10, but at this stage he’s very much a central midfielder who isn’t quite fitting there so we’re baying for him to have a go at 10. Much like Ndombele there as yet no evidence that he has the output required to play in that part of the pitch. It’s not just about skills, it’s about decision making and instincts: that situation v Villa would suggest he is lacking in this area.

Right now I’d pay him at 10 to see if he can step up to it, but only because he seems the best bet and we seem to operate better with that formation. If by some miracle in January someone came in for all of Dele, Lo Celso and Ndombele, and there fees were such that we could invest in a Premiership experience CM to compete with Skipp/ Højbjerg, a right winger/ forward to compete with Lucas, and a proven number 10 with Gil as main understudy across those positions, then I think we’d be left in better shape.

If by then Lo Celso has made the position his own my thoughts change.

 

[smallsnc]

I mean can we not have both? Play technicians with technicians and you will see the passing click.

The passing may click, but I think we will get run over in the modfield.

 

[Gassin's finest]

The lads an 8, not a 10. But I still pick him ahead of Tanguy in either.

 

[fishhhandaricecake]

The lads an 8, not a 10. But I still pick him ahead of Tanguy in either.

Completely agree.

 

[dtxspurs]

I'm doubtful it would work. We've been overrun every time we've played a CM3 with those two as No. 8s, which is surely the reason that three managers now (four if you count Mason) have largely shied away from that particular selection.

We'd need a No. 6 such as Kante who does the running of multiple players in order to make it work, and I just don't see us splashing out the cash for a player such as that with Skipp and Hojbjerg already in the squad and other more important needs to be addressed.

IMO it's more likely that we'll stick with 4-2-3-1 and if Ndombele doesn't adapt to playing higher up the pitch we'll need to move him on,.

I agree at this point I doubt it would work. But I'm not sure if we've ever actually tried it. I think Mourinho might have tried it once for a half but we had the bullshit tactics where our defenders all put their heels on the 18 yard box.