Next DoF

[Albertbarich]

Few points about Paratici.

Gollini at the time was spoken about as being seen as lloris' successor and whilst financially it was no great loss he was utterly atrocious. Awful player.

Gil so far has been such a waste of money that last season he played for the club we gave 20 odd million to, aswell as Eric Lamela who we also gave them. He might come good, might but so far he looks miles off and I suspect had he been fit he would have been another one on loan.

Spence another disaster. Conte didn't want him, neither does Ange and he is now on his second loan.

Richarlison was totally non effective last season and despite starting as first choice hasn't looked any better this. That's sixty million quid. Although I suspect he wasn't a Paratici pick, I'll expand on that in a sec.

Lenglet another waste of space, as was Danjuma.

If you take away the Juve deals of which I include Romero his major success has been Udogie who looks an absolute steal. And that again brings me back to the Richarlison. Both of them came from the Pozzo group which is also where our chief scout comes from so he has clearly played a huge role on both with his inside track.

He has a mixed record at best and that's with the ability to take advantage of the chaos at Juventus, plus he is banned from football.

 

[JacoZA]

Few points about Paratici.

Gollini at the time was spoken about as being seen as lloris' successor and whilst financially it was no great loss he was utterly atrocious. Awful player.

Gil so far has been such a waste of money that last season he played for the club we gave 20 odd million to, aswell as Eric Lamela who we also gave them. He might come good, might but so far he looks miles off and I suspect had he been fit he would have been another one on loan.

Spence another disaster. Conte didn't want him, neither does Ange and he is now on his second loan.

Richarlison was totally non effective last season and despite starting as first choice hasn't looked any better this. That's sixty million quid. Although I suspect he wasn't a Paratici pick, I'll expand on that in a sec.

Lenglet another waste of space, as was Danjuma.

If you take away the Juve deals of which I include Romero his major success has been Udogie who looks an absolute steal. And that again brings me back to the Richarlison. Both of them came from the Pozzo group which is also where our chief scout comes from so he has clearly played a huge role on both with his inside track.

He has a mixed record at best and that's with the ability to take advantage of the chaos at Juventus, plus he is banned from football.

You raise valid points, but I think you're being a bit harsh. Sarr, Royal, Porro, Perisic, and Bissouma have also joined during this period. (Of course, I don't know how much Fab has been involved in every deal/pick, which is why I considered all incomings during his tenure - so that part is open to interpretation.)

 

[Albertbarich]

You raise valid points, but I think you're being a bit harsh. Sarr, Royal, Porro, Perisic, and Bissouma have also joined during this period. (Of course, I don't know how much Fab has been involved in every deal/pick, which is why I considered all incomings during his tenure - so that part is open to interpretation.)

To be honest my overall point is he has a team of scouts who likely pick and others were chosen by managers, I just don't think he is all that important. He's banned anyway not sure why folks want to defend him so much.

I hope the chief scout whose name I always mess up gets promoted. Sounds like he does deserve it.

 

[rabbikeane]

TeamTalk article claim that Postecoglou has asked for Jordi Cruyff ..

Postecoglou orders Tottenham to complete signing of Barcelona man, with big pitch needed

Tottenham boss Ange Postecoglou has urged the club to bring in someone with extensive knowledge of Barcelona, according to a report.

www.teamtalk.com

Not sure how believable.

 

[JacoZA]

To be honest my overall point is he has a team of scouts who likely pick and others were chosen by managers, I just don't think he is all that important. He's banned anyway not sure why folks want to defend him so much.

I hope the chief scout whose name I always mess up gets promoted. Sounds like he does deserve it.

Oh, 100% - he's definitely not working alone. Also, I don't think his job only entails finding targets. I'd imagine he's very much involved in the deals as well. Isn't he responsible in part for building our current recruitment team or a big part of it? Any way. As far as I understand, he's very much still working for us though - and his ban is not as restrictive as originally thought.

As for defending him, I can't speak for anyone else, but I'm not. I'm just highlighting that our recruitment has been really good during his time at the club. Like I said, I don't know how much of that is down to him, but if he played a key part in that I do hope he will continue to do so, reporting to whoever the new DoF ends up being.

 

[danielneeds]

TeamTalk article claim that Postecoglou has asked for Jordi Cruyff ..

Postecoglou orders Tottenham to complete signing of Barcelona man, with big pitch needed

Tottenham boss Ange Postecoglou has urged the club to bring in someone with extensive knowledge of Barcelona, according to a report.

www.teamtalk.com

Not sure how believable.

This would be bad. Let’s hope we can file it next to the “Lenglet to sign for Spurs” articles from the Catalan press.

 

[bceej]

This would be bad. Let’s hope we can file it next to the “Lenglet to sign for Spurs” articles from the Catalan press.

Why? Seemed like he did a good job while he was at Barcelona and was well respected. Does seem to want to return to coaching though.

 

[eddiev14]

Just had a look at our incomings since Fab joined, and the only permanent transfer we've made that I would consider bad business is Spence. IMO the verdict is still out on Richarlison and Gil. Gollini, Danjuma, and Lenglet were loans, of varying success, but no major cost.

That's a really high success rate, I think.

I agree he’s done a good job, but it feels like the verdict is very much in on Gil. Both Conte and Ange don’t rate him and he looks like a massive waste at £25m + Erik Lamela

 

[Albertbarich]

Few points about Paratici.

Gollini at the time was spoken about as being seen as lloris' successor and whilst financially it was no great loss he was utterly atrocious. Awful player.

Gil so far has been such a waste of money that last season he played for the club we gave 20 odd million to, aswell as Eric Lamela who we also gave them. He might come good, might but so far he looks miles off and I suspect had he been fit he would have been another one on loan.

Spence another disaster. Conte didn't want him, neither does Ange and he is now on his second loan.

Richarlison was totally non effective last season and despite starting as first choice hasn't looked any better this. That's sixty million quid. Although I suspect he wasn't a Paratici pick, I'll expand on that in a sec.

Lenglet another waste of space, as was Danjuma.

If you take away the Juve deals of which I include Romero his major success has been Udogie who looks an absolute steal. And that again brings me back to the Richarlison. Both of them came from the Pozzo group which is also where our chief scout comes from so he has clearly played a huge role on both with his inside track.

He has a mixed record at best and that's with the ability to take advantage of the chaos at Juventus, plus he is banned from football.

Have I upset the fabio paratici fanclub here ?

The votes..He's a crook!

 

[JacoZA]

I agree he’s done a good job, but it feels like the verdict is very much in on Gil. Both Conte and Ange don’t rate him and he looks like a massive waste at £25m + Erik Lamela

How do you know Ange doesn’t rate him? The kid got injured and then had surgery. I don’t think he’s spent even two weeks training under Ange.

 

[McFlash]

Have I upset the fabio paratici fanclub here ?

The votes..He's a crook!

No mate, you've just completely ignored all the good things he's done and added a load of supposition, all to fit the weird agenda you seem to have against the bloke.

You're pinning things on him that were more than likely down to Levy - Spence, Danjuma and Lenglet - adding your bias against Richy and all the while ignoring the many good signings he made, along with the downright fantastic work he's done with restructuring the academy side of things.
Not to mention bringing in Gab.

I get that you don't like the bloke but mate, take the blinkers off.

 

[ClonedFromSandrosBeard]

Apparently the success we're seeing in the U23s and U18s is partly on Paratici's involvement so maybe some good work there?

Signings have been underwhelming and if we're talking DoF then there's not been a consistent vision through the last 3 years and our recent success (by which I mean 3 wins and a draw with good looking football, just so we have some perspective here...) doesn't really make up for the shambles that came before it imo.

 

[ButchCassidy]

Signings have been underwhelming

Romero
Sarr
Bentancur
Kulusevski
Bissouma
Udogie
Porro
Vicario
Van de Ven
Maddison

In two and a half years, almost a full starting XI of very good players. If that’s underwhelming what on earth are you expecting

 

[spursfan77]

From big Ange’s words he wants a right hand man in to find the players he wants from the parameters he gives him so he doesn’t have to do that work. That person has to think along similar lines to him. Obviously the DOF role is bigger than just recruitment and doing that, but from that perspective, that’s what Ange wants.

I’m assuming Munn was the one who suggested Ange, so I suspect it will be a man who they both know pretty well rather than any big name.

 

[Albertbarich]

No mate, you've just completely ignored all the good things he's done and added a load of supposition, all to fit the weird agenda you seem to have against the bloke.

You're pinning things on him that were more than likely down to Levy - Spence, Danjuma and Lenglet - adding your bias against Richy and all the while ignoring the many good signings he made, along with the downright fantastic work he's done with restructuring the academy side of things.
Not to mention bringing in Gab.

I get that you don't like the bloke but mate, take the blinkers off.

It's not that I don't like him but I think this illustrates my point.

He brought loads of people In. His second in command has already gone, to a championship side at that. Perkins buggered off to the scum as he wasn't happy with his role too. So yeah he restructured the back office but that was literally his job and Gab aside who looks like his doing good work none of you have any idea if the people are good (me too) but we do know that within months of him doing it , two have gone already.

I genuinely have no feelings about him either way, I just found the defences of him odd. All these disagrees and ratings for calling him a crook? He's banned! I didn't make that up or as some have decided that because he worked for us he was harshly treated. No he is banned so I fully stand by calling him because you can bet your life that if he worked for anyone else and they continued the association you lot would be calling him and that club worse.

As for signings. Take out the Juve lot which probably makes his appointment worth it alone and it is a hugely mixed bag, but going forward he doesn't have that juve cheat/tactic to use and by the way , he's banned.

And I'm sorry we don't need a fancy DOF from the continent to tell us that top Premier league players coming to the end of their deals. And as good as Biss now is , he brought him for a manager that didn't want him, as good as Porro is he brought him for a manager who leaving..

Yes good stuff has happened Sarr and Udogie stand out for me.

To summarise he has done some good, some bad but he got himself tangled up in some dodgy stuff and now he can't legally do his job so I was bemused at the defences of him henppce my posts.

But he isn't the manager I hold no emotional connection to him either good or bad, just the same as a Franco Baldini who I genuinely wouldn't know if he walked past me on the street.

 

[DJS]

Few points about Paratici.

Gollini at the time was spoken about as being seen as lloris' successor and whilst financially it was no great loss he was utterly atrocious. Awful player.

Gil so far has been such a waste of money that last season he played for the club we gave 20 odd million to, aswell as Eric Lamela who we also gave them. He might come good, might but so far he looks miles off and I suspect had he been fit he would have been another one on loan.

Spence another disaster. Conte didn't want him, neither does Ange and he is now on his second loan.

Richarlison was totally non effective last season and despite starting as first choice hasn't looked any better this. That's sixty million quid. Although I suspect he wasn't a Paratici pick, I'll expand on that in a sec.

Lenglet another waste of space, as was Danjuma.

If you take away the Juve deals of which I include Romero his major success has been Udogie who looks an absolute steal. And that again brings me back to the Richarlison. Both of them came from the Pozzo group which is also where our chief scout comes from so he has clearly played a huge role on both with his inside track.

He has a mixed record at best and that's with the ability to take advantage of the chaos at Juventus, plus he is banned from football.

Spence was Levy not Paraciti.

Danjuma was not a waste of space but was poorly used by Conte.

Richarlison was a proven premier league attacker for Everton and had his moments last season. There’s definitely a player in there and it’s more a confidence than ability thing with him I reckon.

Gil hasn’t really been given a chance on his preferred left side as a traditional winger, rather than an inverted one and again Conte didn’t really use him.

Lenglet was a stop-gap as we needed particular cover for left centre back of a back three.

Our recruitment greatly improved under Paraciti compared to the few years before - aside from the jiventus lads Sarr, Udogwie, Bissouma and Romero are all vital members of the first eleven so far this season.

 

[dontcallme]

It's not that I don't like him but I think this illustrates my point.

He brought loads of people In. His second in command has already gone, to a championship side at that. Perkins buggered off to the scum as he wasn't happy with his role too. So yeah he restructured the back office but that was literally his job and Gab aside who looks like his doing good work none of you have any idea if the people are good (me too) but we do know that within months of him doing it , two have gone already.

I genuinely have no feelings about him either way, I just found the defences of him odd. All these disagrees and ratings for calling him a crook? He's banned! I didn't make that up or as some have decided that because he worked for us he was harshly treated. No he is banned so I fully stand by calling him because you can bet your life that if he worked for anyone else and they continued the association you lot would be calling him and that club worse.

As for signings. Take out the Juve lot which probably makes his appointment worth it alone and it is a hugely mixed bag, but going forward he doesn't have that juve cheat/tactic to use and by the way , he's banned.

And I'm sorry we don't need a fancy DOF from the continent to tell us that top Premier league players coming to the end of their deals. And as good as Biss now is , he brought him for a manager that didn't want him, as good as Porro is he brought him for a manager who leaving..

Yes good stuff has happened Sarr and Udogie stand out for me.

To summarise he has done some good, some bad but he got himself tangled up in some dodgy stuff and now he can't legally do his job so I was bemused at the defences of him henppce my posts.

But he isn't the manager I hold no emotional connection to him either good or bad, just the same as a Franco Baldini who I genuinely wouldn't know if he walked past me on the street.

You got 14 disagrees on a post pointing out all his bad signings. The good ones certainly outweighed the bad, so I think that's a strange thing to criticise him for.

I'm sure that's what the disagrees are for, not people defending his character.

 

[Albertbarich]

Spence was Levy not Paraciti.

Danjuma was not a waste of space but was poorly used by Conte.

Richarlison was a proven premier league attacker for Everton and had his moments last season. There’s definitely a player in there and it’s more a confidence than ability thing with him I reckon.

Gil hasn’t really been given a chance on his preferred left side as a traditional winger, rather than an inverted one and again Conte didn’t really use him.

Lenglet was a stop-gap as we needed particular cover for left centre back of a back three.

Our recruitment greatly improved under Paraciti compared to the few years before.

I don't really wanna play a game of who did this or that. My only point about Gab being responsible for Udogie was that he came from the group that own Udinese but in truth we don't know who was responsible for who when it comes to maybe Perisic who was 100% Conte.

And yeah it's improved but if it didn't after Hitchen and the stadium building restriction I'd be worried. I think it would have improved under pretty much any semi competent dof we got as it was atrocious.

 

[Yantino]

If you don’t think Paratici has done a good job then I suggest you keep taking the meds.

No one is going to get every single signing right. There is an element of risk with all signings. Some work out, some don’t.

The list of players signed (already listed out in this thread) should really speak for itself.

More proof that this forum can even argue about good things.

 

[Albertbarich]

You got 14 disagrees on a post pointing out all his bad signings. The good ones certainly outweighed the bad, so I think that's a strange thing to criticise him for.

I'm sure that's what the disagrees are for, not people defending his character.

Forget the ratings for a second. Am I wrong in that we have made bad signings under him?

He was here a short time and I don't think I'm being hyperbolic in saying it's been a mixed bag.